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Game SERIES Debate to the Death! EarthBound (Mother) photo

EarthBound, which has always been known as Mother overseas, started out as one of the most beloved RPG series of its time, remained one of the most cherished series all throughout the 1990s, and has since then proven that it stands the test of time with ease. However, with the release of Mother 3 a few years ago, many are divided as to which game deserves the crown, and that's precisely what we're going to determine this week!

As for last week's debate between both K.OT.O.R. games, Dtoid reader Jarmel summed up most voters' opinions with "This is like comparing Modern Warfare to World at War." Here are the results:

  • K.O.T.O.R. (57 votes) -- Winner!
  • K.O.T.O.R. II: The Sith Lords (14 votes)

I've got a feeling this week's discussion might be similar to the Fallout series debate, where many expected the most recent game of the series to win with ease, only to see a strong surge of support for one of its predecessors. Will the battle between EarthBound and Mother 3 live up to my expectations? Will it be a landslide? Or will one of the other games in the series pull off a surprise win? Anything can happen, and the outcome is all in your hands!

Which game in the EarthBound / Mother series is the best, and why? What sets your pick apart from the other games in the series? Sell me on the idea! Get me stoked to see it compete in the RPG tournament! Give it some serious thought, share your reasoning with all of us, and then check back next week to see how your game did!








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Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:35
Monodi
Mother 3 is the most knife twisting end to a story. It has brilliant turnarounds and a good mprovisation in the gameplay making it a very unique RPG system to what was already a unique style.

EarthBound should be on second place in a very close tie, it has it's own flavor. After all Mother 3's full effect wouldn't be detonated without playing this one first.
Birdman the Friendly's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:35
Birdman the Friendly
Getting in quick to say that I thought Mother 3 was way better than Earthbound. I'd go into more detail but I'm posting from my phone!
Caspulex's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:38
Caspulex
Mother 3 is the best game ever.

Earthbound was second. But Mother 3 was just...incredible. First and only game in my life to make me shed one manly tear.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:40
Fronz
Little known secret:

Sometimes on Tuesday nights after I hit post, I will brew a cup of coffee or pour a large glass of something tasty, and then sit down and hit F5. And I'm always fucking thrilled at how many comments come in so quickly! You guys rock, and I just want you to know that I still read every single one of your comments most weeks!

Keep on kicking ass, Dtoid Army.
mooseifer69's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:41
mooseifer69
Now what I want to know is how many of this game's fans actually played the game legally.
Solatrus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:42
Solatrus
While I like EarthBound considerably more than Mother 3, that's mostly due to nostalgic reasons. Mother 3 builds upon and improves upon everything that EarthBound lacked, which wasn't much, at least for me.

So, Mother 3 is the winner, but only by a very, very tiny bit.
Sir Tobbii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:45
Sir Tobbii
Mother 3 was amazing, but the first Mother is still the best.
Etansel's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:46
Etansel
So...conflicted...

I'd have to side with Mother 3 on this one. I still own and occasionally play my original copy of EarthBound, but Mother 3 had an amazing story ending.

P.S. Although I admit I played the Fan-Trans of Mother 3, I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was ever actually released here.
EggmaniMN's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:48
EggmaniMN
This is literally impossible to answer due to how absolutely personal the games tend to be. Earthbound dealing with the affects on Ness as he ventures away from his mother to find his true self and destiny and Mother 3 over how far a family is willing to go because of their mother/wife.

Earthbound and Mother 3 are both the pinnacles of gaming.
GREENGUY's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:52
GREENGUY
Mother 3 is awesome. I always have fun playing it no matter how many times I play it.
It's the most funnest Mother game EVAR
ScurvySee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 20:55
ScurvySee
Earthbound, no question. I feel the music was better and I enjoyed every minute of it. Not to mention its a part of my childhood I'll never forget. Did I mention scratch n sniff stickers?
texasgoldrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:00
texasgoldrush
Mother 3

The best JRPG since Suikoden II....

Really Mother 3 is to brothers what Suikoden II was to best friends.

Mother 3 also does what JRPGs don't....not take itself seriously for most of the game but still be about serious issues.
breeman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:00
breeman
Mother 3!! I even played it in Japanese with only the English menu patch before the full fan translation. Then played it again when the translation was out. Loved every minute of it. Earthbound is a close second. Very nostalgic, but Mother 3 took Earthbound to a whole new level. Even the original Mother is a fun ride. But Mother 3 is the grand finale.
texasgoldrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:03
texasgoldrush
When will whe have the big RPG tourney?

