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Wasn't K.O.T.O.R 2 by Obsidian? I know it as obviously heavily reliant on what Bioware built for the first game but I wouldn't have them down as developer.
Doesn't really matter, the first one all the way.
Doesn't really matter, the first one all the way.
The first one, mostly because it single-handedly justified an Xbox purchase for me. KOTOR 2 was a good game, though. An unfinished one, in a certain sense, but a good one.
KOTOR 1. It was new, the game had less bugs. KOTOR 2 was forced to reach a deadline, less dev time, more bugs. Storyline not as good.
KOTOR 1 for the simple reason that it had a great, complete story, very fun gameplay, and did a great job in the whole light side/dark side choice thing that didnt always seem too heavy handed at times.
KOTOR 2, while fun, felt incomplete and sometimes an utter waste of time.
Bonus Question: I'm having a hard time deciding on any obvious drawbacks that annoyed me. It could just be because I havent played it in a long time though.
KOTOR 2, while fun, felt incomplete and sometimes an utter waste of time.
Bonus Question: I'm having a hard time deciding on any obvious drawbacks that annoyed me. It could just be because I havent played it in a long time though.
KOTOR 2. I have always preferred it over the original. I liked that the storyline didn't focus on the big hero and just some regular (for the most part) Jedi. It will always be my favorite of the two.
Bonus Question: I hated that it was rushed and some of the more intricate details of the story were lost, but that's what we have a mod community for.
Bonus Question: I hated that it was rushed and some of the more intricate details of the story were lost, but that's what we have a mod community for.
I played the Sith Lords before I played KOTOR 1 but I have to say that,
KOTOR 1 was better because the story was amazing and the reveal there was just amazing. It also opened up the star wars series to whole new lot of possibilities.
The one thing I didn't like...Kashyyyk. Not really the whole thing just the Shyriiwook.
KOTOR 1 was better because the story was amazing and the reveal there was just amazing. It also opened up the star wars series to whole new lot of possibilities.
The one thing I didn't like...Kashyyyk. Not really the whole thing just the Shyriiwook.
My vote is for KotOR 1:
While the second game had deeper RPG mechanics and recruitable NPC interaction, plus a more satisfying endgame that wasn't essentially just "The Baldur's Gate twist again." too many assets were reused and the ones that were added didn't always look right. Had KotOR 2 been released before KotOR 1, I would have considered the Bioware version to be a major letdown, but such was not the case.
Also, I don't consider black humor to be a strong part of the Star Wars movies beyond a few moments of Droid torture. Since this is something Obsidian does VERY well, they included more than fit the franchise.
...and yes, Obsidian did that sequel, not Bioware, just as they are currently making Fallout New Vegas instead of Bethesda (Thank God). For that franchise, Black Humor is ESSENTIAL, and Obsidian will nail it.
While the second game had deeper RPG mechanics and recruitable NPC interaction, plus a more satisfying endgame that wasn't essentially just "The Baldur's Gate twist again." too many assets were reused and the ones that were added didn't always look right. Had KotOR 2 been released before KotOR 1, I would have considered the Bioware version to be a major letdown, but such was not the case.
Also, I don't consider black humor to be a strong part of the Star Wars movies beyond a few moments of Droid torture. Since this is something Obsidian does VERY well, they included more than fit the franchise.
...and yes, Obsidian did that sequel, not Bioware, just as they are currently making Fallout New Vegas instead of Bethesda (Thank God). For that franchise, Black Humor is ESSENTIAL, and Obsidian will nail it.
Ipersonally enjoyed kotor 2 slot better than 1. Although Koyor 1 did have an excellent story and twist, I felt that 2 had better RPG elements. Also 2 had an upgraded combat system. The only huge complaint I had with 2 was the ridiculous crashing (although 1 had that too).
Oh and the crashing only happened with the PC versions. If you had xbox then you delt with ridiculous load times.
Oh and the crashing only happened with the PC versions. If you had xbox then you delt with ridiculous load times.
Kotor 2. To me, the gameplay was better, and the storyline and characters for the most part was excellent (right up until that bullshit ending).
Kotor I is better, but kotor II is great especially now with the new restoration mod.
When will it be Ultima's turn???? Seriously, an RPG tournament without either Ultima IV or Ultima VII: The Black Gate (or Serpents Isle) would be a fail tournament.
