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Game SERIES Debate to the Death! Golden Sun series photo

Yes, I know. Calling Golden Sun a series is a little laughable, but this RPG tournament qualification process is all about including every game the Dtoid Army demands, and the Golden Sun games were high on that list.

In last week's debate we opened the flood gates to what will surely be one of the fiercest competitors in the tournament that lies ahead. I basically asked everyone what "generation" of Pokémon games was their overall favorite, and "it was super effective." With almost 200 votes cast, I'd certainly say so. After the dust settled, here is what the final vote totals came out to:

  • Pokémon Gold / Silver / Crystal / HeartGold / SoulSilver (115 votes) -- Winner!
  • Pokémon Red / Blue / Yellow / FireRed / LeafGreen (35 votes)
  • Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire / Emerald (16 votes)
  • Pokémon Pearl / Diamond / Platinum (9 vote)
  • Pokémon Snap (2 votes) -- Awwww!

There were also a few games that received only one vote, such as Pokémon Stadium, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky, Pokémon Puzzle League, and Pokémon: Johto Photo Finish. Maybe in the next debate I'll even go back and tally up which pokémon earned the most votes in last week's bonus question.

Both Golden Sun and its sequel Golden Sun: The Lost Age managed to achieve nearly identical amounts of success, and went on to be some of the best gaming the Game Boy Advance ever offered. They both added a few refreshing elements to the RPG gameplay formula, and were also well known for their impressive handheld graphics and special effects. I've heard equally great things about both games, so I'm really eager to see which one comes out victorious this week.

Which of the two Golden Sun games is better, and why? What sets it apart from the other game in its series? Sell me on the idea! Get me stoked to see it compete in the tournament! Give it some serious thought, share your reasoning with all of us, and then check back next week to see how your game did!

P.S. I'm going on vacation to Italy for the next few weeks, so there won't be another debate for a while. Use that extra time to catch up on some of the RPGs that have won recently that you never had a chance to play! You don't want to get caught with your pants unequipped in the middle of a heated RPG series tournament!








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Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 02:17
Fronz
Also! The Golden Sun sequel totally should have been called Silver Moon! Jeez, what a ripoff! Hehehe.
Kuram's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 20:34
Kuram
I prefer the second because its the only one I've played. Although I tried for so long to find the first one in stores, they had stopped selling it by the time i wanted it.
TJF588's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 20:35
TJF588
I'll go with The Lost Age here. I prefer the deeper shade on this side of the party split (I align myself with Felix, and my friend with Isaac, who's the technically more important of the two leads). Also, the world was more expansive, and there were more diverse summons. Plus, more side bosses.

However, I'd also like to cast a preliminary vote for a Golden Sun compilation/fusion/splice for the DS (complete with revisitable GS1 areas?!). I'd also hope that it'd give Book I a proper subtitle (I'd bank on "The Broken Seal").
IntuitionJo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 20:41
IntuitionJo
The original is better, IMHO. Call it nostalgia.
AlLeBlanc's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 20:48
AlLeBlanc
THE ORIGINAL!!!
thelostwoods's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 20:58
thelostwoods
I don't know. I can't not think of them both as the same game.
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 20:58
nilcam
I abstain from this vote. Both of these games are gorgeous but they were not even almost fun. I think the Golden Sun series rates in my top 5 greatest gaming let-downs.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:00
Hiltz
Unfortunately, never played the sequel but the original was fantastic. So the first game gets my vote.
FrozenImplosion's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:02
FrozenImplosion
Personally I think the first was better, probably something to do with nostalgia. Although I don't think I ever did beat the last boss of the second one anyway haha
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:06
HEL105
The two are blurred together in my head, I can't really remember which was which. But I think I liked the second one a bit better.
Leon Field's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:08
Leon Field
Both had their merits, and though the second game's Mars adepts where nothing compared to the first, I have to say I preferred many of it's characters and locations allot more.

So I'm gonna have to say Golden Sun: The Lost Age was my fave of the two.

I really can't wait for the DS iteration of the series, and I think that the originals should be re-released due to how difficult it is to actually get hold of them.
conehead the barbarian's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:08
conehead the barbarian
I'm going with the Lost Age. I liked the story of the first one better, but loved the options of the second, having twice as many characters and djinni. It was great being able to use your characters from the first game in the second.
Evergreen's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:09
Evergreen
I dug the first one better. I was actually able to finish it.
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:11
RichardBlaine
The first game had a better narrative, for sure, but the gameplay and structure was improved in the second. Tough call. I say the original was slightly better.
Leon Field's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:12
Leon Field
@Evergreen

Difficulty or length? Or boredom? Just out of interest. I found the final boss of the second one to be a bitch.
Perro's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:16
Perro
Both were equally good. It's been what ten years now wasn't Golden Sun 3 suposed to come out by now?
Evergreen's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:16
Evergreen
@Leon Field

