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Well, there is always the free PC route... where they can use an assortment of dev tools and try to sell whatever they make on their own. They do have choice - moreso than they've ever had in the past.
"In addition, the company charges developer $99 per year and takes 30% of each transaction"
god damn apple what the fuck?
i never knew nintendo has a strict policy about releasing games in the system. kinda wish more smaller developer team would make games on the wii instead. they could concentrate more on how to make the game fun instead of the graphicz :P
god damn apple what the fuck?
i never knew nintendo has a strict policy about releasing games in the system. kinda wish more smaller developer team would make games on the wii instead. they could concentrate more on how to make the game fun instead of the graphicz :P
They'd be pissed if it were the other way around. It's all just jealousy.
They don't HAVE to make iPhone/Pad apps, they could always make a bigger video game, and put some time and effort into their career like friends I know are doing/have done.
They don't HAVE to make iPhone/Pad apps, they could always make a bigger video game, and put some time and effort into their career like friends I know are doing/have done.
iOS has opened up a platform for anyone. I'm sure this is not what Big gaming companies want, to compete on the same level with everyone. Most success stories on iOS or Facebook have been by super small game developers not by EA, Activision, Ubi, etc. I understand why they dont like the platform.
Nintendo's licensing? That's a 20 year-old dilemma. If the licensing contract didn't meet a developer's needs, the developer moved to another platform. Since we're taking a ride in the games industry way-back machine, might I suggest the Apple II (that's the joke). Tough for small developers to make a game... FOR A NINTENDO PLATFORM? Was it easier in Dimension X since circa 1986?
As for the iPhone development problem, it's another case of taking your content and growing it where the grass is greener and the platform/distributor's contract isn't as screwed up.
As for the iPhone development problem, it's another case of taking your content and growing it where the grass is greener and the platform/distributor's contract isn't as screwed up.
Setting standards is fine. Pitting your suppliers against one other when your part of an oligarchy (how many system can developers distribute on?) and a price setter is pretty crummy. Apple has somehow managed to prevent small developers from being profitable and destroyed quality control at the same time. We can argue that they've created a perfect market for game apps where profits are normal and the consumers can pick what's best, but who really has an opportunity to sift through 350,000 apps (over the course of only 5 years!) Economies of scale mean large developers that can afford the fees can pump out shit to saturate the market, ensuring they at least recoup their costs. Boo Apple. Nintendo is not nearly as bad, though it would be nice to see standards applied without licensing.
iOS has opened up a platform for anyone. I'm sure this is not what Big gaming companies want, to compete on the same level with everyone. Most success stories on iOS or Facebook have been by super small game developers not by EA, Activision, Ubi, etc. I understand why they dont like the platform.
I'm just mad at apple and nintendo for making games considered casual things that shouldn't be taken seriously
Nintendo created the licensing agreement system with the NES. The NES saved home gaming. Deal with it, developers.
This is hilarious coming from EA. Just, really. And how ancient is that complaint? Is it some kind of "Well Nintendo did it first!" Whatever.
Obviously, people are going to complain either way, as this article shows. Letting "everyone" in isn't the answer either apparently.
Obviously, people are going to complain either way, as this article shows. Letting "everyone" in isn't the answer either apparently.
Well the PC is a "Wild West market" and yes, fuck yes, I would argue it is better. No one needs to approve for an indie dev to make Minecraft, Zeno Clash, Eschalon, Avernum, STALKER or whatever else. People make games for an audience and no corporation has to approve or feel there's a market there.
It's fucking awesome.
It's fucking awesome.
Yeah you know you got screwed over devs because someone held a gun to your head and forced you to make games for their hardware's massive install base. Hardware that they typically sell at a loss, I might add.
If you don't like it go out and make your own hardware or.... maybe .... sell your games on the PC market. Sure seems to have worked for Mojang, thus far.
If you don't like it go out and make your own hardware or.... maybe .... sell your games on the PC market. Sure seems to have worked for Mojang, thus far.
He's just jealous Nintendo doesn't have to worry about making profit, while EA is barely doing so. Just sayin
@Wrath and Pride
Trip Hawkins doesn't give 2 shits about EA's performance these days since he no longer works for them.
Trip Hawkins doesn't give 2 shits about EA's performance these days since he no longer works for them.