When will it be Ultima's turn???? Seriously, an RPG tournament without either Ultima IV or Ultima VII: The Black Gate (or Serpents Isle) would be a fail tournament.
First game, because the second wasn't exactly...finished. Though 2 had the nice touch of making your good deeds have bad consequences and vice versa, somehow. So yeah, KOTOR 1.
Bonus: I'm not really sure, since it's been so bloody long. Oh wait, I know. I would love for Taris (first town) to not lag my computer horribly, please. Game starts in a ship of corridors. Then you land and it's a big, wide-open town...and the game for some reason feels like it has to render EVERYTHING even way outside of view distance. It was so bad that my party actually started to run backwards at times, if I could get them to move at all. This was really the only time it happened, even in 2. D:
Bonus: I'm not really sure, since it's been so bloody long. Oh wait, I know. I would love for Taris (first town) to not lag my computer horribly, please. Game starts in a ship of corridors. Then you land and it's a big, wide-open town...and the game for some reason feels like it has to render EVERYTHING even way outside of view distance. It was so bad that my party actually started to run backwards at times, if I could get them to move at all. This was really the only time it happened, even in 2. D:
I forgot the bonus Q.
BONUS: What I didn't like about KotOR 1...
Just like the reality show Survivor, I liked it a lot but it wasn't worth how it changed the landscape of television completely. For every The Bachelor there is an Action-RPG, with a strong emphasis on the Action.
BONUS: What I didn't like about KotOR 1...
Just like the reality show Survivor, I liked it a lot but it wasn't worth how it changed the landscape of television completely. For every The Bachelor there is an Action-RPG, with a strong emphasis on the Action.
Overall I would have to go with the first one mainly due to the fact that every planet in the game was both interesting and did not involve spending 6 hours just to complete half of it. KOTOR 2 spent way too much time locking you onto a questline and taking forever to complete it. Though I did like how it encouraged returning to various planets, it just kept doing it at a sluggish pace. Both games had interesting quests though, but I think KOTOR 1 handled them a bit better. Also, KOTOR 1 had one introductory planet. KOTOR II had the most boring abandoned astroid ever followed by the longest introductory planet.
Where KOTOR II does win points over is the improved character systems, abilities tree, and also the Sith designs. I loved the KOTOR II Sith far more than I ever did Malek. Malek was.... eh, just your archtypical student-gone-powerhungry. He was basically Voldemort without a jaw.
But yes, KOTOR I was the more enjoyable.
Where KOTOR II does win points over is the improved character systems, abilities tree, and also the Sith designs. I loved the KOTOR II Sith far more than I ever did Malek. Malek was.... eh, just your archtypical student-gone-powerhungry. He was basically Voldemort without a jaw.
But yes, KOTOR I was the more enjoyable.
KOTOR 1 has my vote. Ive actually been playing through KOTOR 2 again this week. Its a good game but its so buggy, unpolished and seemingly unfinished, that it really hurts the experience sometimes. Plus the story-telling is not as good.
KOTOR 1 by a mile. I enjoyed the second one but they repeated so much from the first gameplay-wise (same with Jade Empire) that it felt a little like deja vu.
Bonus question: I never felt compelled to make much use of a number of the items in the game. Same thing happened to me with Metal Gear Solid 4.
Bonus question: I never felt compelled to make much use of a number of the items in the game. Same thing happened to me with Metal Gear Solid 4.
KoTOR 2. Sure, it's buggy, unfinished and basically missing an ending, but what you've got is a glimpse at, if it were finished, one of the best RPG's of all time. It had a masterful story and something much deeper then your standard 'Save the World/Galaxy' plot, at least on the worlds that were finished. Nar Shaddaa stands out for me as a wonderful planet, really brought to life with some interesting characters. The quests can be finished in quite a variety of ways, which is always nice for an RPG. The likes of Atton, Mira, Kriea and Bao-Dur are excellent party members, with real depth to their characterisation, especially Kriea who's probably one of the best characters ever seen in a video game. And if you read what they had actually planned for the ending, for the robot planet etc, you can see just how awesome it'd have been had it been finished. I think it's one of the great tragedies of the last generation that it never was finished, and that we never got KoTOR 3.
