Last week's debate was insane. I've been doing these debates almost every week for three years now, and it might be the closest to the perfect game debate we'll ever witness. The ways in which the two contenders were varied was so useful for comparing and contrasting them, and nearly every single comment did the topic justice. I've never in all these years seen so many people say "I signed up just for this debate" and you have no idea how happy that makes me feel. I <3 Dtoiders.
I've never had so much fun and excitement going through hundreds of comments to tally a winner. The outcome was incredibly close and each side should feel honored to get so much praise. The Xbox 360 2008 game of the year versus its 2009 console throne replacement was truly a battle of titans. Here are the results:
- Fallout 3 (83 votes)
- BioShock (87 votes) -- Winner!
Considering about half of the votes last week were noticeably nail-biter "Damn you, Fronz! I can't decide! Fine, I'll go with _____ and here's why..." votes, that says a lot about how great both games were in their own ways. Anyone who owns a 360 should definitely go out of there way to play both of these games, as well as Mass Effect. This week could easily turn into yet another photo finish debate that comes out close.
Which game do you think is better, and why? Give it some serious thought, get some Xbox 360 friends to share their opinions as well, and check back next week for the winner. Are you still a reader without an account? What are you waiting for?!
Bonus Question: Start casting suggestions for games you'd like to see in the Wii odd debate tournament brackets!
Bonus Question:
Mario Galaxy vs. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Twilight Princess vs. Boom Blox
Trauma Centre 2nd Opinion vs. Boom Blox
Mega Man 9 vs. Lost Winds
Bioshock had a much more inviting control layout, and simple tasks like walking and looking around felt way more natural. Even the most minute detail looked like it got more attention in Bioshock than in Mass Effect.
BONUS: Don't underestimate the power of Raving Rabbids! Even though I'm voting for Brawl to rule them all.
I'll go with bioshock since I have wanted to be a little sister my whole life
BioShock kicked ass at storytelling and immersion, and pushed the boundaries in these areas, so it seems like an obvious winner. Besides the fact that simply Mass Effect's dialogue setup alone is enough to make it a worthy contender, what comes to mind is that Mass Effect pushed the boundaries of gaming as a whole. By touching on some advanced and more mature scenarios it is still a golden example of how to elevate games from just fun pasttime hobbies to serious mediums of storytelling that deserve just as much attention and credit as movies do. BioShock was amazing, but it really doesn't fit those shoes.
In essence, BioShock showed the industry that we've been slacking with storytelling, but Mass Effect showed us all we've been slacking in even more and important ways.
And fuck, I am such a sucker for Grim Fandango dialogue tree interface design. This is really hard to choose, but...
VOTE: BioShock.
It is very possible that I would vote differently if I ran this debate again in a year from now. The reason for my pick right now though, is that the thing that attracted me so strongly to gaming is its ability to bring imaginations to life. To make up an entire world that is not real, and make it feel so damn real. And then the whole conundrum that goes along with it that South Park has explored in the last year -- it may not be real, but when millions of people are affected by something that is make believe, well then it's not exactly "not real" either. And BioShock is one of the most immersive games in several years. My god does Rapture both kick ass AND feel real, and its characters and imagery feel so vivid. So it gets my vote.
BQ: Don't forget to make suggestions!
Bioshock was good, but too short. I beat it in less than a day.
That plot twist really pissed me off.
Mass Effect kept me entertained for atleast a week and a half.
That's my vote.
Mass Effect was good (pc version played) but just seemed a little flat and sterile for me.
So yeah, Bioshock.
BIOSHOCK!
It was just better, hands down. Mass effect did nothing new. At all. TO give it to you straight, I would just rather throw bioshock into my 360 rather than Mass Effect. Also I have played through biodshock twice, and mass effect only once.
Bonus question:
metroid prime 3 vs. fire emblem radiant dawn.
This should be interesting.
Bonus Question:
I could care less. I seriously haven't played a single Wii game that I enjoyed. I'm not a hater, it's just not the type of experience I'm looking for.
I'm not going to explain myself.
Vote: Bioshock
bonus: do you want us to put 2 games against each other? or just name one game and you pick the game it goes up against? anyways,
No More Heroes --- Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (both are action games, yet totally different)
Super Smash Bros Brawl --- Battalion Wars 2 (again, not similar at all)
Trauma Center: Second Opinion --- Okami (both are ports with bascially just added waggling, yet better than the originals)
Trauma Center: New Blood --- Tatsunoko versus Capcom (uhh...)
So uh, Bioshark I guess. Because taking photos is fun.
Also, need to start doing some DS games.
Mass Effect sucked. The only reason it won the last debate is because Assassin's Creed is just about the only game that was a bigger disappointment.
Even with my Big Daddy on top of my PC tower, I have to give it to Mass Effect; I bought it twice, for the 360 and then with promises of prettiness and bug fixes, PC.
It is so close for me but my vote is for Mass Effect purely because I am looking forward more to ME2 than BS2(Damn it, stop the milking BS, it does not need a prequel!)
The open universe did it for me. The multiple dialogue trees, the sense of accomplishment when you're mentioned in the loading elevators, all that made for a solid experience for me. While bioshock is definitely a great game in its own right, Mass Effect just takes the cake for me.
i'm amazed at last weeks results! thanks for really giving us a good debate.
i'm also playing bioshock on the impossible (no vita chambers) difficulty to get platinum and wow, your head and ass need to be screwed on tight! the telekinesis plasmid is the best, one hit kills by throwing dead splicers into living ones! i'm in chapter 2 right now and the big daddies are fuckin unstoppable but i've managed to kill two so far. it is hard but i'm gonna beat it.
Long story long:
I found both of these games to have well-written characters and both (main) storylines were interesting enough to draw me forward. But Mass Effect had far too much filler around it's meaty narrative bits. I can appreciate that it's a fully fleshed out universe, but I never cared for all of that extra stuff. The main plot drove me forward, but it was a chore to get to sometimes. Bioshock on the other hand was so tight and well paced that I never felt like I was wading through useless filler or unnecessary backstory.
So win for the story (and atmosphere for that matter) to Bioshock.
As for the actual games themselves, Bioshock was a little too easy at times, but I enjoyed the combat and the variety of ways you could deal with foes throughout the game (even though turrets weren't as useful as I would have liked). Mass Effect on the other hand feels clunky to me, and the inventory system was a big hassle to deal with. It breaks up the actiony bits too often, which is what I feel the running around/talking to people/traveling places/buying things bits should do. Having to stop and dive through menus during and around combat was a real bummer for me.
Gameplay win goes to Bioshock too!
This is my first game debate, I can't believe I never got in on this before :)
Epic, Epic, Epic.
So Mass Effect. But Bioshocks gonna win. Id put Fallout 3 ahead of ME, too.
/still bitter about Fallout's loss, but recognizes the reason why.
My pick this time is .... Bioshock!
BIOSHOCK.
Mass Effect, although I love me some sci-fi, didn't pull me in as much as I needed it to. I think perhaps I wanted another KOTOR. Needless to say, I was disappointed.
Verdict: BIOSHOCK
Also, I'm going to be a bitter bitch, I call a rematch for Fallout 3!
Mass Effect has been done with KOTOR, and Bioshock was "sorta" new. A cinematic FPS.
Mass Effect.
Bioshock is OVERRATED.
spent close to 50 hours in my first playthrough ( immediately scored the 'Completionist' achievement for completing more then 90% of the available quests & subquests :-) )
Bonus Question: "No More Heroes" vs " Day of disaster "
BONUS:
Audiosurf vs. Rhythm Tengoku
Dwarf Fortress vs. every other game ever made