And Trip did at least practice what he preached... Kinda.
There were licensing costs for 3DO development, but it was $3 per game printed compared to Sega at $15 and Nintendo at $20 at the time.
There were licensing costs for 3DO development, but it was $3 per game printed compared to Sega at $15 and Nintendo at $20 at the time.
Wait... so they're criticizing Nintendo for being too strict about what games they allow on their console... and they're criticizing Apple for being too OPEN about what games get on their console? The fuck?
I think that the problem is shovelware. Both iOS and the Wii/NDS are loaded with the stuff. The GBA had roughly 2200 games in the states. The DS has more than twice as much. Maybe even three times as much. If it were twice as many good games, fine. But really, Game Informer, IGN, and others have never held as much importance in my life when it comes to buying games for those crap systems. Last good DS game I bought: Retro Game Challenge. And it bombed. WTF.
I own an iPod Touch and have downloaded hundreds of games on FreeAppADay and OpenFeint (no piracy, but I ain't about to support Apple) and very few are worth even more than five minutes of play. iOS is this generation's Atari.
Steam is king. I want Valve to make a device
They're like what Apple and Nintendo should be.
I own an iPod Touch and have downloaded hundreds of games on FreeAppADay and OpenFeint (no piracy, but I ain't about to support Apple) and very few are worth even more than five minutes of play. iOS is this generation's Atari.
Steam is king. I want Valve to make a device
They're like what Apple and Nintendo should be.
Maybe $4000 isn't good enough for a team of people, but I sure as well wouldn't mind that right now. Anyone wanna make an App with me?
@Josef Hargreaves - That is the dumbest thing I've read all week, and it is the last day of the week.
Biker Mice! So much love for the header image.
In other news, large companies are dicks and small developers get screwed over. Wait, this is news? This has always been the case, and I don't know why they're complaining as if this is new.
Course that also doesn't make the way Apple does things right. As for Nintendo, I don't know enough about their practices to have an opinion on that front.
In other news, large companies are dicks and small developers get screwed over. Wait, this is news? This has always been the case, and I don't know why they're complaining as if this is new.
Course that also doesn't make the way Apple does things right. As for Nintendo, I don't know enough about their practices to have an opinion on that front.
@M47R1X
I'm sorry but you must have terrible taste/not pay attention to gaming news at all if you can honestly tell me you haven't found a single decent DS game in the past 6 months. I'd try to list them, but I'd end up writing a list as long as this actual article.
That said, this seems like a truly ancient complaint. I much prefer a gaming industry with some standards rather than the wild-west style one we had more than 20 years ago that nearly killed the industry.
I'm sorry but you must have terrible taste/not pay attention to gaming news at all if you can honestly tell me you haven't found a single decent DS game in the past 6 months. I'd try to list them, but I'd end up writing a list as long as this actual article.
That said, this seems like a truly ancient complaint. I much prefer a gaming industry with some standards rather than the wild-west style one we had more than 20 years ago that nearly killed the industry.
I don't think Nintendo were the ones that made the decision for every game to be a colorless first person shooter with inflated budgets to target the lowest denominator.
If they don't like the licensing systems, then they're probably asking for a video game industry with no standards whatsoever. There would be no consoles, no handhelds, and no consistent way to play anything because the developers would all be building proprietary systems suited for them only. Actually, I'd like to see an industry like that if only to test how long it would last.
"We used to have a free and open game business," said EA founder Trip Hawkins.
Like when Coleco released an expension module so that ColecoVision could play all Atari 2600 games?
Like when Coleco released an expension module so that ColecoVision could play all Atari 2600 games?
Nintendo is evil for not being permissive enough.
Apple is evil for being too permissive.
Last I checked, the overwhelming majority of games on ANY platform were shit, so maybe publishers are just generally pissed that their 80s-era business model continues to fall apart?
Apple is evil for being too permissive.
Last I checked, the overwhelming majority of games on ANY platform were shit, so maybe publishers are just generally pissed that their 80s-era business model continues to fall apart?
Not that I have anything against Trip Hawkins. I actually like some of Digital Chocolate's App Store offerings.
Might point being that things weren't at all utopian prior to Nintendo's entry into the console market.
In fact I believe Nintendo's licensing agreement was put in place as a preventative measure to ensure the market wouldn't be flooded with sub par offerings and collapse like the 2600 market did.
