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Last week's debate made me pretty nervous. On paper, comparing a cartoony and speedy shooter to a realistic and slow stealth shooting game made perfect sense. But this was Metal Gear -- could any series compare with it in a debate? With the possibility of an impending total landslide on my mind, I put the debate up anyways, and I'm really glad I did. The feedback from both sides was a pleasure to read, and the votes did both classics justice. It was close, but in the end it was the slow and steady shooter that won the race:

  • Metal Gear series (65 votes) -- Winner!
  • Metal Slug series (54 votes)

This week we have another great debate on paper. However, unlike last week, I could see the outcome of this week's discussion being even more close. Both games offer a huge arsenal of Nintendo characters to play as, but in totally different ways with the pacing and context of them being completely different. Most of us that enjoyed one ended up enjoying both of them, which should make choosing which series as a whole is better even harder on the Dtoid army. But that's exactly what we need to do.

Which series do you like better as a whole, and why? What aspects or individual games of the series made up your mind? Give it some serious thought, and then share your thought process with all of us. Get your Nintendo friends to share their opinions as well, and check back next week for the winner who will receive 100 gold coins, 5 stars, and a million trophies.

Bonus Question: What is one thing you do not enjoy about the series you voted for?


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Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:04
Retrofraction
Super Smash Bro., bonus that the new one laggs like hell all the time

thats it....

Mario Party = shovelware wii crap that is not online
Xhumation's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:08
Xhumation
Smash Brothers.

It's a different kind of 2d fighters that offers some great and intesting mechanics of play, in most of it's iterations it's had great multiplayer and a decent single player as well. However I think that the series has peaked and it's in dire need of serious innovation before it goes stale.

Mario Party doesn't really have a single player component and I've always felt that it just "another minigame collection" with a lack of cohesion.
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:08
TheDirtyHobo
Super Smash Bros, better party game, better competitive game, and less of the infamous rehashin' that Nintendo loves.

Lack of a decent netcode for online play. After playing SF2THDR, SF4, and BlazBlue, there's no way in hell I can go back to input lag. That's so 2004.
Panda Cookies's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:10
Panda Cookies
I bought my wii just for Brawl. I stood in line on a cold November night, called in hooky to work, and guarded my little ticket the employees had given me with my life... just for a Wii so I could one day buy Brawl. Then I bought Brawl, played it and then stopped. When I tried to play with people who didn't own Brawl or a Wii, I became "that person" so it was not fun. Plus, after about a year I picked Brawl back up and played it, realizing what a terrible game it is.

When I played Mario Party I could play with anybody. I could play while drinking. I could play solo, even though the computer is full of dick moves. But most importantly I could play it while partying... making it a MARIO PARTY.

The answer is simple... Mario Party.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:11
DaedHead8
My vote is for Super Smash Bros. Mario Party used to be good but the formula is just so freaking stale now. I do have fond memories of MP from when it first released, but that magic is long gone. Smash bros is where it's at.
Pacopaco's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:11
Pacopaco
Super Smash Bros. all the way. Mario Party can be incredibly fun under the right conditions but the main board game portion slooooooows down the game to a fault. The Mario Party series has also been pretty watered down with so many unnecessary iterations. I still love some of the games, though.

The Super Smash Bros. series isn't as open to everyone but it's not incredibly hard to pick up and play either. I haven't had the chance to get into the fine gameplay mechanics of Brawl, but the nuances and advanced learning curve for Melee was incredible by any standard.

Bonus: A few rounds of Melee can really make my eyes hurt.
Kabuto Drew's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:11
Kabuto Drew
My vote goes to smash brothers because it's pure mindless fun. Sadly I was never really able to get into mario party

BQ:It's not as much fun without a group of people to play with
(This goes for both games actually)
zypheron37's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:11
zypheron37
Super Smash Brothers
Mini games with mario characters or Nintendo mascots beating the crap out of each other?
Not that Mario party is bad how many games can they make, what was it now ten?
mrplow8's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:16
mrplow8
Smash Bros.
Bonus: The online play in Brawl is so terrible that there have been times when I've decided to just play against the computer rather than bother trying to get into a decent online game.
gatorsax2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:18
gatorsax2010
Easiest choice ever. Smash Bros. all the way.

Mario Party, while sometimes enjoyable, fills me with rage more often than not. I'm doing fine, having a ball, then BAM! I either lose my stars, or some idiot gets stupid reward bonus stars for made-up reasons that make no sense. If it were just minigames, I'd probably enjoy it more. SSB, on the other hand, was a pleasant surprise on the N64, while Melee added a ton of features I never knew I wanted but later found I couldn't live without, and Brawl was even better (in my opinion). But seriously, I think no franchise has ever had such a dramatic increase in quality from one game to the next as Smash Bros. 64 to Melee (which is saying something, since the original was so good).