I simply lost interest.
Nemetoad's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:22
Nemetoad
Hmmmm I have to go with Golden Sun 1 being the better of the two. While The Lost Age was a great game, my major grip about it is the gameplay just felt sort of...disjointed in comparison to the first. The ship travel in The Lost Age led me to a lot of moments where I felt like I skipped a step or that I wasn't the proper level for most of the game. Until I was able to meet up with the playable characters from the first game, I felt like I was constantly too low of a level for most of the fights. Also, I think I prefer the first game because it had more of a build-up throughout. It made me expect Alex to be a major boss in the second game, but that never happened, so points off to The Lost Age for that. (Although I think not fighting Alex was great too. It gave the character a bigger sense of power since you didn't have to fight him in some dumbed down state.)

Also, I vote for calling the first game "The Broken Seal" too. Very nice suggestion, TJF588.
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:33
Retrofraction
I vote neither since if you paid attention to the publisher you would know that the game was originally attended to be one game, but they ran out of space.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:33
falinter
Finally a debate I can get behind.

While its true the first one had a story line that was more memorable at least to me, I believe the second one had a more involved character development story line.
Spoilerz! After you find out the "bad guys" your playing as are really the "good guys" and you team up with your previous 4 from the first game, a crazy amazing dynamic starts up, not just between the characters but also with the game play, being able to mix and match between the parties.

Also, come on FLYING BOAT.

Thats why The Lost Age gets my vote.
Davedude's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:36
Davedude
Original, I can't really say why... it's just a preference.
jpolchowski's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:38
jpolchowski
I think it's hard to really say one or the other because I don't consider Golden Sun to be a series. I consider Lost Age to be a continuation rather than a sequel to the first. That said, if I had to choose between the two, I would pick the Lost Age because I really liked being able to bring both game's parties together to make the ideal powerhouse team.
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:40
D-503
Haven't played the sequel. Maybe I'll find a copy while your out in Italy.

Until then THE ORIGINAL keeps a warm place in my heart and with my vote.
Shadowstew's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:42
Shadowstew
I'll go with the original Golden Sun.
Luke Barnard's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:47
Luke Barnard
The lost age.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 21:54
hpv
Golden Sun 1 & 2. They're basically one game so I don't see how you can really debate which is better. If I had to pick though I'd go with the first because it was the original and that part in 2 where you get on the boat becomes kind of confusing as to where you're supposed to be going.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:00
Gen Eric Gui
Both games are almost identical in terms of gameplay, but I'd say the first was better overall. The second one goes on for a bit too long and thus manages to overstay it's welcome, while the first is short, sweet, and compact, exactly what a handheld RPG should strive to be.

Plus, I have a personal grudge against some of the stupid dungeons in the second game. Damn water cave temple thing.
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:12
Neroisonfire
I'll go with the original. It was decent, and I enjoyed it.
Birdman the Friendly's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:13
Birdman the Friendly
Because they are identical gameplay wise, in my head they're just one game.
If I had to choose though, I'd go with The Lost Age.

Also, GS compilation for DS please.
Frigidevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:20
Frigidevil
The Lost Age actually had a nice twist to it, and as much as I loved Golden Sun, the story was basically every single RPG combined into one story that didn't even have reason. There was essentially no back story on Sautoros and Menardi, they were just bad guys who wanted to destroy the world. GS:TLA solved this, and for that I say it's the better game
Woopman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:22
Woopman
I've only played the first one, so...Golden Sun.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:25
Shadowiii
Golden Sun totally had the sweetest battle music I've heard in a long time. Second game wasn't nearly as good, though the fact you could port your finished characters was neat.
So...first Golden Sun.
Kylehyde's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:27
Kylehyde
I think that is a little hard making a debate about those games, specially because technically both games were originally conceived as one. But I have to say that the firts Golden Sun wins the first spot in my personal ranking of favorite games of all time.

The reason, the party of the first game is more lovable, also for some strange reason I felt that I explored more places in the first game even that the second game has more places, but this was in partly that the distances that you have to make from one place to another in the second game were really long. This also repercuted in the plot development, in the first game you learn many things in a very short succesion of events, in the second game felt a little slow paced in that aspect.

But I have to admit that second has many interested twist that put "The Lost Age" in the second place of favorite games.

In short words I choose Golden Sun 1.

But I have to admit that the second game has many
Lunarlink's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:33
Lunarlink
The Lost Age. While the first one may be nostalgic, the second one tops it in every aspect. More summons, more psynergy powers, more dungeons, the works. You even get all the old characters from the first game, which blew my mind.

Although, I'm going to have to agree with thelostwoods here and say that I think of them both as one huge game.
OtakuDad's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 22:47
OtakuDad
The Lost Age.

The first one really wasn't anything but setup for it anyway (makes sense, given that they're two parts of the same game).

