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Wait, are the chronicles games are included in this too? If so, that's such a hard decision. :)
And my reasoning behind why 2 is better (IMO) is that I'm not a fan of time limits (or dungeon limits, in 1's case), and even though I think the first game had a much better story line, I enjoyed the combat of the second more.
And CotP is sitting on my to-do list pile o' games so I can't comment on that. :)
And my reasoning behind why 2 is better (IMO) is that I'm not a fan of time limits (or dungeon limits, in 1's case), and even though I think the first game had a much better story line, I enjoyed the combat of the second more.
And CotP is sitting on my to-do list pile o' games so I can't comment on that. :)
Valkyrie Profile (Lenneth).
Valkyrie Profile 2 was a bloomlit nightmare of convoluted, endless number crunching and anime eyes. The first one stayed a little more focused, and had smooth-animating sprites to boot.
Valkyrie Profile 2 was a bloomlit nightmare of convoluted, endless number crunching and anime eyes. The first one stayed a little more focused, and had smooth-animating sprites to boot.
Wait a minute. Are the Valkyrie Profile games and the Valkyria Chronicles games related? If so, I need to pick up one of those Valkyrie Profile games.
Played the valkyrie game demo on the PSP.....I don't get what the draw is.....who the hell wants to move a character a few steps, then wait for the opponent to move, then shoot a few shots, then wait for the opponent to shoot a few shots......WTF? How is that fun?
first VP...by far
In fact, it is the second best PS RPG, only behind Suikoden II
And I guess Ultima VII: The Black Gate and Ultima VII Part Two: The Serpent's Isle counted as one game.
Has the Mana/Seiken Densetsu series been done yet? Could have missed it.
In fact, it is the second best PS RPG, only behind Suikoden II
And I guess Ultima VII: The Black Gate and Ultima VII Part Two: The Serpent's Isle counted as one game.
Has the Mana/Seiken Densetsu series been done yet? Could have missed it.
Disregard the first two sentences of my second post. Drinking + Commenting = Failure (And sometimes success).
The first Valkyrie Profile wins hands down. VP 2 was great....but I had a blast with the first one. FMV magic, Insane Overkill comboes...not to mention the sprite work back then was top notch. Valkyri Profile 1 and Xenogears are two of the best PSX RPG's ever....EVER!
VP2, because of this guys voice acting and amazing lines.
Spoilers I guess:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z50feD9SPi0
Spoilers I guess:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z50feD9SPi0
Overall I definitely enjoyed Lenneth more. They did a much better job with the whole Einhejar thing. I did grow to like Silmeria though, but until I forced myself to get to the second half of the game. The first half is SO boring...
@JQM78 - That's Valkyria Chronicles, NOT Valkyire Profile. Completely different and completely unrelated games.
@JQM78 - That's Valkyria Chronicles, NOT Valkyire Profile. Completely different and completely unrelated games.
Covenant of the Plume. Oh yes, it reuses music from VP1, has little VA work, and it was a full-on SRPG (which I liked), but it was nice how the game progressed through three distinct routes as opposed to having, say like VP1, the same route with two different endings (barring the dungeons you see, of course). The three routes also give different faces to the people you meet, as well as flesh out the war that happens. That and the combat is really fun and is a logical step from VP2.
Am I the only person who voted for this? :(
Am I the only person who voted for this? :(
@Danny Merritt - I couldn't get into CotP at all the first few times I played it, until I eventually said screw it and started sacrificing people at every turn. Once I did that I started to enjoy it a lot more.
Still, it was my least favorite of the 3.
Still, it was my least favorite of the 3.
@TexasGoldRush: Yep, I got around to replying to your previous question late in the last debate. They counted as one game.
Valkyrie Profile and Chronicles games are not related, which is why the TWO Chronicles games will faceoff next week. Separate from this week. But they may be in the same brackets in the tournament, just for shits and giggles. Although, probably not, since people have a huge hardon for Chronicles and, as some have already said here in the comments, Profile is many peoples' favorite RPG of all time. So I will probably make the brackets balanced in the same manner the March Madness ones are, with rankings spread out.
