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Last week was a lengthy debate filled with great Dtoider arguments on both sides. The discussion ranged from nonlinear versus controlled gameplay to fun-factor versus complexities. A lot of you wrote paragraphs praising one game, only to finish with a "But I still liked the other game better" ending. It's good to see people having an equal amount of support for each game and still being able to comb out the features that separated one game from the other. Last week was certainly a close debate, here are the results:

  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic: (71 votes) -- Winner!
  • The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (58 votes)

This week we continue our odd debate Xbox tournament with two new contenders. This time we've got an artistic Asian debate to decipher. Ninja Gaiden and Jade Empire have similar settings, but their gameplay and stories diverge in every other way and strive for completely different player experiences.

Which game do you think is better, and why? Give it some serious thought, get some Xbox friends to share their opinions as well, and check back next week for the winner.

Bonus Question: What is your favorite Ninja Gaiden game in the series so far?

 








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Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:03
Chris Carter
Ninja Gaiden hands down. It changed the way almost every gamer looked a difficulty level. Even though Dante Must Die mode was very hard in Devil May Cry 3, Ninja Gaiden on it's final Master Ninja difficulty had me throwing the controller into the wall in a good way. The NORMAL NINJAS 1 hit you on level 1! Good god!

I beat God of War 1 on god mode a week after I did very hard on Ninja Gaiden and laughed at it.

Vote:Ninja Gaiden by a landslide
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:08
Fronz
I can respect the Ninja Gaiden series for what it has done, but I don't like the way it is continuing. Ninja Gaiden is to action adventure games as Madden is to football games. Yeah, I went there. It'd be nice if the series became a little less redundant.

VOTE: I'm definitely voting for Jade Empire on this one. It's a much more fulfilling gameplay experience.
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:10
ajaxender
Ninja Gaiden. I havent even played Ninja Gaiden, just watched a couple of videos for 2. It looked like fun, something Jade Empire lacked. Good rpg stuff, perhaps, but the combat was boring and badly set up.

So yeah, Ninja Gaiden. I hate the word overrated, so ill instead say i dont understand the popularity of Jade Empire at all.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:11
Qraze
ninja gaiden black all the way. jade empire bored me to death and it was just a little too difficult as a game to enjoy, gaiden on the other hand was very impressive and i could only beat a few difficulties, master ninja was impossible.
MYL0R's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:14
MYL0R
I think graphically Ninja Gaiden on the Xbox could stand up to some Xbox 360 games. That game looked so good on Xbox.

And as said, difficulty was rediculous. I loved the gameplay as well. I vote for NG.
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:20
killias2
Can I vote for the first NES Ninja Gaiden? It's so.. awesome.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:22
Fronz
@killias2: No! Only Niero is allowed to vote for Ninja Gaiden NES out of left field. I'm pretty sure it used to be his old avatar art.
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:24
Puppy Licks
Ninja Gaiden hands down. Ninja Gaiden reminds us that games can be balls-out hard and yet still be fun.
BakaTanuki's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:28
BakaTanuki
Ninja Gaiden 2 for NES is the best.
vApathyv's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:29
vApathyv
I've never really played Jade Empire to be honest (Well, except for a demo), but Ninja Gaiden is practically the pinnacle of what I expect from an action game- fast paced, brutal difficulty, an extensively deep combo system, and the fact that it was probably one of the most beautiful (If not THE most beautiful) games of that generation certainly was a plus. And really, the main reason I didn't play Jade Empire was simply because the appeal wasn't there for me. A kung-fu RPG doesn't exactly tickle my fancy, no matter how well played the story may be.

...Long story short, I vote Ninja Gaiden.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:29
Kyousuke Nanbu
Ninja Gaiden, a thousand times Ninja Gaiden, I dropped a 180 hours on it and wanted more but Xbox bricked itself.