Bonus Question: No-funs who say the "real" way to play is with all the things that make the game unique turned off.

BQ: I wish Brawl had better online
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:18
The-Excel
Mario Party should have ended five games ago.
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:19
Mushman
SSBB, it's an awesome game at every level, has a surprisingly decent story mode (the length is substantial), masses to unlock, showed what the wii was capable in terms of graphics, awesome 4 player fighting, great roster and was accessible to anyone. Even me, a complete SSB newbie. What I really liked was there was, to me, great balance in the game and there really wasn't any character that was over powered, IMHO.It had a balance that is rarely seen in fighters.

Not only that, it's a great game to play with my family and whoever plays it enjoys it immeasurably, more so than wii play/sports. It's the only wii game I seriously wish was on my PS3.

So, my vote goes to SSBB.

The only thing I don't like? It's not on the PS3, that's it!! :)
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:20
WarZombie
Smash Bros.

I mean, as much as I loved Mario Party 2 (FUCKING CLASSIC!), Mario Party just seems to have lost, for a lack of a better word, it's "magic", in recent years. It's literally the same thing, year-in, year-out. Smash Bros. is always upping the ante, and surprised the hell out of all of us when we saw Solid Snake in the revel trailer. Plus, even though it's three iterations in, it's still just damn good.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:23
F Whipple
I don't foresee this one being close.

Smash Bros

bonus: tripping
Trebz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:27
Trebz
Doesn't look like Mario Party will get many votes, if any.

Super Smash Bros. Lots of good memories with friends and it has a lot of cartoonish style that a lot of brawlers don't have, mainly because it's one big Nintendo wet dream.
I only own one Mario Party game (4) and I know I'll never want to return to it again because there's nothing interesting about the formula anymore.

BQ: Some characters are worthless.
Cough's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:27
Cough
Smash Bros.

Something i don't like ... well i really hate pikachu. And Melee was kind of not good.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:29
Fronz
Looks like this will be a Mario Party eulogy that pretty much goes like this:

"Mario Party used to be amazing. But now it's dog shit and I'm glad it's dead. Vote: Smash Bros."

I'd love to say "But guysss, Mario Party used to be so good, and the newest Smash Bros has gone way downhill in that it disappointed with several key attention grabbing features" except, yeah, I'm giving my vote to Smash Bros as well.

Bonus Question: Level maker was underwhelming. Not terrible, but it could have been one of the best things in gaming of the year. All the LittleBigPlanet lovefests? Slipped right through its fingers. Then 90% of its players took those butter fingers and slammed them with a hammer in frustration of its awful online play.

What hope does the series have in the future if it will (and we all know it will) continue to have pathetic online play? That alone makes this much closer of a debate than it might appear. I did give much thought to voting for Mario Party. It just didn't have enough pros to outweigh the cons tho. So Smash Bros it is.

Let this debate be some valuable research for you, Nintendo. Fix yer shit.
Jakysan's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:30
Jakysan
Why am I even commenting? I absoltuely think both series are dumb. Boring. Childish. Next feud please? Oh if you need a vote, mines for HalfLife 2.
tirkaro's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:31
tirkaro
Um wow.....

Did you WANT mario party to get raped? Seriously, you must have something against it to put it up against a goddamn beast like Smash Bros.

Anyway, Smash Bros. (But only 64, Melee, and Brawl+. Non-hacked Brawl can go suck it.)
Cadtalfryn's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:32
Cadtalfryn
Smash Bros wins hands down.

Thing I don't enjoy: Tripping. DAMN YOU SAKURAI!
Dr Milkdad's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:35
Dr Milkdad
Really? This is kind of unfair.

Smash Bros all the way.
goodgamer77's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:38
goodgamer77
Smash Bros.
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:41
gamadaya
Really?

Really??

Bonus: I think Brawl was just plain worse than Melee. I was willing to give it a chance, but almost everyone in my group wanted to go back to Melee. As soon as I played Melee again, I realized why. It's faster, metagame is more fun, less randomness, easier combos and low damage kills, and wakeup game actually matters.
Brass's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:42
Brass
I rarely see one of these debates and have such a completely one-sided answer.

Smash Bros.

Mario Party was intriguing at first, but it's very easy to call it Nintendo's Madden. Release after release saw very little in the way of improvements or meaningful changes. 12 games over about 10 years with a number of the same mini-games each. And it's boring as hell to play alone.

Conversely, Smash Bros., a series that has been around for a similar amount of time has three games, each with revamped gameplay and a myriad of improvements in each title.

To me, Smash Bros. is how a Nintendo franchise should be done; released on each console with improvements that show a substantial leap in mechanics and gameplay, improving on the established and introducing innovation when possible.
MisterGrieves's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:44
MisterGrieves
Not. Even. A contest.

