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Game Debate to the Death! K.O.T.O.R. VS The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind photo

Last week was quite the end of the year blowout debate. I threw my debate traps into the waters, cast out my anchor, and waited for a week to see what kind of things would wash up. A decent amount of fiddler trolls surfaced as expected, but for the most part our usual weekly intelligent debate continued as scheduled.

It wasn't quite as exciting as the whored out daily Discovery Channel documentaries, but I didn't grow a beard, lose an arm or earn a hundred grand, so I guess things even out. That being said, when I returned to the docks with that week's gains, Nintendo did not look pleased. Anyways, I'm off to bang Diane Lane. Here are the results:

  • Best Console: 
  • Xbox 360 (79 votes) -- Winner!
  • PS3 (53 votes)
  • Wii (13 votes)
  • Worst Console:
  • Wii (85 votes) -- Loser!
  • PS3 (34 votes)
  • Xbox 360 (12 votes) 

The sales don't lie, and Nintendo has plenty to be happy about. However, these numbers don't lie either, and I don't think a "bias community" complaint is enough to write-off these staggering results, so Nintendo also has plenty to be upset about.

This week we return to the odd debate tournaments that were temporarily paused after the end of the Gamecube brackets. We venture into the Xbox round of debates with two games that were both ambitious and more comparable by odd debate standards than usual. The settings were drastically different though, as were their approaches to nonlinear gameplay. What will be the deciding factor for you this week?

Which game do you think is better, and why? Give it some serious thought, get some Xbox friends to share their opinions as well, and check back next week for the winner.


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Xhumation's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:18
Xhumation
the state of the gaming industry baffles me. How can the best selling console also be the most loathed? I'd comment on that but I don't even own a Wii.

And also I've never played any games on today's debate.
Muddy Waterz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:20
Muddy Waterz
KOTR hands down. I never was a fan of star wars games until I played it. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to check out Morrowind.
Arugala9's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:22
Arugala9
Kotor
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:22
Fronz
This week is a shallow debate vote for me. I did not care for Oblivion, so I'm not voting for Morrowind. It's that simple.
LostSoulDX's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:25
LostSoulDX
KOTOR. I didn't get into Morrowind, and as a die hard SW fan, KOTOR was the first SW based game that sucked me right in.
joemoemino's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:27
joemoemino
Kotor for sure as it had me staying up til 4 in the morning Christmas week when I got it.

Morrowind was just too confusing and kinda lame without those "sweet" mods.
Krow-Kupo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:27
Krow-Kupo
Knights of the Old Republic has to win because I didn't think walking thousands of miles from destination is fun. It might have been realistic, but it just wasn't enjoyable for me.
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:30
RJG
This debate is like comparing a good novel to an awesome playground: Two totally different things.
That said, I'm gonna go with the playground, because you can mod Star Wars into it, but not vice versa.

Morrowind.
sumdawg's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:33
sumdawg
Knights of the old republic. Morrowind was just to damn realistic. I can walk all the way to anywhere I need to go in real life but it doesnt mean I want to. So why would I want to do it in a game...
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:33
John B
How can the best selling console also be the most loathed?

Because this is Destructoid where graphics mean more than gameplay.

Oh, and KOTOR.
Superfluous Moniker's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:34
Superfluous Moniker
After reading the reasons people are voting for KOTR, I'm voting for Morrowind on principle. I liked both a lot, for the record.
Dexem's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:34
Dexem
As RJG said, it's hard to compare them. Going with what I enjoyed the most, though, I will say KOTOR.
Ignus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:35
Ignus
Wow... This is tough. I spent a LOT of time with Morrowind. And KotOR was great as well.

I'm gonna have to go with Morrowind.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:37
whormongr
I have to go KOTOR, one of my favorite game experiences
Ballistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:39
Ballistic
well, I never played Morrowind, but I'm still gonna put out my vote for KOTOR, because it's a very solid game that I think should win. I know not everyone enjoys the combat that is too real-time to plan every move out and too orchestrated to feel like your playing instead of giving commands, but the story is very strong, and the characters are all great and fleshed out. This was one of those games that I went back and played several times though because of how many choices you have, not only in the story but in play style as well. I've gotten so much mileage out of this game, it's excellent.