Its the best action adventure game of all time, perfectly balanced and had tons of shit to do.
mr spooky's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:31
mr spooky
I choose Ninja Gaiden Sigma
GoS-CPT-Stewart's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:38
GoS-CPT-Stewart
Ninja Gaiden. Definitely.
Ballistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:38
Ballistic
I only recently played Ninja Gaiden, and it's as tough as everyone says it is, but I don't know if I liked it as much as the equally nasty but very stylish Devil May Cry. I can't put my vote out for Gaiden simply because I haven't played Jade Empire. I'm not really sure what I'd think of it if I ever got to play it, but there's enough doubt in my mind that I'm not voting this time. I will say though, that Ninja Gaiden gives you a set of moves and tools to take out enemies, and makes you get the most out of what it gives you in order to progress. That can be either frustrating or rewarding, and I think Gaiden actually got a good balance so that it was worthwhile. That's good game design, regardless of what other elements you consider.
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:40
gamadaya
I haven't played Ninja Gaiden or Jade Empire, but the actual Ninja Gaiden for the NES is one of my favorite NES games. It was hard hell. The second one wasn't as good, and the third one seems like it's actually impossible. After spending weeks on the the first and second, I get to the third, and see that it has a lives system. Imagine playing Ninja Gaiden on the Xbox, except that you only have 15 lives in the whole game. If you die more than 15 times, you go back to the very beginning. Bullshit. Oh, and can anyone who has played the original and the one on the Xbox tell me which is harder? I'd like to know if the Xbox version is actually hard, or if people are being a bunch of pussies.

Vote for Jade Empire, just to even it out a little more.
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:42
gamadaya
Oops, forgot the bonus question, sorry. Definitely Ninja Gaiden NES, but I wouldn't be surprised if I would like Ninja Gaiden Black more if I ever play it.
AClockWorkMelon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:44
AClockWorkMelon
JADE EMPIRE. Come on.

Ninja Gaiden is a decent fighter with a shit story, horrible dialogue, laughable characters!

Jade Empire, KOTOR, Mass Effect... they ALL win hands down.
commyzthatdont's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/13/2009 23:46
commyzthatdont
I vote for Ninja Gaiden.

I couldnt bring myself to like Jade Empire. Maybe it was the Toad Demons. Or the Horse Demons. Or the fact that everyone was Chinese but spoke in definitely-not-Chinese accents. Maybe it was the lame combat, or the stupid Galaga mini-game. Or perhaps the not so compelling story line.

Or maybe I was expecting it to be KotOR but with Asians.
Paustinj's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 00:04
Paustinj
Ninja Gaiden

Bonus: Ninja Gaiden II
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 00:15
garison
Never played any of them, so srry, can't vote this week.
Bennyishere's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 00:23
Bennyishere
NINJAAAA GAAAAAIDEEEEEEN!
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 00:26
mistic
I really like Ninja Gaiden, but I had so much more fun playing Jade Empire, that my vote will go to JE ( hot asian women FTW! )

Bonus Question: none really, I like them all the same, don't see much change in them either over the years, except for the DS-version, that was pretty fresh and original :-)
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 00:40
ArrestedDeveloper
Jade Empire, I love the twist.
woodPecker's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 00:52
woodPecker
Well at this point it seems pointless but Jade Empire.
crackity jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 00:59
crackity jones
I actually found this to be hard to decide and I almost said Jade Empire to help even things out but deep down I know the right answer

Ninja Gaiden
zynktoxin's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 01:06
zynktoxin
Jade Empire definately. I never liked Ninja Gaiden at all really.
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 01:19
RJG
Ninja Gaiden. Jade Empire was a decent story, but it wasn't a good game to play. The combat was shallow (boiling down to rock paper scissors) and the characters felt flat, although the twist was quite good, in typical Bioware fashion.

Ninja Gaiden didn't have a story. It had a blonde chick with huge tits who carried a massive axe and stomped the yard with dinosaur demons and a ninja who could use every weapon under the sun and take out helicopters Rambo style with a bow and arrow. And the platforming was pretty cool too. Also it looked gorgeous, something the aged Bioware engine couldn't quite manage.

Ninja Gaiden all the way.

Bonus Answer: Ninja Gaiden 1 on NES of course.
Atlas's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 01:27
Atlas
Jade Empire offered a fun if flawed combat system, decent length, a solid speech system, good graphics and audio, and finally I was interested by the storyline.

I hated NG. So Repetitive.

Jade was so easy though due to a flaw in combat where you could block and flip over your enemies to their backside over and over to kill them.
rbrooks's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 01:29
rbrooks
ninja gaiden
T-y-l-e-r's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 01:30
T-y-l-e-r
Ninja Gaiden mos def
In Jade Empire everyone was way too chatty, you talk to some one and it takes 15 minutes for them to stfu
Krow-Kupo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 01:36
Krow-Kupo
@Tyler

That tends to happen in Role Playing Games.