Smash Bros.
Deretto's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:45
Deretto
Smash Bros no contest. One thing I don't like about the series are the Final Destination and no items only tourney fags.
CrocBox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:49
CrocBox
I like both T-T
Laird's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/22/2009 23:57
Laird
Super Smash Bros

Even though the online is greatly, shall we say, undeveloped? (same with TMNT: Smash Up, unfortunately... *sigh*)
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:04
Shadowiii
I have a feeling Mario Party isn't going to get even 5 votes.
Yeah. Smash Bros.
snoogans775's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:07
snoogans775
I swear I'm not trying to be contrary!

Mario Party 2. I played many a fun night with that game, and some people I knew who don't normally play video games could get way into that game. When I was younger, it was Surge soda, a pizza, and Mario Party for a birthday party with anybody I could tolerate for 12 hours straight.

why did I not choose Smash Bros. It's simple. Everyone who has ever played that game, kicks my ass relentlessly whenever I've played it, then they get all smug and stupid, with their stupid faces. Then I kick their controllers across the room and say, "wow, you're indeed gay!"


but seriously, gloaty Smash bros. experts are swine, they're worse than swine, they're smelly two-week old overcooked pasta soaking in semen.

bonus: Mario Party is marred by it's subsequent titles, they didn't need to keep making those games, but it's a kiddie franchise, so they didn't actually need to make it all that good. Parents buy the games for their kids because it's the only game they could find that doesn't have AIDS infected eyeballs being splattered across 500 dead jews.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:20
Xzyliac
Super Smash Bros. easily. Super Mario Party is absolute shit on a dick. Seriously.

I suck ass at SSB but dude it is fun. WAY more fun that SMP.
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:20
ace of knaves
Seriously? Smash Bros. No hesitation. Brawl is the reason I own a Wii. Mario Party is just kind of okay sometimes.
Guncannon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:23
Guncannon
One could Smash Bros. has only seen incremental improvements over the three editions thus far...but then look at the more numerous Mario Party sequels...

Oh, and don't forget that game in Mario Party 1 where you HAD TO SPIN THE ANALOG STICK AROUND REALLY FAST UNTIL YOU GOT A GIANT BLISTER ON YOUR PALM!!!

So, my vote obviously goes to Smash Bros.

Bonus: Where's a Smash Bros. game on the DS?!? At least it might have working online play...
Chack's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:24
Chack
Smash Bros, no doubt. The Multiplayer in Shmash Bros. is quite entertaining. Also, all the trophies and challenges to get and collect are great, such emotional and nostalgic as a boy who grew up with Nintendo.
Ballistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:29
Ballistic
SUPER. SMASH. BROTHERS.

I've played my share of Mario Party, it was fun, I destroyed many a friendship because of the games' incredible unwavering bias towards me, and the games were a nice distraction, but it's one of the most shallow experiences I've ever bothered to actually play for a long period of time.

Compare that to Smash Brothers, which I am still playing to this day, both Melee and Brawl, and would probably even go back and play original if I had the opportunity. I don't even think online play is the way to go with Brawl simply because a great deal of the value I've gotten from it comes from being able to play it with others in a living room setting with friends and just trash talking, yelling, etc. It just wouldn't be the same to play it with just another person's voice coming through a mic though.
Ballistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:30
Ballistic
oh, and I think a much better comparison of game series would actually have been Smash Bros versus Mario Kart.
sohnvonben's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:31
sohnvonben
My favorite Mario Party was the second one, they are pretty fun to play at parties (obvlsy..)

But then there is Super Smash Brothers. All the comments pretty much sums up the good and the bad of this game. But me and my friends even had real trophies made up for this game. It is the ultimate party game.

I vote for SSBM.

Bonus: I don't enjoy Mr Game and Watch.
super2j's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:35
super2j
smash bros hands down. I enjoyed the minigames in party but they were too 1 dimensional, no collectibles, story, or reason. Anyway i disliked the fact snakes final smash does not use the wiimote.
D Sane's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:43
D Sane
I'm going to have to go with Smash Bros because, though I do like the Mario Party games, there's always an element of randomness (winner based on random stars at the end) that makes their replayability level really low. After you've played through all the minigames and memorized the lay outs of the boards, it loses its fun level. Also, the character you chose has absolutely no relevance to anything other than your particular predilection towards one of them.

Smash Bros is much better because there's elements of strategy and planning that go into this fighter, much unlike any other fighter I've ever seen. Plus, the chaos of certain levels makes for great fun.

Basically, Mario Party is random for all the wrong reasons while Smash Bros is random for all the right reasons.
D Sane's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:44
D Sane
Forgot my bonus answer: I hate that I always lose to my little brother's friend who is some kind of Smash Bros god. Screw that kid!
ender_x's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 00:44
ender_x
Brawl!