When will the Ultima series, Wizardry series, Mana series, Might and Magic series, and even the SSI Gold Box series go?

Will Planescape Torment be in?
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:04
D-503
Goin' with Mother 3
CityExile's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:04
CityExile
I have to give some love to Earthbound. While Mother 3 did many things well, Earthbound was a near perfect experience. Everything from the characters to the style and sense of humor was so fresh at the time and it still holds up remarkably well today. I appreciate how Mother 3 told its tale, but Earthbound is still my favorite game 15 years after first playing it
True Axiom's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:08
True Axiom
Earthbound is good. Earthbound is great. One of my favorite games ever, in fact. But Mother 3 is what video games were meant to be. It is almost perfect, and a master's course in video game design by itself.

So Mother 3 is my vote. But Earthbound is 1B to Mother 3.
Matt Welch's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:08
Matt Welch
@mooseifer69 They haven't exactly made it *easy* to play the games legally. Earthbound isn't out on the VC. And if you even want a shot at playing Mother 3 you have to use a fan translation therefore you have to play it illegally.
schuylerv's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:09
schuylerv
Hmm I liked all the games a whole lot but imma go with mother because I doubt many people will go with that. I loved playing through an NES RPG that I hadn't played before during the PS2's era.
GoodGuyA's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:10
GoodGuyA
Jeez. I have to keep sitting these games out. At least this time I have a good reason >>
Lazerpig's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:10
Lazerpig
Mother is clearly the best.

Just kidding, Mother was terrible.

Earthbound is my favorite.
ScurvySee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:12
ScurvySee
See my problem is with Mother 3 is a hardware issue. I can only find it as a ROM and it is therefore fundamentally flawed. I'm probably just bias cause I accidentally hit save state on the menu screen instead of defrost after I had already sunk hours into it. If only the emulator would let me save the game with the frogs.
Woopman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:21
Woopman
Mother 3, definitively. I loved EarthBound, but Mother 3 was more emotional, it had a bigger impact on me, and is a better game all around.
J03yyz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:21
J03yyz
oddly enough i am just taking a break from a playthrough of Earthbound (mother 2)...
Mother 3 was damn amazing, but Earthbound just has so much nostalgic value to it

my vote will have to be Earthbound (mother 2)
JHJS4LIFE's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:22
JHJS4LIFE
bah EB and M3 are both so perfect. I guess like the aesthetic of earthbound slightly more than mother 3, so I'll go with that.

the one thing M3 does have for sure is better bosses. In EB you pretty much just have to spam your strongest attacks and heal accordingly; whereas mother 3's bosses will fuck you up if you dont use the right strategies.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:26
Tristero
Mother 3 gets my vote. It has one of the finest game localizations I've ever come across, and the fact that it was done for free out of passion for the game and wanting to share the experience with others makes it even better.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:29
Fronz
@texasgoldrush: It's still most likely 1.5 - 2 months away before it starts. I know. It's going to be extremely large and drawn out, but this isn't a tournament I plan on doing again for like a decade, so I didn't want to half ass it. And yes, Planescape Torment already has a spot solidified due to the amount of requests it received in week 1's reader RPG tournament suggestion article.

I've got a .doc file with all the contenders in it, and it's going to come down to a little more than 32, which means eventually I'll be doing a 2 part (2 week) finish to the qualifiers, where I show all the of games that remain, with only 1 or 2 spots left open, and have week 1 letting any other games be requested to join the battle royale, and then week 2 be that bloodbath until only 1 or 2 remain. Then the tournament will start the week after.

It's definitely going to make the epic Street Fighter tournament look puny in size by comparison.
Tristero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:33
Tristero
I will say that although the first Mother is my least favorite of the 3, it's still completely awesome and sort of neglected. If you like 8-bit games, and have the patience for a little bit of grinding, I think you'll be blown away by what it brings to the table. There's no way it's winning this debate, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth trying.
Frigidevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:34
Frigidevil
Well I'm playing Mother now, so I'll vote for that one.
Sonic9jct's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:35
Sonic9jct
Mother 3. It was a bit more fantastical than Earthbound was, but when I played Mother 3, I got this feeling that I would never EVER see another game like it. Not from Nintendo or any other company.
MisterGrieves's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:36
MisterGrieves
Both moved me tremendously, but I have to give the nod to Mother 3. Earthbound will always be my first, but Mother 3 just took it up about twenty notches in every direction.
Butternine's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:36
Butternine
I'm going to say Earthbound, just because I have fonder memories of it.