That said, KoTOR 1 is close to perfect. The two games are two sides of the same coin. KoTOR 1 is the Reconstruction of the epic, high fantasy Star Wars story, while KoTOR 2 is the Deconstruction of the epic, high fantasy Star Wars story. Both are really good games, and give you two perspectives on the story.
That said, KoTOR 1 is close to perfect. The two games are two sides of the same coin. KoTOR 1 is the Reconstruction of the epic, high fantasy Star Wars story, while KoTOR 2 is the Deconstruction of the epic, high fantasy Star Wars story. Both are really good games, and give you two perspectives on the story.
KOTOR 1. I just loved the story, the VO, the setting, the fact that it was Star Wars in full glory after it had been tarnished, etc. KOTOR is actually my favorite game ever (and has been for quite some time). While I love KOTOR 2 (non-Bioware-ness aside), and I think the sequel had a lot interesting ideas and characters, the original is gaming perfection.
One thing I didn't like? Tough call, as it's my favorite game ever, but I will admit the graphics could have used more polish, and it had more bugs than an entomologist's lab.
One thing I didn't like? Tough call, as it's my favorite game ever, but I will admit the graphics could have used more polish, and it had more bugs than an entomologist's lab.
Is this really a debate? This is like comparing Modern Warfare to World at War. Kotor damn near revived RPGs single handedly with the combat system and started a whole new type of RPGs.
The first KOTOR......it's easy, because the second one was just a re-hash of the first one, and the "suprise" ending in the second kotor was nothing like the "revelation" of the first one.
KOTOR 1. While I enjoyed the characters a bit more in 2, it's story starts and ends with nothing really have changed. KOTOR 1 basically SET the era of The Old Republic. As a "game" however, they both are nearly equal. They both have some amazing moments. Kotor 1 just edged out 2 in terms of impact, story and well..setting the bar.
As far as what I didn't like about 1? Some of the mechanics were clunky and the game wasn't as consistently challenging throughout.
At the end of the day though, I'll play either of these before a lot of other RPGs.
As far as what I didn't like about 1? Some of the mechanics were clunky and the game wasn't as consistently challenging throughout.
At the end of the day though, I'll play either of these before a lot of other RPGs.
I say KotOR 1 because the story was so much more epic than KotOR 2
Bonus: KotOR 1 took its sweet time to let you become a Jedi >.<
Bonus: KotOR 1 took its sweet time to let you become a Jedi >.<
Kotor 1's story manages to give you freedom over how you want to adventure, while still keeping you interested in the primary plot. The influence the game gives you over the plot made it really immersive, with a great pace. Whenever the game starts to get slow you get hit with an awesome piece of plot.
I feel like Kotor 2 got the pacing all wrong. In 1 you start as an average joe, then after playing for a couple hours you become a jedi, in a true "fuck ya" gaming moment. The game makes you really want to be a jedi then BOOM, lightsaber son. Kotor 2 starts you off as a jedi, but it takes half the damn game to collect all the parts for your lightsaber. Building your lightsaber felt like more of a burden than an accomplishment.
I feel like Kotor 2 got the pacing all wrong. In 1 you start as an average joe, then after playing for a couple hours you become a jedi, in a true "fuck ya" gaming moment. The game makes you really want to be a jedi then BOOM, lightsaber son. Kotor 2 starts you off as a jedi, but it takes half the damn game to collect all the parts for your lightsaber. Building your lightsaber felt like more of a burden than an accomplishment.
KOTOR 1.
It was a step into a new world and a breath of fresh air for the Star Wars mythos. It had a special "feel" to it. An epic tale starting on a dying ship. Falling to a metropolis of a world, and then watching it burn. And traveling across the galaxy as a new Jedi, on your own ship no less, and exploring a vivid cosmos on a new level we had yet been allowed to taste. And that twist. That was cool, too.
My main dislike was the lack of passive auto-heal, which was fixed in KOTOR 2 (enjoyed a lot but had all those damn flaws). Wasted more medkits than was necessary. God bless force heal.
It was a step into a new world and a breath of fresh air for the Star Wars mythos. It had a special "feel" to it. An epic tale starting on a dying ship. Falling to a metropolis of a world, and then watching it burn. And traveling across the galaxy as a new Jedi, on your own ship no less, and exploring a vivid cosmos on a new level we had yet been allowed to taste. And that twist. That was cool, too.