My vote goes to Knights of the Old Republic
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:41
Fronz
Don't forget people, with these odd debates, the whole point is to pick games that are hard to compare. There's some good reasoning so far, especially RJG's. Keep it up!
GeminiEye's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:42
GeminiEye
Hands down Morrowind for me. I have no idea how many countless hours I spent on this game back in highschool. Funny thing is I still have my save file on my comp after all these years.
TheGregsaw's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:43
TheGregsaw
I thoroughly enjoyed KotOR. I loved the story and the characters. The real-time-turn-based combat was stellar.

However, I'm going to have to give my nod to Morrowind. My friends and I had an entire "Summer of Morrowind" where almost every day, we would all gather round some TVs and do whatever the hell we wanted. During that summer, I never did complete Morrowind. Only a few of us did. But it offered much more to me and my friends.
drocinktown's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:43
drocinktown
k.o.t.o.r all the way I swear I played that game at least 10 times an seeing this makes me want to go back
Ragnar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:43
Ragnar
I undoubtedly played Morrowind more, possibly tenfold, but my vote goes to Knights.

The story was more compelling, the combat more enjoyable for me, and good lord...LIGHTSABERS! Also, HK-47 is possibly the greatest robotic character our society has ever created.

The fun I had in Morrowind had nothing to do with the story. It was about sneaking around, stealing from people and stat boosting until I could run at 50 miles an hour and jump over buildings. So really, it was a Middle Earth Crackdown rather than an RPG.

Meatbag.
Cacophony's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:50
Cacophony
I played Morrowind for only a couple of hours over the course of three seperate times of installing it. The last time I just cheated and hacked myself into the best of everything and gave myself the ability to fly and go through walls. I flew to the the areas of interest, went to the last level. Stopped playing. It was fun, but I didnt seriously try to play it until after Oblivion so it was hard sitting down to play that when I could just play Oblivion.

KOTOR I actually played all the way through and loved. Great story, great characters, great setting, etc.

So...KOTOR.
Nurlatouk's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:52
Nurlatouk
So if you haven't played both games, how can you truly give an honest vote? -.-

KOTOR is very fun (who doesn't want to be a powerful Jedi / Sith) and a great story for sure, but in the end it's linear and easy to play. You'd play through it twice at most?

Morrowind is also very fun, and allowed anyone who spent enough time in it to also become overpowered and rule the world so to speak. It was also a much harder and unforgiving game at times (not knowing where to go for quests, getting swarmed if you were careful), yet it's an incredible open ended / sandbox type game. You could play the game for weeks and not need to touch the main quest, walk where you shouldn't, take or safe the lives of those you encounter, even allowing you kill main plot NPCs leaving you forsaken / unable to complete the main quest line.

Placing the choice of morality in the players hands and freedom of Morrowind VS KOTORs pick option A/B gameplay wins hands down IMO. :D
boneheadjoe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:52
boneheadjoe
I have to vote for morrowind. I played that game for a long time on the pc modded like crazy...In fact I reinstalled it a few weeks ago and after getting it modded, it still holds up pretty well.
KOTR was good...but I never got to play that much of it (Didn't own an xbox at the time)
Knigge's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:52
Knigge
Come on. KOTOR.
Nurlatouk's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:53
Nurlatouk
So if you haven't played both games, how can you truly give an honest vote? -.-

KOTOR is very fun (who doesn't want to be a powerful Jedi / Sith) and a great story for sure, but in the end it's linear and easy to play. You'd play through it twice at most?

Morrowind is also very fun, and allowed anyone who spent enough time in it to also become overpowered and rule the world so to speak. It was also a much harder and unforgiving game at times (not knowing where to go for quests, getting swarmed if you were careful), yet it's an incredible open ended / sandbox type game. You could play the game for weeks and not need to touch the main quest, walk where you shouldn't, take or safe the lives of those you encounter, even allowing you kill main plot NPCs leaving you forsaken / unable to complete the main quest line.

Placing the choice of morality in the players hands and freedom of Morrowind VS KOTORs pick option A/B gameplay wins hands down IMO. :D
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:58
killias2
Morrowind
Detry's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 22:59
Detry
Knights of the Old Republic.

