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Last week we made progress on our journey of selecting all the contenders for the massive RPG game debate tournament that is drawing near. Unlike the week before last, we found an almost unanimous decision for what will surely be one of the most formidable fighters in the future. Here are the results:

  • Suikoden II (44 votes) -- Winner!
  • Suikoden V (6 votes)
  • Suikoden I (5 votes)
  • Suikoden III (1 vote)
  • Suikoden IV (1 vote)

This week is the same as last week, except now you're all discussing which Breath of Fire game was the best out of the entire series. Which one game is so good that it deserves a spot in the tournament to fight on behalf of all the others that don't make the cut?

What Breath of Fire game should make it to the tournament brackets and why? What sets it apart from every other game in its series? Sell me on the idea! Get me stoked to see it compete in the tournament! Give it some serious thought, share your reasoning with all of us, and then check back next week to see how your game did!

Bonus Question: Which game in the series is your least favorite? Why?








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rockydil's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:42
rockydil
One. Time has shown that Capcom should never have been given the reigns to the series without the sagely tutelage of the 16-bit era Square.
Funktastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:47
Funktastic
Hands down BREATH OF FIRE III! It had an incredibly compelling story, it was a benchmark for RPGs in terms of the "Master" system, it had great sidequests and mini-games like the fishing and the fairy village. The characters all really had great attributes to them, and their personalities and such really shone through, as well as the level of customization the "Master" system gave you was awesome, especially with Peco . . . who is a freaking fighting onion!!! I mean if you know me, I don't play a ton of games, just collect them, and I'm playing it RIGHT NOW on my PSP!!! ^_^

In terms of least favorite, I'd say BREATH OF FIRE V, even though it was still a good game, I didn't like how much it branched from the series.
Matthew Blake's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:48
Matthew Blake
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. Admittedly, it's the only one that I've played, but I've got to give it props for trying something different.
hswbaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:49
hswbaz
Breath of Fire 2.

BoF1 would be a close 2nd, the rest are all meh.
I Use Valtrex's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:49
I Use Valtrex
I guess I liked 3 the best, sans that whole wandering in the desert for hours part.

This series will always be known to me for those ridiculous HP bars for the bosses. Got it all the way down? Ohhhhhhh no. You're just getting started.
Brandnamecommercial's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:52
Brandnamecommercial
BoFIV for me. Played all of them except 3 and 5, so I can't speak for 3's greatness. I just know IV will always have a soft spot in my heart. I still go back to that game every year or so.
esin's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:53
esin
Dragon Quarter. First Rpg in a loong time to have the balls to be something different. It could have been a real gem if the story were more fleshed out and the gameplay more polished to cut down on redundancy.
schuylerv's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:54
schuylerv
BOF5 even though it doesnt really represent the rest of the series very well
KamikazeCactuar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:54
KamikazeCactuar
Breath of fire IV. I loved everything about it and thought the characters were the best out of the entire series.
Heojaua's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:55
Heojaua
BoF 2. First RPG ever for me.
kylamity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:57
kylamity
Breath of Fire 1 and 2 for GBA equals PWNCALYPSE
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:57
Dv8thwonder
Breath of Fire 1. The Chun-Li Easter egg alone should make this a no-brainer.
Tyler Jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 21:58
Tyler Jones
Breath of Fire II. It's tied with FFVI for my favorite RPG ever.

It's set in a really colorful and beautiful world, and has great music and memorable characters. The translation is a little bad here and there, but that doesn't hurt it too much overall.
akinney77's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:03
akinney77
Breath of fire dragon quarter. dont hate me its just my favorite
TheRemix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:03
TheRemix
Wow, really miss the BoF series, and hope to see it make a triumphant return at some point. Personally, I think that Breath of Fire 2 and 3 are some of the RPGs I've ever played, but when it comes down to it, I personally like Breath of Fire 3 the best. It pretty much had everything that a person that played the earlier BoFs could of wanted, and improved on them in so many ways. So many easter eggs were in that game that related to the previous BoFs, that it easily touched on the nostalgia from the first few games. Even the intro screen is a depiction of your party from the first BoF, which drew me in since I remembered the scene that the game had used. Will also never forget a lot of the humor that was in the game, and the unexpected moments that came from them. And also, I was happy to see Bleu/Deis in 32-bit form, for the first time. Could go on and on about this game.