I play every day still. With my boyfriend, of course. it's nice living with another gamer. (we really do play every day!)
though, dissidia's taking the time away lately. such a better game! and AWESOME with multiplayer!
kingtobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:00
kingtobo
SSB.

This is going to be a blow out. While I had fun times with Mario Party 2 back in the day and the DS title is pretty damn fun when you have someone to play with there's just been way too many versions. Mario Party 8 is tragically bad and the disc load times slow things down even more.

Super Smash Bros got me addicted to gaming on the N64 and it will always have a special place in my heart.
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:03
king kong five
I'm gonna have to vote for Mario Party. Yeah, at the risk of sounding like an incompetent moron, I'm gonna have to go with Mario Party. I HAVE A REASON LET ME EXPLAIN, I HAVE A REASON I SWEAR.

Mario Party may have a Mario/Nintendo theme, but it is first and foremost a party game, and that's where the essence of the game lies. You don't need to know the characters and the universe in order to have fun picking up little orbs in bumper cars. Smash Bros, on the other hand, hinges primarily on its all-star cast of licensed Nintendo characters. The gameplay is solid and fun, but if it had an original cast of characters, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be nearly as popular as it is. Smash Bros relies heavily on the assumption that its players are familiar with the characters it has to offer, and for most gamers this assumption holds up quite nicely. For me, however, a gamer who has never owned any of Nintendo's platforms, the nostalgia and familiarity simply isn't there. My roommate in college last year played Smash Bros on his Wii a lot, and whenever I joined him I would ALWAYS play as Snake. I had a lot of fun with it, and I loved the Shadow Moses arena, but considering how much more the game has to offer to Nintendo veterans, I could never shake the nagging feeling that I was being left out of the larger party.
On the other hand, I've been playing Dissidia a LOT lately, and being a longtime Final Fantasy fan I'm getting a lot out of it, but I have no delusions about the fact that if the game wasn't centered around the Final Fantasy universe, I probably wouldn't be so engaged in it.
Just to clarify, 'cause I'd rather not be crucified, I'm not saying that Smash Bros is by any means a bad game, and I'm not even necessarily saying that Mario Party is a hands-down better game. I'm just saying that I've personally had much more fun playing Mario Party than I ever have playing Smash Bros.
Nerdy Suit's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:19
Nerdy Suit
Wait...I thought this was suppose to be a debate? Are we seriously comparing the godliness of Smash to Mario Party?

Anyone who votes for Mario Party over Smash needs to be shot.

STD no longer stands for "Sexually Transmitted Disease". It now stands for "Smash Till Dawn"...that's how awesome Smash Bros. is.
ration's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:23
ration
super smash bros. ...I'm sorry I don't think cutting virtual logs and

painting virtual houses is fun
zanthox's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:34
zanthox
Super Smash Bros., duh.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:36
Monodi
My Nintendo fanboyism is begging me to vote for Super Smash Bros, and also a part of my sense. But I think, that Mario Party, has a richer multiplayer experience. Why?

Well, both of them have EXCELLENT multiplayer perspectives, but Mario Party has something that is very hard to find in Super Smash Bros.: Strategy.

Admit it, a huge part of what you loved Mario Party was to fuck up your friends by stealing stars, coins, fucking up the tables of the game by chance time, the mini game cooperation.

Super Smash Bros is a glorious title and the best thing a Nintendo fan could ever ask, because they feature all what relies behind the window of fanboyism, all the characters, all the cameos, all the information, all the rarities, the remixes, everything. But the multiplayer experience is at risk from the moment someone is just too damn good at it and abuses of it and becomes a tourney fag. You know, those assholes that only use Falco, Metaknight and Ike.

Sure, what I hate of Mario Party is that it lost a great part of what it was: Something worthful.It was about the 4th that the series jumped the shark by included a lot of unnecessary features on an already balanced party game.


I think we should blind off a thing away, Party games became extremely "popular" when the Wii came out, and we got tired as shit of them by all the unnecessary Ubisoft sacrilege.

For the sole part of Mario party reaching to be a game all about chances over skill (except maybe on mini games), I take it because it balances every player to the same opportunity of winning despite experience. If you want to prove me otherwise, demonstrate me Mario Party tourneys.


By the way, it would be genius that they made a new one but with a Nintendo all-stars. Kind of like, Smash party, or whatever.
Jack Maverick's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:51
Jack Maverick
I can't recall the last time I even enjoyed a Mario Party game, so I'm gonna go with Smash Bros.

One thing I don't like about it? The cloooooones.
CUDpwns's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 01:58
CUDpwns
Smash bros for sure.
Parties with Italian plumbers are never much fun.
GWT's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/23/2009 02:07
GWT
I'm confused.
Aren't these the same game, only with different characters?
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