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Game Debate to the Death! Luigi's Mansion VS Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker photo

Last week we finished our PS2 odd debate brackets with a monstrous battle between Metal Gear Solid 2 and Shadow of the Colossus. Despite a few recent landslide wins, I have to say that I've never seen so many Dtoiders say "This was a really hard choice" in the comments as I have in the last month.

Last week in particular I heard a lot of different people saying the same thing, and I just want to let everyone know your words aren't going unnoticed. So, with a huge demand for a Colossus versus MGS 3 debate, I promise that I'll visit that topic as soon as this odd debate theme is finished for each console. As for last week, here are the results:

  • Shadow of the Colossus (86 votes) -- Winner!
  • Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (39 votes)
  • Favorite Colossi:
  • 1st: Phalanx (pictured below)
  • 2nd: Avion, the Bird
  • 3rd: Gaius, the Knight

This week we move on to two new games and a new console. Both games have different gameplay methods of focus, but both have something in similar. Both were surrounded by plenty of initial criticism for not delivering the desired next step of their series (cough, Mario 128 tech demo, sob, sob, sob, cough, Ganondorf fight tech demo, expletive, expletive, expletive, cough).

So how did the two games end up doing? Which combination of gameplay, setting and story did you enjoy more? Which game do you think is better, and why? Give it some serious thought, get some Gamecube childhood friends to share their opinions as well, and check back next week for the winner.

Bonus Question: Would you like to see another Luigi game any time soon? What about a "Celda" game for the Wii?


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Gavin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 00:33
Gavin
Windwalker because at least it was a full game...well, even though a LOT of that was padded out by repetitious boring sailing. I used to sail a lot in my youth when I lived on the Gulf Coast and it is a wonderful feeling to be out on the open water with the wind sweeping across you in the warm afternoon sun. Nintendo took that experience and beat all the joy out of it.
shinryu108's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 00:45
shinryu108
this shouldn't even be a debate. Zelda wins. Also, new Luigi game - don't care, Celda - yes please.
Altered Beets's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 00:45
Altered Beets
My wife has played 2 games to completion. The original Zelda, and Wind Waker.

I don't know if this counts as two votes, but we definitely vote for Wind Waker. It's awesome. I even loved the really slow travel system which allowed me some time to pretend I was working. Since it got my wife into games a bit, and because I absolutely loved the style, it's probably up among my top 10 games of all time.

Definitely WW.
nosinging's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 00:50
nosinging
Other than slow sailing on treasure hunts, I think Windwaker is my favorite all-time Zelda (but that's probably just because the style suits my aesthetics).
And Luigi looked neat (first thing I saw on that generation of consoles and i was blown away), but I borrowed it from a friend and beat it in just a few hours, and even in that short span it was repetitive.
So definitely Windwaker of Luigi's mansion.

And for the bonus--I don't want ANOTHER anything, but if they could make a new Celda, or a much deeper Luigi game, I'd be down for either.
solidgoomba's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 00:55
solidgoomba
I played both games and enjoyed both of them.
That said I have to give it to Wind Waker, I loved the new art style and really everything about it ('cept for the triforce bs like everyone else)

Bonus: Yes, I think another Luigi game could be a lot of fun and pretty unique. And yes to a new Celda, though I'm glad to see Nintendo is keeping the art style for the handhelds at least.

As for the Xbox I'd have to say Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow for sure, it's one of my top games ever and my friends and I went back to it even after two sequels (one next gen) and other "big" multiplayer games.
Maudrid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 00:58
Maudrid
Wind Waker
10 years from now, wind waker will still look gorgeous.
Tash's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:02
Tash
Wind waker. Bitch, please.
ammoelf3's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:06
ammoelf3
My vote: Wind Waker. Possibly my favorite Zelda of all time.

Bonus Question: I don't really care about a new luigi game, unless it was as funny as the paper mario games.

As far as Zelda goes, I don't want it to be like WW or TP style (even though i truly enjoyed both). I want it to be completely messed up, and journey into a heavily steam punk/futuristic realm, similar to FFVI/VII did for the FF franchise. There's no denying it worked. And in all honesty, Zelda needs a real breath of fresh air.
Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:15
Justice
Wind Waker, and yes and yes.
JoGrbbs's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:21
JoGrbbs
Not a huge fan of either, but Wind Waker's definitely the better game.
t3h d0n's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:25
t3h d0n
Wow, really? Zelda by a long shot.
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:37
ParaParaKing
Wind Waker obviously. And I would love for another game like Wind Waker, since it's one of the best Zelda games. Actually if it weren't for the grind of collecting treasure maps and the endless ship travels, it would be my favorite.