Valkyrie Profile and Chronicles games are not related, which is why the TWO Chronicles games will faceoff next week. Separate from this week. But they may be in the same brackets in the tournament, just for shits and giggles. Although, probably not, since people have a huge hardon for Chronicles and, as some have already said here in the comments, Profile is many peoples' favorite RPG of all time. So I will probably make the brackets balanced in the same manner the March Madness ones are, with rankings spread out.
Valkyrie Profile 1, easily.
I thought the game was fun as hell, not to mention the fact that Tri Ace didn't just do a lazy set of difficulty settings like they did for their other games (ie harder difficulty just means more stats), but instead made it actually feel more rewarding for me to play Hard Mode than it was to play normal or easy. Not to mention the differing scenarios between modes as well (not a ton, but enough for me).
Also, probably one of the better soundtracked games I ever played--not only was the music great, but the VA was fabulous. If you don't believe me, Lezard is practiacally perfect in VP 1 (nothing is quite as awesome as him spouting "Thou must desire respite from thy empty existence" right before raining total annihilation onto whatever he's facing :) ).
Also, pedophile jokes FTW.
I thought the game was fun as hell, not to mention the fact that Tri Ace didn't just do a lazy set of difficulty settings like they did for their other games (ie harder difficulty just means more stats), but instead made it actually feel more rewarding for me to play Hard Mode than it was to play normal or easy. Not to mention the differing scenarios between modes as well (not a ton, but enough for me).
Also, probably one of the better soundtracked games I ever played--not only was the music great, but the VA was fabulous. If you don't believe me, Lezard is practiacally perfect in VP 1 (nothing is quite as awesome as him spouting "Thou must desire respite from thy empty existence" right before raining total annihilation onto whatever he's facing :) ).
Also, pedophile jokes FTW.
Good god, VP 1 by a million times. VP2 would have been awesome if they didn't shit all over the battle system.
And thus, shortly after VP1: Tri-Ace began their downward spiral of suckage.
And thus, shortly after VP1: Tri-Ace began their downward spiral of suckage.
@kaizokuonii - Lezard's VP2 VA >>>>>>>>> VP1 voice. While I like Lenneth better, Silmeria did a much better job in the voice acting department.
Defnitely Silmeria, what a beautiful game that was. Still waiting for a real VP3. And I loved the stupid Coop :) Lenneth was also nice, CotP not so much..
I was thinking of picking up a psp srpg after I finish vc1. I was thinking of picking up Fianal Fantasy Tactics, jeanne d'arc, and VP lenneth. Which is the best of the three?
@brownjohn - Well I think Lenneth is the best overall game of the 3, however the PSP port is also a little sloppy (they didn't even bother to properly format it for widescreen, so the image often looks stretched), so it's a toss up between that and Jeanne D'Arc.
Valkyrie Profile 1/Lenneth, easily. 2nd one's plot was tiresome and the game mechanics tired to do too much. VP1 also has a pack of memorable characters, something that VP2 doesn't.
i love both lenneth n silmeria, but imma go with silmeria because of the pretty backgrounds and because it was fun to play and a good challenge. ill forget the DS one existed tho
I've only played the first game on the PSP, but it left a big impression on me. I'm giving it my vote.
Hmmm, VP1 by a small margin. I don't understand the hate for the VP2 battle system. It wasn't that different. I just beat VP1 for like the billionth time recently, maybe I'll try to play VP2 soon for a closer comparison.
Valkyrie Profile 1 hands F'ing down.
It's hard to find japanese game with adult oriented themes and character designs and this one not only features them but does it in a way that few other games do, japanese and western.
