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It's almost like the caricatures of videogaming in other media. It's like we're selling gaming to the people who thought it never made it past mario.
" somewhat dependent on the physical object in your hand. "
Just like the vast majority of gaming experiences.
Move. That is all.
Just like the vast majority of gaming experiences.
Move. That is all.
I agree with sexualchocolate, I don't really see how you can play these games well without a physical object in hand.
Microsoft seems to have missed the potential of Kinect, it's become more and more of a knockoff of the Wii, and will do nothing different.
Of course they can prove me wrong, which is be glad to be.
Microsoft seems to have missed the potential of Kinect, it's become more and more of a knockoff of the Wii, and will do nothing different.
Of course they can prove me wrong, which is be glad to be.
I love Nintendo, but I hate that their success has "inspired" Microsoft and Sony to unleash more of this stuff on the world. Oh well, as long as one or two truly awesome games eventually comes along using the new motion control schemes, it'll be worth it I suppose. This clearly won't be one of them, though.
So really, the only 'hardcore' game I've seen to come out Kinect that isn't just minigame crap is Child of Eden.
... someone doesnt know how companies work.
This doesnt go to a large focus group, if it even does at all. These games are super easy to make, and are super easy to publish. These are also the tips of games that appeal to people who dont play the games.... people like parents and grandparents who decided to get the kinect or move for their kids for christmas. All they see is some bright colors, multiple game modes, and a cheaper price. That is who buys these games.
These games are also added to online deals to "sweeten the pot". How many ebay/amazon/yomama site deals have you seen where people are saying things like "NEW WII CONSOLE WITH 29 GAMES!!!!!" Because 1 game disc with multiple minigames equates to 29 full fledged $60 games.
These games are just quick buck shovelware games. Every system has them, Every console NES and up has had shovelware games. It's not new. Its just overly abundant and flooding the market.
This doesnt go to a large focus group, if it even does at all. These games are super easy to make, and are super easy to publish. These are also the tips of games that appeal to people who dont play the games.... people like parents and grandparents who decided to get the kinect or move for their kids for christmas. All they see is some bright colors, multiple game modes, and a cheaper price. That is who buys these games.
These games are also added to online deals to "sweeten the pot". How many ebay/amazon/yomama site deals have you seen where people are saying things like "NEW WII CONSOLE WITH 29 GAMES!!!!!" Because 1 game disc with multiple minigames equates to 29 full fledged $60 games.
These games are just quick buck shovelware games. Every system has them, Every console NES and up has had shovelware games. It's not new. Its just overly abundant and flooding the market.
@sexual chocolate
Most Kinect games are going in the direction of new experiences that need not use physical controllers. Something the move won't be able to accurately do. And before you say anything the camera for the Eye is nowhere near on line with the visual tracking of kinect.
But enjoy your Wii HD anyway, thanks for trying.
Most Kinect games are going in the direction of new experiences that need not use physical controllers. Something the move won't be able to accurately do. And before you say anything the camera for the Eye is nowhere near on line with the visual tracking of kinect.
But enjoy your Wii HD anyway, thanks for trying.
All right, here's what it comes down to: Kinect is marketed towards mom, dad, and the kids. Move is marketed towards that demographic and everyone else. Are you going to play a 10-12 hour title with Kinect? No. Move? Yes.
I'm not saying Kinect will fail, but it just isn't going to be useful to hardcore gamers. It's just for families and their kids. That's it!!! I can see businesses using it for some Sweet PowerPoint presentations, but you think Kinect is going to be integrated toward a game like Gears of War 3? Don't kid yourself.
I'm not saying Kinect will fail, but it just isn't going to be useful to hardcore gamers. It's just for families and their kids. That's it!!! I can see businesses using it for some Sweet PowerPoint presentations, but you think Kinect is going to be integrated toward a game like Gears of War 3? Don't kid yourself.
@sculigoxc2:
Finally, someone that fucking gets it.
JUST BECAUSE YOU AREN'T THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TERRIBLE.
Hardcore gamers have been catered to for so long we've forgotten that there are people outside the 18-35 year old male group that have money.
Finally, someone that fucking gets it.
JUST BECAUSE YOU AREN'T THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TERRIBLE.
Hardcore gamers have been catered to for so long we've forgotten that there are people outside the 18-35 year old male group that have money.
@Nanowerx
Kinect doesn't have it's own processor. Nor can it read finger movements.
Kinda just seems like an expensive webcam to me. All the processing is done on the 360.
Kinect doesn't have it's own processor. Nor can it read finger movements.
Kinda just seems like an expensive webcam to me. All the processing is done on the 360.
Isn't it supposed that Kinect doesn't detect finger movements? You just "throw" your fist straight ahead in the darts game then...
Dear everyone who believes the Move is different, and is advertised for 'real gamers':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Z7fFd7PZI
This is the UK advert for the PlayStation Move. Watch it, come back here, and discuss how the Move is any less family orientated than the Kinect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Z7fFd7PZI
This is the UK advert for the PlayStation Move. Watch it, come back here, and discuss how the Move is any less family orientated than the Kinect.
"Master the motions"
I bet that will be in the intruction booklet.
@Nanowerx
I would say you are correct; however, the cameras track different things. Sure Kinect can track a body better than Move but Move tracks the motion capture remote in real time, 1:1.
They both excel in what they focus on.
I bet that will be in the intruction booklet.
@Nanowerx
I would say you are correct; however, the cameras track different things. Sure Kinect can track a body better than Move but Move tracks the motion capture remote in real time, 1:1.
They both excel in what they focus on.
@onomatapedalo
Can you play a shooter with the Kinect like you can with the Move (see: Resident Evil 5 and MAG)? No? Then the Move is not geared strictly towards families. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.
Can you play a shooter with the Kinect like you can with the Move (see: Resident Evil 5 and MAG)? No? Then the Move is not geared strictly towards families. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.
"It's like we're selling gaming to the people who thought it never made it past mario."
That is most people. After the 80's and the downfall of arcades relatively few people continued to play video games. Partly due to lack of innovation, mostly due to increasingly complex game mechanics, and partly due to complicated controls. When all you needed to be a gamer was a joystick and one or two buttons and the only goal was a high score everybody wanted to play. It all went downhill after Genesis added that 3rd button and games started targeting teenage boys.
The DS, Wii, and iPhone were a step back towards sanity. Making unobjectionable video games with simple controls that people outside of the core gamer niche want to play turns out to be good business.
The bottom line is that you have to have a good mixture of games for core and for casual. After seeing all the core games announced at Tokyo Games Show for Kinect it seems like Kinect will have a decent mixture of both. In my opinion though the focus should be on casual consumers because there is already more than enough games for core consumers on Xbox 360.
That is most people. After the 80's and the downfall of arcades relatively few people continued to play video games. Partly due to lack of innovation, mostly due to increasingly complex game mechanics, and partly due to complicated controls. When all you needed to be a gamer was a joystick and one or two buttons and the only goal was a high score everybody wanted to play. It all went downhill after Genesis added that 3rd button and games started targeting teenage boys.
The DS, Wii, and iPhone were a step back towards sanity. Making unobjectionable video games with simple controls that people outside of the core gamer niche want to play turns out to be good business.
The bottom line is that you have to have a good mixture of games for core and for casual. After seeing all the core games announced at Tokyo Games Show for Kinect it seems like Kinect will have a decent mixture of both. In my opinion though the focus should be on casual consumers because there is already more than enough games for core consumers on Xbox 360.
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