Mother 3 is technically a better game to me, but I have a closer affinity to Earthbound.

I haven't played Mother (Earthbound Zero) yet, so I can't comment on it. :)
Chewey Bangles's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:36
Chewey Bangles
Earthbound has aged very badly (so has Mother 1, but that goes without saying).

Mother 3, on the other hand, is one of my favourite JRPGS.
LazerJoe88's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:40
LazerJoe88
Mother 3 all the way. So many memorable moments in that game.
EtherGK's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 21:41
EtherGK
It's a tough one. The first Mother was alright, music was the best part of it and the simple charming story going on. The Nostalgic gamer in me wants to say Earthbound 2 what with it's amazing memorable charm and great memorable music 20 times better than the first. Its just a great mesh of its characters, quotes and memes and just everything that goes good with the whole package that makes the Mother games Mother.

Mother 3 on the other hand feels a lot more on the emotional side for me, focusing more on the emotional story than the charm, but I guess a better story really is stronger. The music is once again amazing, memorable, and gut wrenching when it reminds you of the sad parts of the story. Actually scratch that Mother 3 is also just as charming as ever.

But the fact of the matter is, Lucas will never be Ness. I mean just look at Lucas and his hairdo. Compare it with Ness, and his thugged out swag (crooked cap). Lucas is the typical emo boy (not that he doesn't have good reason to be sad). All the games are amazing at what they do and how they bring that charm but all in all I choose Earthbound. Ness, Paula, Jeff, Poo... Mother 3 main heroes don't come close to the classic.
Ball Buster's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:03
Ball Buster
Mother 3. It takes all the offbeat humor of Earthbound and amplifies it. Add a touching story and diverse, unforgettable soundtrack and you have a winner.

Earthbound was fun, but Mother 3 streamlined the system while pulling at my heartstrings at the same time. Story and gameplay run on two separate rails, just like they always have for JRPGs, but Mother 3's track is 3000 karat gold.

First, the gameplay: The Dragon-Quest-style battles stay pretty much the same, (I could never get the music combos down) but it's easier to avoid encounters now and only fight when you feel like it. Earthbound had the same visible enemies, but it took some real fancy footwork to actually stay out of battle. Besides that, boss fights got a considerable difficulty upgrade. Earthbound's boss fights were always lightning affairs- either you waste the boss in under 5 turns, or you wipe because you didn't buy enough bottle rockets. In Mother 3, every chapter ended with a satisfying battle. There were a lot of times when Lucas and Kumatora ran all out of PP for healing, and I had to desperately attack and hope the boss died before my HP rolled down to zero.

And of course, the story. There be spoilers here. The game sure knows how to trigger emotions. I rarely feel anything for the characters in games, but this game brought me to tears several times. The death of your mother, the private farewell concert for Duster, your mother's ghost saving you from a death, and the list goes on. I remember whispering "no..." at my screen when your dad protects you from the final boss' attack, then falls to the ground. And of course, there was plenty of brighter moments as well. The coffee breaks are oddly soothing after a rough chapter. And never has a boss fight made me laugh more than the ending for the Barrier Trio.

I played Earthbound and enjoyed it, but M3 blows it out of the water. Earthbound has all the makings of a good RPG. But M3 tells me what makes a great RPG.

I tried playing Mother, but couldn't get into it. I've played games with random encounters before, but this game's encounter rate is heinous. There's no reason why I should have to walk across the world map 1-3 tiles at a time.
Paperclip's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:08
Paperclip
As much as I love both for their creativity, humour, music, and stories, Mother 3 definitely wins in my mind. I played Mother 3 first, and was amazed with it's deep battle system, hilarious dialog, and heart wrenching story. It's my favorite game in the universe, and there will never be anything like it again. And after playing Mother 3, I felt that everything in Earthbound just felt so outdated. After Mother 3 it was difficult to make the transition to the more boring battle system, and other little tweaks that were made since Mother 3 to make the experience more enjoyable.