Least favorite has to go to Dragon Quarter. I refuse to acknowledge that game as part of the main series, since Breath of Fire had spent years building up what was supposed to be an awesome an beautiful vibrant world, with places and people to see, and mythical beast to battle, or befriend. Dragon Quarter pretty much pissed all over it, and based the whole thing in a dank, boring underground facility. It was also the first RPG I was ever forced to beat in a certain amount of time, or all my hours of playing would be for nothing, as i would be forced to start over again. This game did have it's good points, but they were few and far between. Hope to see another Breath of Fire that continues to use the world that was given to it in the original 4 games, mainly because I want the chance to have Deis back in my party after all these years!
Switch's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:04
Switch
Breath of Fire 3. my first RPG that i actually played all the way through. still love that game, the gene-splicing system for transforming into a dragon, the master system, the characters and most importantly the story. man i love that game!
g-off's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:06
g-off
Dragon quarter, motherfuckers. It's by far the most unique game in the series, and the innovation, while offputting to longtime fans, actually worked really well.
Clown Baby's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:09
Clown Baby
3 no doubt

4 would take second place to me, then 2/1 and 5 (since I never played it)

I still have 3 and 4, amazing games.
True Axiom's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:09
True Axiom
This is tough. V was really, insanely unique, and a lot of fun, but it had a lot of problems. II was fun, in that old school way, but...it doesn't stack up anymore.

I'm going to say III, though. Because it was the most compelling story-wise, had a very interesting leveling system (the masters), and my favorite cast of characters.

Capcom needs to revive the series, though. A 16 bit remake (a la Mega Man) would possibly be awesome, and so would a modern, stylized remake. Really, I just want another Breath of Fire game.
pneuma08's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:16
pneuma08
BOF 3. Playing through 2 now, or was playing through 2, and it has impressed me in how long everything goes, and how innovative the series was at the time. Still, 3 beats it out. I loved 4 as well, but it seemed somewhat...unoriginal or something at that point. (I only recall vague feelings of playing it years ago.)
Cyril's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:17
Cyril
I agree with Lucas Says. V is probably the best -game- in the series, but as a Breath of Fire game, it doesn't fit. The fact that people complain about a "time limit" shows how incredibly effective the D-Counter is in adding to the atmosphere to the game. It would take a lot of time of simply running through the game to even get close to 100%. You can clear every non Korkon-Horay zone, including all optional areas, and still not break 30%.

I also say III is my favorite. Tiny Ryu running around in an overly large T-Shirt is the most adorable thing ever.
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:18
bluemeep
BOF2 for me. The plot as-is already borders on a batshit level of insanity, but when you throw in the Babelfish translation, it transcends into something truly glorious. The city building metagame, the hunting and fishing, my pantsless waifu Katt... I could go on.
Ninjabunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:19
Ninjabunny
Definitely Breath of Fire 3! It's actually close with two and three. Oh fuck it the only one that I didn't extremely like was dragon quarter. I love specific characters from every series. Bow, Mogu, Karn, Katt, Rei, Teepo, etc etc. Then there was the combination thingy in BoF2 and I loved 3 because of all the genes and how you could make your own dragon. I have to say 1 and 4 are the least memorable although it's hard to put one on the bottom over the others. I loved dragon quarters innovation but talk about punishment. I got almost all the way to the end before I realized I had used too much dragon energy too early on and was stuck. This is easily my favorite series evar but that could be because it was one of the first RPGs I played. I remember reading the manual after having to ask what the hell agility and stamina were (i think this is because I was using a game genie to cheat and wanted to know which stat to pad).