The script was superb, the dialogues and themes of the stories feel like a step above of what you usually find in JRPGs. I loved the stories of the Einherjar and how Lenneth came across them. They were often moving, dramatic and had philosophical undertones that left you thinking about them after you put down the controller, more suited for a mature audience, something which I appreciate, they were further embellished by the awesome soundtrack and voice acting. They managed to get you to care for the long cast of characters, if only for one chapter.
Just check Arngrim and Jelanda's long intro if you doubt these statements(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbnckfMSKwk --part one), there were about 30 minutes of story (not even counting the prologue!) before you could really start the game. I know people usually complain about cutscenes, but when they are this good and serve the purpose of contextualizing the characters and action and draw you closer to them so well, I personally don't mind them at all.
The beautiful character and stage artwork coupled with the catchy music and simple battle system made for an entertaining and addictive experience. I still remember many of the characters' phrases shouted before combat. It's one of the few games I've played twice, once on normal where I got the bad ending and on hard for the good one.
It's among my favorite JRPGs, if not the one.
I did play VP2, I really liked the graphics and maybe even the changes to the battle and skill systems. I tried it for a while but sadly realized it lacked what I liked most in the first one; good characterization, great script and mature themes.
Wasn't feeling the story at all, it just paled in comparison to the first one, felt cheesy at times and I couldn't care about the characters, I don't know maybe it was the voice acting or its english direction...
I heard there were plans for VP3 but I doubt they can manage to pull another gem like VP1. I don't know how well the first VP was received in japan, or if people here and over there value the same traits I find best about VP1, but IMO, the people that developed VP2 weren't really aware of what VP1 such a good game and just saw love for a franchise and an opportunity to make cash.
It's hard to find japanese game with adult oriented themes and character designs and this one not only features them but does it in a way that few other games do, japanese and western.
The script was superb, the dialogues and themes of the stories feel like a step above of what you usually find in JRPGs. I loved the stories of the Einherjar and how Lenneth came across them. They were often moving, dramatic and had philosophical undertones that left you thinking about them after you put down the controller, more suited for a mature audience, something which I appreciate, they were further embellished by the awesome soundtrack and voice acting. They managed to get you to care for the long cast of characters, if only for one chapter.
Just check Arngrim and Jelanda's long intro if you doubt these statements(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbnckfMSKwk --part one), there were about 30 minutes of story (not even counting the prologue!) before you could really start the game. I know people usually complain about cutscenes, but when they are this good and serve the purpose of contextualizing the characters and action and draw you closer to them so well, I personally don't mind them at all.
The beautiful character and stage artwork coupled with the catchy music and simple battle system made for an entertaining and addictive experience. I still remember many of the characters' phrases shouted before combat. It's one of the few games I've played twice, once on normal where I got the bad ending and on hard for the good one.
It's among my favorite JRPGs, if not the one.
I did play VP2, I really liked the graphics and maybe even the changes to the battle and skill systems. I tried it for a while but sadly realized it lacked what I liked most in the first one; good characterization, great script and mature themes.
Wasn't feeling the story at all, it just paled in comparison to the first one, felt cheesy at times and I couldn't care about the characters, I don't know maybe it was the voice acting or its english direction...
I heard there were plans for VP3 but I doubt they can manage to pull another gem like VP1. I don't know how well the first VP was received in japan, or if people here and over there value the same traits I find best about VP1, but IMO, the people that developed VP2 weren't really aware of what VP1 such a good game and just saw love for a franchise and an opportunity to make cash.
This is a tough one, I think the original is my favorite though, just because its so wildly different from any other RPG I've ever played. The game progression doesn't follow the norms set by every other game- your basically a goddess of death, searching out across the land for warriors who've recently died, who you then recruit to fight for you in the afterlife. Each character you recruit has this cool little back story and you get to watch their final (often very sad) moments play out before your eyes.
The battle system was incredibly deep, the graphics and music were excellent (one of my favorite all time game soundtracks actually), and its confusing as hell- definitely a game only for the hard-core.
VP2 was excellent as well- amazing soundtrack and its one of THE BEST looking PS2 games but for some reason I just like playing VP1 a little bit more.