Also Luigi's Mansion is incredible and so much fun.
Genebeef's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:39
Genebeef
is this a joke?

Wind Waker , the vote i give
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 01:44
bluexy
Zelda.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 02:12
Monodi
Argh I hate to make this hard decission, but Wind Waker would be my pick mostly for fullfilling my Zelda demands.

Though Luigi's Mansion is a LOT of fun. The exploration adn the silent atmosphere made it feeel amost like a hybrid with Metroid too. Luigi's Mansion doesnt fail to entertainment on its features and Ghostbuster style.

And if I want another Luigi game? Yes. And I want it to be unique as this title.
NeonFc's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 02:17
NeonFc
Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Rusty Ghia's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 02:19
Rusty Ghia
I've got to give it to Luigi's Mansion. I just find it to be a simple, fun little game. I also prefer the visuals over Celda.

Speaking of which, I've never liked the Zelda games: the incessant chopping of grass and having to talk to annoying NPCs make the games too tedious for me.
sleeping ghost's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 02:21
sleeping ghost
Wind Waker all the way.. Still my Favourite Zelda game
DanGale's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 02:24
DanGale
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.

How could it be any different. In fact, if you put Wind Waker against anything, it's going to win from me. Though maybe not against Lylat Wars. Well, maybe just. Or maybe not. But, yeah, no, yeah, no. Oh I can't decide. Maybe that should be next week's.

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker vs. Lylat Wars.
Shane86's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 02:35
Shane86
wind waker, a classic.
Kyoden's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 02:51
Kyoden
I am almost offended by this question

wind waker all the way
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 03:07
pedrovay2003
I loved Luigi's Mansion, but we're going with Wind Waker on this one. No contest.

As for the bonus question, seeing as how Nintendo's remaking Metroid Primes 1 and 2 for the Wii, I'll get we see the Wind Waker on it eventually.
Mirax's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 03:16
Mirax
Wind Waker, no doubt. Seriously, the only Gamecube game that can compare to Wind Waker is Metroid Prime. (Of curse, IMHO)

Bonus question: Yes and yes. A new Celda would make my life perfect and a new Luigi game would be cool too.
brimtastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 03:44
brimtastic
Tough choice, I think they're both underrated (or unfairly treated). Will probably go for Wind Waker though. After getting over the initial graphical shock it was an amazing, charming game.

Enjoyed Luigi's Mansion a hella lot too. Would definitely be up for another Luigi-centric game at some point. Even if just to mix up up that sometimes stale Mario Mario Mario pattern
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 03:55
Toneman
Wind Waker. It was far more enjoyable.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 04:15
Wedge
Also wat are the other two games you picked? I don't know how Luigi's Mansion got in there when there is stuff like Metroid Prime, Viewtiful Joe (was GC exclusive for a good while), MONKEY BALL, Killer 7, Rogue Squardon, Paper Mario, and realistically RE 4.

As for future X-Box games, DEATH ROW. But nobody played that awesome game, so Smilebit is always a good bet with the awesome Panzer Dragoon and Jet Set Radio. I'm also partial to Otogi, then there's Crimson Skies, Ninja Gaiden, and mmm, Unreal Championship 2? Also I'd consider The Warriors lead platform for that, since it could run splitscreen co-op reasonably well (which was awesome in that game), and is the only X-Box game I know of that actually supported 720p.
dgschrei's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 04:38
dgschrei
Zelda Wind Waker of course. Luigi'S Mansion was only about 4-5 hours long and I was so dissappointed that I was able to finish it the day I bought it.
Also the graphics of Wind Waker looked so great with the Cel shaded look.

So for your Bonus question. A Luigi game: Yes if it is a lot better than Luigi's Mansion. I actually like that character.
A cell shaded Zelda on the Wii: Hell yeah! With the shitty graphics of the Wii that is probably the only way we will ever get a Zelda game on the Wii that looks at least decent.
WowItzMike's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 04:47
WowItzMike
Wind Waker wins for me, but Luigi's Mansion could work great on the Wii.
Noah's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 04:56
Noah
I've never played Luigi's Mansion, but I've also never wanted to play it, either.

Wind Waker was awesome, and gorgeous.