Also, Piers' name in the JPN version is Picard, and that's awesome.
Gilthalas's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 23:08
Gilthalas
Both were excellent games and it's a difficult choice to make. I always felt like I connected with the characters and story a lot more in the first one but the second one offered so much more to do AND saw the return of the first characters.

I guess it has to be Lost Age though. Can't really justify why, other than the fact it lasted longer (I think).
Crazybot's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 23:09
Crazybot
Really liked the first one just couldn't get into Lost Age that much
AwesomeJon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 23:09
AwesomeJon
I'd say the first one. The world felt more real to me and Issac kept his trap shut for the entire game.
Azzurus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 23:13
Azzurus
The original Golden Sun is my personal favorite. I think the mystery of who the characters were and the story taking unexpected twists and turns pulled me in. The second one was bigger, I'll grant it that, but it just didn't seem to have that same magic that the first one did to me.
Ball Buster's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 23:15
Ball Buster
The second one. It does everything a good sequel should- GS2 takes everything the original did, and makes it bigger and better. More bosses, more job classes, more spells, more summons, and some very satisfying bonus dungeons. Also, the ending for that game is very satisfying. The original kinda has a cliffhanger ending, but the second one has a strong sense of closure.
2dsonicfan91's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 23:24
2dsonicfan91
The Lost Age, I suppose. Even though it did lose focus for a while in the middle (I got to Poseidon before getting even a prong of the Trident, and kept wondering what it was I needed to do before I gave up and bought a strategy guide...), I ended up not having to grind nearly as much (which I hate) as compared to the first one.
RTsharpshooter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/26/2010 23:47
RTsharpshooter
I liked The Lost Age more, not only because the story began moving in a more interesting direction, but also because it packed in quite a bit more content than the original, not to mention more challenging fights.
The only boss I ever had trouble with in the original was Deadbeard.
Dullahan in TLA is in a whole other league!
And the summons, oh my...Catastrophe is still to this day, my favourite RPG summon ever.
aerowannabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 00:00
aerowannabe
I'm going to continue the trend of saying that the two games were essentially the same with Lost Age being more of a continuation than a sequel, and say that if I have to choose, I go with Lost Age.
The first game was amazing for sure. The opening is awesome (love the thunderstorm), summons blew me away, dungeon designs were satisfying, characters were likeable, music was great and the story was very engrossing.
To understand what everyone means by Lost Age being a continuation, think of Final Fantasy VII. Everything taking place in Midgar is almost a game in and of itself. Then, once you get out of Midgar, more of the world is open to you and the story is not quite what you thought it was. This is what the Lost Age did. Finding out the two different parties' intentions for what they're doing made it kind of hard to root for one side or the other. Then add in even more summons, being able to switch your party members mid battle, more bosses and even more fun dungeons, the Lost Age is just all around better to me.
Granted, I did play both of them with strategy guides (except for the dungeons, i chose to be on my own for those), so I wouldn't be able to say whether or not they had confusing progression.

tl:dr Lost Age
Aara123's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 00:27
Aara123
Golden Sun II
Sobaskets's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 00:35
Sobaskets
I'm gonna vote for the Original. The lost age was great, as it was still Golden Sun, but I remember playing the Original for the first time and just being completely blown away. That RPG is better than some of the newer ones that have came out recently simply because it's enjoyable
arsons just a felony's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 01:16
arsons just a felony
I have never know satisfaction on such a complete level as I did from getting 100% in The Lost Age, also, with all the best equipment and all characters at lvl. 100 the final boss is actually pretty fun.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 01:40
007
It's actually kind of hard to say considering that Golden Sun and The Lost Age were pretty much 1 game... even then, if I had to choose, I'd pick The Lost Age. Crazy twist, deeper characters, and a much larger world to explore.
Geno27's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 01:50
Geno27
I say the original Golden Sun... but only because it came out first and therefore had the lasting "wow" factor.

The two games to me really are 2 halves of one game/story, as opposed to 2 separate games. The developers hardly changed much after the first (it didn't need anything anyway) thus the games are essentially identical excluding the continued story.
Bolduk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 02:14
Bolduk
Wow I really have a story behind the Golden Sun series.

I accidentally bought The Lost Age without knowing anything about the game. In fact I was a video games virgin. I was very young and I mixed by purchase with another game I wanted at the time. When I arrived at home I was kind of pissed for making such a stupid error, but I soon realized this was one of the best RPGs of all time. I played the original afterward but it was not the same even though I was finaly able to understand the background of that story telling masterpiece. Damn it makes me want to play it again from the beginning. I'm seriously thinking about buying a DS just for GS3!
Celdurant's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/27/2010 02:45
Celdurant
The Lost Age. Eight playable characters that are switchable mid-battle, expanded world map exploration (one of my favorite compartments of RPGs), and challenging optional bosses. They both were amazing though.
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