DS one I never played but heard mostly bad things.
The battle system was incredibly deep, the graphics and music were excellent (one of my favorite all time game soundtracks actually), and its confusing as hell- definitely a game only for the hard-core.
VP2 was excellent as well- amazing soundtrack and its one of THE BEST looking PS2 games but for some reason I just like playing VP1 a little bit more.
DS one I never played but heard mostly bad things.
VP2 Silmeria by a lot. i remember way back in the day the fans kept asking for Japanese voices and english subs, but we never got it - then someone took the time to repack the iso of the game with japanese voices and english subs and started a torrent.
Lenneth for me. Great story but hot DAMN, it's so sad I had to play LocoRoco or something after each session.
Lenneth all the way. Silmeria pales in comparison and I'd rather forget the order of the plume or whatever it was on the DS.
As for valkyria chronicles, why even bother? It'll be a whitewash in favour of the first game. It's not a battle, it's a massacre!
As for valkyria chronicles, why even bother? It'll be a whitewash in favour of the first game. It's not a battle, it's a massacre!
VP1 simply because its still well ingrained in my memories. I have played VP2, way after VP1 but I dont remember anything about it.
I guess I remember VP1 because it was an RPG that was very original and ahead of its time. First of all it was one of the first RPG that had decent English voice acting. The english cast of Pokemon did alot of voices for the game, so some of the characters sound like Brock and Ash.
VP1 was one of the first JRPG I played that did away with random battles as you are allowed to freeze them and bypass them. In addition to bypassing bad guys, the game had awesome puzzles and platforming segments as the crystals can be shot to create a platform, or let it burst to create a little boost.
VP1 also allowed some greater degree of freedom, as you dont need to view the tale of every Einherjar, and different difficulties even offered different endings.
Couple months ago I went to the comic book store and saw a Trading Arts figure of Freya. Bought it immediatly for $8.
I guess I remember VP1 because it was an RPG that was very original and ahead of its time. First of all it was one of the first RPG that had decent English voice acting. The english cast of Pokemon did alot of voices for the game, so some of the characters sound like Brock and Ash.
VP1 was one of the first JRPG I played that did away with random battles as you are allowed to freeze them and bypass them. In addition to bypassing bad guys, the game had awesome puzzles and platforming segments as the crystals can be shot to create a platform, or let it burst to create a little boost.
VP1 also allowed some greater degree of freedom, as you dont need to view the tale of every Einherjar, and different difficulties even offered different endings.
Couple months ago I went to the comic book store and saw a Trading Arts figure of Freya. Bought it immediatly for $8.
Very interesting choice here. I loved both games and so long as you had half a fucking brain in your head the battle system was not hard to figure out at all in the second one. ANY ONE who says it was to hard is either a moron or just another spoiled eastern rpg brat. My vote however does go to VP1. Everything about that game kept me interested. VP1 is one of those games in its genre that makes you shudder to think what the future of games would be without it its that ground breaking.
Very interesting choice here. I loved both games and so long as you had half a fucking brain in your head the battle system was not hard to figure out at all in the second one. ANY ONE who says it was to hard is either a moron or just another spoiled eastern rpg brat. My vote however does go to VP1. Everything about that game kept me interested. VP1 is one of those games in its genre that makes you shudder to think what the future of games would be without it. Its that ground breaking. I mean who wouldent want a army of ghosts!? So good.
Was Silmeria a slow burn or something? I just didn't find it interesting in terms of story at all, and the first 4 hours of gameplay did nothing to excite me either. I've never gone back.
So yeah, Valkyrie Profile 1 for sure. It may be story-heavy to start with, but dammit, it's worth it and it's very unusual territory for a JRPG! The platforming / rpg / time management bits are all wonderfully deep too.
So yeah, Valkyrie Profile 1 for sure. It may be story-heavy to start with, but dammit, it's worth it and it's very unusual territory for a JRPG! The platforming / rpg / time management bits are all wonderfully deep too.
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