I pick Wind Waker
Skribble's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 05:01
Skribble
Windwaker hand down

Luigi's Mansion was a fucking fun game, but Windwaker was all too amazing for me not to choose it as the winner. Still most satisfying and smooth looking combat system for Zelda to date.
cartman08's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 05:18
cartman08
luigi all the way who or what the fuck is zelda? sounds like a prostitute!
Mirax's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 05:20
Mirax
Wind Waker, of course.
Fun-Gi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 05:23
Fun-Gi
Definitely Wind Waker.
Yes and Very Yes.
AlucardX24's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 05:51
AlucardX24
Wind Waker, hands down. Not only the best GC game, but my favorite Zelda game of all time.
shaoranwright's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 05:56
shaoranwright
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liverty...

LIVERTY??????... i mean... c'mon... xD

and my vote goes to Luigi's mansion, i hated wind waker
Solgrim's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 05:57
Solgrim
Um, Zelda.
LionheartAce's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 06:09
LionheartAce
Dude, this was so wrong... he didn't stand a chance. Wind Waker.
RonBurgandy2010's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 06:29
RonBurgandy2010
Well both had their problems. WW had those damn stealth levels and LM had bad controls. Both were incredible games though.

But I'll have to go with Zelda.
Matthew Blake's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 06:35
Matthew Blake
I liked the more out-there Luigi's Mansion, but my vote goes to Wind Waker for a better game. That being said, I'd love to see continuations of both.
Cube's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 07:01
Cube
I did not like either one.


and I do not want to see another lugi game I rather see a Yoshi game.
Mikey's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 07:04
Mikey
Wind Waker definitely, I like Luigi's Mansion, but Wind Waker was so much better. As for Luigi, I'd like to see him in a two player co-operative Mario game. I miss that from the NES days.
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 07:06
the Golden Avatar
I thought Luigi's Mansion was good fun, but obviously Wind Waker is the better game.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 07:13
slapme7times
I am dumbfounded to see Luigi's mansion and Windwaker in a comparison duel.

I mean what in the fuck, are you actually comparing the gorgeous and clever Windwaker to the complete shit that is luigi's mansion?

What in the FUCK IS THIS SHIT?
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 07:17
garison
Wind Waker is my choice, as it is one of my top 5 games of all time. The game is beautiful, that is all I have to say.

Also, does anyone remember the dancing guy in Windfall Island who teaches you the song to change night to day? He was pretty much the gayest character ever. I love that guy.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 07:18
Tubatic
Wind Waker.

But let me say, I've enjoyed the Luigi character, up to the point where they started relegating him to pure buffoonery, starting with Luigi's Mansion. Awesome, a game where Luigi has to save Mario. That's brilliant! But then you make him piss his pants with fear for the entire game? That's BS. And then to prance him around as the victim in Galaxy? The Luigi character deserves more than that. He was the original Player 2!

Super Luigi Sunshine woulda been brilliant.
NotAZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 07:23
NotAZombie
Luigi's Mansion

These are my two favorite GC games so I'll go with Luigi to soften the loss.

Also, as much as I hate it, the Wii was built for a Luigi's Mansion 2.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 08:15
Cowzilla3
While I enjoyed both games, no contest at all here:

Wind Waker

Also yes and double yes.
SWE3tMadness's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 08:20
SWE3tMadness
Wind Waker, no contest.

I actually really liked Luigi's Mansion. The controls were tight, the graphics were great, it was innovative and fun, with a bit of good humor thrown into the mix. But I can beat it in about four or five hours. The title as it stands right now is just too shallow and short.

That being said, to answer the bonus question, I would love to see it given a sequel or a fresh start on the Wii. There was a lot of good stuff there in the original Luigi's Mansion, but one night just wasn't long enough to display it all effectively. :(

I'd also be behind another cel-shaded Zelda game. The art style in WW was very quirky and fun, and sometimes I think it reflected the Zelda 'verse better than the pseudo-realism of Twilight Princess.
ZaxCG2's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 08:26
ZaxCG2
Wind Waker. Even though Luigi's Mansion is still an excellent game.
ToFU's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 08:41
ToFU
I feel like a traitor, because I really, really love Luigi, and while Luigi's Mansion wasn't bad, Wind Waker was amazing.
I would love to see a Celda game for the Wii, and would buy it instantly, especially because I loved Phantom Hourglass so much. Everything needs more Linebeck!
And I love Fronz's idea of a Paper Luigi. That sort of mechanic would suit the character very well, and I have hope, especially since they gave him so much attention in Super Paper Mario. I would sell my right arm to see more Mr. L!
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