Personal history lesson aside, gun to my head I say BoF3 is the best and Quarter is the worst (although it pains me to think of any of them in a negative light)

Can we all just go bug the shit out of capcom to continue this franchise now?
teriyakiCHICKEN's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:23
teriyakiCHICKEN
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter is the best.
desafinado's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:31
desafinado
DRAGON QUARTER
FUCK THE TRADITIONALISTS
The Grudge's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:32
The Grudge
Breath of Fire 2 and if 2 dies, then 3.
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:33
D-503
Only one I ever played was Breath of Fire II for the GBA when I was a lot younger. Still have it, never beat it, but I remember liking it. So that one IS the best!
Stinky's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:39
Stinky
Who renamed Ryu to "FUCK"?
stay's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:40
stay
Breath of fire I.
Rupert Scarr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:52
Rupert Scarr
Definitely the first one for me, with BoFIII coming in 2nd.

I never got a copy of IV or Dragon Quarter, so naturally I'd have to place BoFII as my least favorite, as I didn't get it when it first came out and simply didn't spend nearly as much time with it as I did with I and III. Between partying it up in Camlon in the first game and powerleveling the hell out of Rei, Ryu, and Garr in the third, I rarely took any time to mess with II. Hell, I still haven't beaten it, haha.

Remembering all of the badass fusion moves you could learn with Gobi, the ridiculous magical attacks you got with Bleu, and the incomparable feeling of awesome you got when you transformed into a dragon that practically took up the entire goddamn screen for the very first time, I simply have to vote in favor of the series debut.

Damn, now I want to go back and replay it.
Handbrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:54
Handbrain
Wow, a lot more love for Dragon Quarter than I expected. It was hectic, you had a time limit, and there's a cat girl for no reason. Totally loved that game. More RPGs need to fan out into new areas like that.
bobyoko's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:55
bobyoko
the breath of fire series is b rate at best.
Rupert Scarr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:55
Rupert Scarr
*Correction to my post: Meant to type "Karn" instead of Gobi. Gobi could transform into a giant fish, but wasn't anywhere near as cool as that weird-ass roly poly thing you got with Karn, Ox and Gobi.
agentarsenic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 22:57
agentarsenic
Breath of Fire IV was great with BoFIII coming in a close second (BOFIII loses for repetitive battles).

Dragon Quarter was the worst, but still decent.
Nightsama's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:13
Nightsama
Enjoyed the whole series really but, IV by a hair over III. III was the point where they finally managed to get the dragon transformations right (way too OP in I, and crap in II), and IV just refined it even more.
Morty's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:19
Morty
BoF3! Still one of the best rpgs i've played. just love it. Unfortunately I have just the poor tramslated German version. Hmm, I am thinking...
Is it actually possible to download psone classics from the American store in Germany using not a creditcard but points i bought before?
Guardian Phoenix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:24
Guardian Phoenix
Wow, this is a tough one for me. It comes down to 1 & 2, but i'm gonna have to say Breath of Fire 1 is my favorite. Just the whole feel of the game and the fantastic music really drew me into the game. Not to mention that half woman, half snake sorceress Bleu. I used to decimate the enemies with her spells. Good times.
Least fav? That's easy, Dragon Quarter. It changed too much and tried to be something it wasn't meant to be. It lost some of the feel and great characters of the older ones in the process.
Shoop's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:27
Shoop
Breath of Fire III for nostalgic reasons, but Dragon Quarter is one of the coolest games I've ever played
kaizokuonii's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:29
kaizokuonii
For me, this is pretty easy: Breath of Fire 2

This game has a great cast of characters, all of which can be very helpful in battles, and even though it has a standard turn-based battle system, I don't think I ever found the battles or the power leveling I did to be boring once. Ever. Not to mention the AWESOME music throughout the game--all of it very stylish and fitting to the mood of the game.