My main dislike was the lack of passive auto-heal, which was fixed in KOTOR 2 (enjoyed a lot but had all those damn flaws). Wasted more medkits than was necessary. God bless force heal.
I prefer KotOR 1; while the story was slightly more personal in 2 and your character was more unique, the bugs were pretty bad. Also, the ending was pretty jarring when it ended like that. You just seem to all of a sudden end up someplace and stuff happens and you're what i dont even
Also, the main thing I didnt like about 1 was it doesnt scale the hud or menus, so large resolutions make everything really small. Even worse in widescreen.
Also, the main thing I didnt like about 1 was it doesnt scale the hud or menus, so large resolutions make everything really small. Even worse in widescreen.
Kotor 1 was better overall because you got your light saber faster and because the missions were fun and different from being in court to searching very old tombs with crazy puzzles. But the ending to part 1 was dumb, i liked the ending to Kotor 2 better because it felt like it really ment something.
Definitely the first because as someone stated there was insufficient wrap ups and what seemed like a rushed ending to KOTOR II. Though I won't lie, I kinda wish the Jedi had robes like the Jedi in the films (which KOTOR II fixed) and personally due to his mysterious nature I wish Darth Nihilus had been a central or overarching bad guy from one game to the next.
KOTOR 2, easily.
I thought the story itself was better, the music was better, I liked the characters more, and I felt the entire setting had far more of an authentic Star Wars feel than KOTOR 1 did. I loved the prevailing sense of doom you got through all these things throughout most of the game, as you are the last Jedi (essentially), with the ending fight/discussion being a far more satisfying conclusion for me than it was with the ending to KOTOR 1.
I did like KOTOR 1 as well, however it just didn't FEEL like Star Wars as much, mostly because it seemed like there were frigging Jedi and Sith EVERYWHERE...not to say it was bad (not as many glitches for sure) but I had far less emotional involvement with the story than I did with KOTOR 2. The endgame was far less compelling, and the one thing I liked LEAST was the constant respawning mobs in the Star Forge...but that may just be me whining a bit :)
I thought the story itself was better, the music was better, I liked the characters more, and I felt the entire setting had far more of an authentic Star Wars feel than KOTOR 1 did. I loved the prevailing sense of doom you got through all these things throughout most of the game, as you are the last Jedi (essentially), with the ending fight/discussion being a far more satisfying conclusion for me than it was with the ending to KOTOR 1.
I did like KOTOR 1 as well, however it just didn't FEEL like Star Wars as much, mostly because it seemed like there were frigging Jedi and Sith EVERYWHERE...not to say it was bad (not as many glitches for sure) but I had far less emotional involvement with the story than I did with KOTOR 2. The endgame was far less compelling, and the one thing I liked LEAST was the constant respawning mobs in the Star Forge...but that may just be me whining a bit :)
Not even a competition KOTOR 1 all the way. To be fair Obsidian did update some stuff and make the gameplay a little more streamlined but the narrative and characters were nowhere near as memorable or exciting. The first just had so much impact with the how the story was told and the plot twist plus I actually liked the characters instead of the hatred or indifference to the characters I had in KOTOR 2. I enjoyed them both but in the end I have to give it to the first. Not to mention the ending of KOTOR 2 was one of the worst endings in any videogames I've played.
>Fallout 2 (68 votes) -- Winner!
Ahh, good to see that oldschool is still alive and kicking.
and to KOTOR - KOTOR1 - its just better and more consistant gameplay-wise, while KOTOR2 may be better story-wise.
Also, theres been a recent release of patch witch restored huge portion of content in KOTOR2 (and its NOT by TEAM GIZKA, it died a long time ago), its called TSL Restored Content Mod. You may grab it here:
www.deadlystream.com/forum/f123/
Ahh, good to see that oldschool is still alive and kicking.
and to KOTOR - KOTOR1 - its just better and more consistant gameplay-wise, while KOTOR2 may be better story-wise.
Also, theres been a recent release of patch witch restored huge portion of content in KOTOR2 (and its NOT by TEAM GIZKA, it died a long time ago), its called TSL Restored Content Mod. You may grab it here:
www.deadlystream.com/forum/f123/
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