Might point being that things weren't at all utopian prior to Nintendo's entry into the console market.
In fact I believe Nintendo's licensing agreement was put in place as a preventative measure to ensure the market wouldn't be flooded with sub par offerings and collapse like the 2600 market did.
@KwikPwn
"to ensure the market wouldn't be flooded with sub par offerings"
Yet isn't that one of the foremost complaints about the Wii library?
"to ensure the market wouldn't be flooded with sub par offerings"
Yet isn't that one of the foremost complaints about the Wii library?
I love how EA, of all big-name publishers, is actually complaining that another publisher is ripping developers off and overcharging them.
HAH.
HAH.
Also, as another guy said: PC FTW. We have to put up with shit nobody else does - OS compatibility problems, driver problems, upgrades every few years...
But we've got STEAM, Impulse, and stuff like Sins of a Solar Empire, STALKER, that would never fly on the new console "dumb everything down" paradigm. Put Minecraft in front of a console gamer and all you'll get is a confused stare. Where are the guns? Shit, what's that green thing? AIR SUPPORT, AIR SUPPORT!!
And if you can't live without your brown fix, there's all the shooters you want and even controls that don't suck. MMOs too, if you're into that... sort of... thing.
Consoles are still where the money is though, true. Fortunately the only games you can't get on PC are Nintendo-exclusive, and they're the cheapest ones to buy.
A mouse in one hand, my DS in the other, astride my trusty Wii, I SHALL STRIKE YOU DOWN, CONSOLETARDS!
But we've got STEAM, Impulse, and stuff like Sins of a Solar Empire, STALKER, that would never fly on the new console "dumb everything down" paradigm. Put Minecraft in front of a console gamer and all you'll get is a confused stare. Where are the guns? Shit, what's that green thing? AIR SUPPORT, AIR SUPPORT!!
And if you can't live without your brown fix, there's all the shooters you want and even controls that don't suck. MMOs too, if you're into that... sort of... thing.
Consoles are still where the money is though, true. Fortunately the only games you can't get on PC are Nintendo-exclusive, and they're the cheapest ones to buy.
A mouse in one hand, my DS in the other, astride my trusty Wii, I SHALL STRIKE YOU DOWN, CONSOLETARDS!
Electronic Arts should not complain about Nintendo's arrival if they as well joined the party, and they mainly developed on personal computers before.
@HikariOblivion
He's still on the Board of Directors of EA, meaning he still calls the shots. Or, at least, has a say in them. My point still stands.
He's still on the Board of Directors of EA, meaning he still calls the shots. Or, at least, has a say in them. My point still stands.
Huh, interesting.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to playing the Wii and waiting until the 3DS comes out.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to playing the Wii and waiting until the 3DS comes out.
Bla bla bla, let's be whiny bitches and forget how things went to hell before Nintendo got ahold of the wheel of the industry and pulled them out of the shithole they were in, something that happened more than 2 decades back already.
If anything Nintendo already paid for their arrogance back in the N64 era and to be fair Sony and MS haven't exactly been acting like saviors by doing away with the whole licensing or using other options. As for Apple i'll admit it has created a whole new business model, the problem (as usual) is that big devs are way too attached to old business practices and have a hard time adapting to most things new (you don't see this shit as often in smaller devs), hence the whining, we've seen it with Apple's iTunes and the music industry and Holywood and streaming movie services, they whine like huge babies because they can't charge customers as much as they'd like but they end up adapting because not doing it means even greater losses.
so TL:DR somebody call the WAAAAHH-mbulance, industries have to adapt to new technology and they can't take it.
If anything Nintendo already paid for their arrogance back in the N64 era and to be fair Sony and MS haven't exactly been acting like saviors by doing away with the whole licensing or using other options. As for Apple i'll admit it has created a whole new business model, the problem (as usual) is that big devs are way too attached to old business practices and have a hard time adapting to most things new (you don't see this shit as often in smaller devs), hence the whining, we've seen it with Apple's iTunes and the music industry and Holywood and streaming movie services, they whine like huge babies because they can't charge customers as much as they'd like but they end up adapting because not doing it means even greater losses.
so TL:DR somebody call the WAAAAHH-mbulance, industries have to adapt to new technology and they can't take it.
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