But for me, the best part of the game was the story--at the time, I believe it was one of the first console games to use the "established religion as the enemy" schtick, and that made for a very dramatic and climactic endgame. Not to mention the dark mood set from the outset with the opening, the overarching story, and the music was one my favorites in any game ever, not to mention on my SNES.

Also, least favorite BoF--Breath of Fire 1. Any and All complaints I have about this is that if you knew what you were doing, a bit more than halfway through the game every boss fight devolved into an Agni slugging match that needed no more than just some healing items and you hitting the a button to trade blows. Good until then--but incredibly boring after that.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:31
the7k
Breath of Fire III. Just a well-rounded game, with plenty of side-projects to partake in. The introduction of Examine and the Masters System was great, and so were the characters. And there was nothing more satisfying than transforming into a dragon. I honestly consider Breath of Fire III the best RPG on the PSX... or at least the best obtainable RPG. I can't really speak for all the games that have been priced out of reach.

Also really loved Breath of Fire II. Loved the characters (Especially Katt, Bow and Rand), and the Shamanism system was epic. Allowed for a lot of character variety. One of my favorite SNES RPGs, although it was overshadowed by Final Fantasy VI and Chrono Trigger. Still, a necessary addition to any self-respecting SNES collector.

Breath of Fire IV was colorful, sure, but it lacked a lot of the extras - especially useful skills you can use outside of battle. Also, aside from Ursala, I didn't care for any of the characters in BOF4. It just lacks all of the lore of Breath of Fire, looking more like a typical JRPG than a true member of the series. Also, the music in BOF4 is no where near as good as BOF3. Dragon transformations sucked. All in all, it felt like Breath of Fire IV was trying to be like a Final Fantasy.
Vanilla Gorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:32
Vanilla Gorilla
BoFIV. I started writing a fucking novel about how that one was the greatest, but you probably don't give a shit.

BoFIV > BoFIII > BoFII > BoFDQ > BoF

But not by much, they're all pretty fucking fantastic. Just the super ultra old school Breath of Fire is very orthodox by RPG standards. Every Breath of Fire afterwards gained new content and features that continually made it better than the last.

BoFDQ (it isn't "V" in the States, btw) is stand alone since it takes place in a separate universe with completely different gameplay. It is a fantastic game, but I'd put it on par with BoF2, all things considered. BoF3 and 4 were the pinnacle of the series, in my fanboy opinion.
E Prinny's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:35
E Prinny
Breath of Fire 3 is my personal favorite but 2 is pretty good as well


Yet Breath of fire 5 killed the series for me the story wasn't as good as 3 and 4. Also the character designs were just bad.
Mikejenni's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:44
Mikejenni
Breath of Fire 3!!!
Grimspoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:49
Grimspoon
Please, Breath of Fire II.
Malfegor's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:50
Malfegor
Breath of Fire IV

It was really hard to choose between III and IV, as they are both awesome games, but BoF IV takes the cake, because i still try to replay it every year or so. Goddamn the nostalgia. I think i will start a new save right now!
Breath of Fire is also the only Jrpg series i still care about.
I wish Capcom would make another BoF game ;_;
Halidar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/02/2010 23:51
Halidar
Breath of Fire 3 is very close to being my favorite rpg of all time.

And I loath Dragon Quarter.
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2010 00:01
DemonEyes23
BOF 3 by a landslide not sure what the rest of you are smoking. also if you haven't played BOF3 then you shouldn't even be allowed to vote.
spoo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2010 00:02
spoo
Breath of Fire II is one of the greatest RPG games ever made.

I have played through every BoF game when they were new releases except BoF:DQ, hell I still have no ambition to go through that.

1: BoF II
2: BoF IV
3: BoF
4: BoF III *Yes it is the weakest in the series (I can't believe their are so many votes for it. I'm guessing it is because to many posters here were to young when BoF 1 & BoF II when it was new and BoF IV was overlooked because it came out 14 days after Final Fantasy IX in NA!)
Demarco's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2010 00:36
Demarco
3 all the way
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