Since I played Mother 3 first, I disagree with EtherGK with the characters. I felt the main characters were instantly more likeable than the characters in Earthbound. They just have an abundance of more personality to them. The characters in Earthbound almost feel lifeless in comparison. All the characters had motivation for completing their quest. With Earthbound characters it was just save the world 'cause it's what has to be done. I even felt that Boney (the dog) had more personality than Jeff or Paula. Boney was the dog that loves his masters (Lucas and Flint) and had to help them with all of their endeavors. Jeff just had a dream from Paula, and Paula just had a vision. I did love Poo though, I thought the sequence where he had to master Mu was fantastic.

Mother 3 is the clear winner for me, but in the end, they both stand tall as pinnacles of the RPG genre, and should be played by all. (plus Mother 3 had the Magypsies, so ya, instant win right there)
Popyman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:09
Popyman
Mother 3. It's one of the few games that is pure art.
Fergus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:09
Fergus
I have to go with Mother 3, i loved the story and character in the game and it was the most entertaining of the three. The ending sucked tho

Earthbound is close second.
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:11
RichardBlaine
To me it's an easy vote for Mother 2/Earthbound. Mother 3 was great, there's no doubt about that; but I really was disappointed by the ending. The first few chapters were epic. I loved the overlapping stories and everything. I kind of wanted it to keep doing that, but it stopped after a while for obvious leveling and story progression reasons. Then it was just the usual Mother silliness for the next third or so of the game (which was cool). I kept waiting for everything to come together in a meaningful way, but then the last chapter rolls around and A) If you haven't played the previous games, and even if you have in my case, the story just straight up stops making sense and B) You see the "twist" coming about halfway through the game, which gives you plenty of time to deal with it before it occurs. Don't get me wrong, I found the opening and closing to be pretty emotional, especially because my family (like many) is comprised of two parents, two sons, and a dog, so I was right there. I just felt like the opening was this epic story that just sort of stopped and then the ending was this sort of deus ex machina that came out of having a previous knowledge of the series. Earthbound on the other hand never disappointed me. It was an out-there and bizarre experience from the get go, but it always played by its own rules. It lacks some of the solid storytelling of Mother 3's opening, but for whatever reason I remember my experience with Earthbound to be completely satisfying. I wouldn't have really changed anything about it.
gendo7's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:14
gendo7
My heart tells me to go with Earthbound, but my head is telling me to go with Mother 3. Such a hard decision!!! >_<

Alright, I'm gonna vote Earthbound/Mother 2, just because of the music. <3
Gamescook's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:20
Gamescook
I just want the opportunity to buy Earthbound and play it on my Wii for $10-15. Is it asking so much? I should know what I'm missing out on.
bardock's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:25
bardock
earthbound.the music, setting, and overall supporting cast are the best.the story may not be as emotional as mother 3 but it was still really well done.
Guncannon's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:30
Guncannon
Mother 1. Just so that game will show up on the list...
Ball Buster's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:30
Ball Buster
@Gamescook

It's Dragon Quest, but replace the swords and armor with baseball bats and t shirts, and replaces the puns with cracks at American culture. That's the best way I could describe it.
Darklink's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:33
Darklink
Fronz, what about Earthbound Zero, good sir? I know it won't get the top spot, but it should at least be in there to be voted on.

My pick is Mother 3: Awesome story, intense battle system, not to mention an artistic style that I wish was used more often.
ScooneySteve's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:38
ScooneySteve
Mother 3 is fantastic, probably my favorite RPG ever. I really loved Earthbound, but playing Mother 3 it was ridiculous how much better things worked. Of course, it was made better having played Earthbound, but still Mother 3 all the way.
Deth Garcia's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:39
Deth Garcia
being "legal", mother 3 was never released worldwide
but this game was so freaking epic for a GBA game.
i vote mother 3
glandseck's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:40
glandseck
I'm going to go against the general grain and go with Earthbound. It was much easier to relate to the setting, and the sense of exploration was far more palpable. It just felt way more genuine to be running around a modern town and having an adventure without being presented with an obvious bad guy doing blatantly bad-guy things, despite Mother3 turning out a tad more complex than that.
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/27/2010 22:41
Monte
Earthbound... why? because Mother 3 never came to the states, thus i never played it and can not vote for it
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