Anyway, my vote goes towards Jade Empire, as I have for anything related to Chinese mythology and I have never understood the obsession with leather clad "badasses" with tons of redundant weapons and skills.
briansalo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 02:05
briansalo
Jade Empire

I'm all for immersion, and even though NG was beautiful, dying once at least every 10 minutes isn't immersion.
wrathofpink's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 02:08
wrathofpink
i havnt played any of these games but ninja gadain is such a stupid name i cant even figure out how to prononce it so um goin to vote for jade empire even thoug i havnt play that one either but both of these games are terible and sound stupid ther probably isnt even guns in jade empir it looks like it was made in japan before they had guns in japan you shod play Gears of War 2 on xbox 360 u can play it online with your friend with multiplayer and is also had a good story mode its better then most games also world of warcrft is good to ecept its not on the xbox 360 i dont know why its only on the computor so if your moms a biatch like mine is she will kick you off alot so play gears of war 2
Overcrowd's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 02:21
Overcrowd
NINJA GAIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!



Also, NG3 on NES. I know the general consensus is that 2 is better, but I played 3 before it so that's the high watermark for me.
r4z0rbl4d3's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 02:25
r4z0rbl4d3
its easy. ninja gaiden of course. jade empire was nice but playing as a bad character wasnt too fun. i felt like im missing a lot of xp when i did bad things. nice game nonetheless. ninjga gaiden 2 is by far the best
Timstuff's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 02:26
Timstuff
Ninja Gaiden, easy. It was a superb action game on a system that desperately needed one, whereas Jade Empire was the letdown followup to an an absolutely incredible RPG. The choice, for me, is about as easy as they come.
CAVE's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 03:01
CAVE
Ninja Gaiden for me too.

Beautiful graphics, slick fast-paced action, tough as nails and big tits. It's all I ever hoped for in a game.

For the bonus, NG Black. Even though I love the NES ones to death, this game far exceeded my expectations and I thought it was faithful to the classics.
Forcepath's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 03:02
Forcepath
Jade Empire, easily.

It wasn't perfect, but it was damn awesome, and NG is just way better earlier gen. /shrug
Steel Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 04:00
Steel Squirrel
What... you all fail. You probably sit around rocking out to Metallica and masturbating to Pamela Anderson. Fuck Ninja Gaiden in it's tight leather ass.

Jade Empire is such an amazing game. Hands down the winner of this debate because I say so.
Seth338's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 04:14
Seth338
JADE EMPIRE
A million times jade empire it's my favourite game of all time.
AlucardX24's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 05:48
AlucardX24
Definitely Ninja Gaiden. I liked Jade Empire, but I wasn't compelled to finish it.
drocinktown's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 06:01
drocinktown
I vote for jade empire ninja gaiden is just to repetitive no story an its only plus was the difficulty
apples2000's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 06:04
apples2000
NINJA GAIDEN ALL THE WAY!!!
JunkTheMagicDragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 06:18
JunkTheMagicDragon
jade empire.

even itagaki's sunglasses cannot best this game.
CrocBox's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 06:23
CrocBox
Dude Jade Empire hands down, I have never played an RPG like that and no one has been able to match it in recent years. I would probably love just about any title that used the same fighting system.
MrFwankie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 06:45
MrFwankie
Ninja Gaiden Black was the best game of the last generation.
Overcow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 07:51
Overcow
The original Ninja Gaiden, not because I like it that much more, but because Bioware should stop making crap (JE, ME, SC) and give me Baldurs Gate 3. NOW!
sanadawarrior's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 07:53
sanadawarrior
Jade Empire hands down. Ninja Gaiden was good, but it can't begin to hold up a candle to what IMO was the best RPG of last gen.
Trevor McGee's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 07:56
Trevor McGee
I'd have to go with Jade Empire and I never even finished it. But what time I did spend playing it just seemed like a more enjoyable experience.

Ninja Gaiden was just not a very fun game, I didn't enjoy it at all. I'm all for challenging games, but when it's so frustrating that it begins to feel like work, then that's just not a very good game really. Besides, it doesn't help the game much when one of the most difficult things about the game was it's shitty camera which somehow got worse in the second game. I'm sorry, people overrated the shit out of Ninja Gaiden, and I think it was done mostly by clouding their judgement with nostalgia of the past Ninja Gaiden games on the NES or their love of the character from the Dead or Alive games.
Zeno's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/14/2009 08:08
Zeno
Difficulty is no substitute for quality. Jade Empire.
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