Oh yes, I typed it all out. I'm a rebel.
ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:02
ZeroTolo
I really did not like the KOTOR games. I liked Morrowind for the fact that it really turned you loose right at the beginning, even more so than Oblivion did. Lots of hours of fun were had just tooling around in that game.
epoch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:03
epoch
My vote goes to Kotor, it just felt like the more complete package. The story, characters, graphics, moral delimeas. I actually had feelings for the characters in kotor. Morrowind was like a novel i started to read but got bored with the main story so i had to skip around to make my own fun. Kotor had focus...morrowind had lizards and repetative npcs...
Althesaurus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:06
Althesaurus
I played KOTOR, but never really got into it as much as I did Morrowind. Comparatively, KOTOR seemed like a very limited experience. While KOTOR gave only a few quest and dialogue options, Morrowind gave a bounty of them, and its sheer potential for variation was amazing.

I also thought that Morrowind's environment was much more immersive, with deep, complex cultures, religion, political intrigue, and lore, which could all be participated in.

My vote goes to Morrowind.
Coldbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:23
Coldbrand
Fuck them both.
Pushtrak's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:25
Pushtrak
Before I say anything, shouldn't only people who have played both be allowed vote? Why would playing one make you feel you have the right? I don't get it.

Anyway, I loved both of these games. Really loved them. I didn't even really want to think about which one I preferred, but here I am. Doing just that.

I would have to say Morrowind on the basis of the sheer amounts of time I have invested in it. Oblivion by contrast feels like they dropped the ball in a lot of respects. Morrowind had the superior storyline, lots more skills, and hell I could go on a big long rant with things Morrowind did better than Oblivion. I'll not bother going there. Least not here and now.
ExGazer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:27
ExGazer
KotOR was okay, but Morrowind is definetly better.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:39
Wedge
I've never played either of these... on an XBox. I guess it's not fair to exclude half it's library though.

Anyways, KotoR. I've just gotten confused and bored everytime I tried to play Morrowind. KotoR was actually playable and fun.
Infinite Obscurity's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:41
Infinite Obscurity
Kotor gets my vote, didn't really play Morrowind but I thought Oblivion was pretty boring.
moocow21's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:43
moocow21
Morrowind. It stands as my favorite RPG of all time. KOTOR was excellent as well (although I hated the combat), but it's nothing compared to Morrowind in my opinion. Its sort of sad that KOTOR will probably win in a landslide, since it was primarily a console rpg while Morrowind was primarily aimed for PC gamers (both games were released on both platforms, I'm talking target audience), and its a simple matter of numbers.
eboku01's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:56
eboku01
KOTOR, no question.
Resonance's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:56
Resonance
Morrowind
zynktoxin's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2009 23:58
zynktoxin
Star Wars: KOTOR

I love Bioware
Tet's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:01
Tet
In KOTOR I was a Sith, turning on my friends, facing moral dilemmas, asskicked those in my way, got a major swerve in the story, and stayed up late nights to see what happened next.

In Morrowind I stole cups from farmers until I got armor made of glass.

Um, yeah. KOTOR.
CrocBox's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:15
CrocBox
KOTOR to the max
faultymoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:24
faultymoose
Morrowind, no question. Star Wars being popular purely by virtue of being Star Wars. Also, I'm the only person on the planet who hated KOTOR :(
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:25
Magnalon
That's really, really hard for me.

I spent 300 hours playing Morrowind and never beat the main game or played any expansions. Oddly enough i'm borrowing my friend's game of the year edition now to do just that. I still LOVE KOTOR though.

My vote goes to Morrowind.
twister1988's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:26
twister1988
KOTOR FTW
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:28
F Whipple
Kotor...one of my top games ever
doctorjones's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:30
doctorjones
I played both. Kotor limited what your character could be. Do you want to be a Jedi with a laser pistol? Lightsaber? OK you got it. With Morrowind you could be damn near any type of character you ever wanted. Add some serious mod community work to make the game even better and 2 expansions and there is no doubt in my mind. Morrowind is the winner.

....also cocks.

...and to anyone that votes without playing both, I hope you are happy, you just made baby Jesus cry.
Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:42
Knives
I'll go by time invested in it and vote Morrowind, as much as I like Kotor I just used a saved game a couple hours before the end to get the endings without going through it again, while Morrowind I played pretty much twice, first on 360 and then just HAD to get it on PC once it could run it.
Forcepath's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 00:53
Forcepath
I'm going by most enjoyment and that was definitely KOTOR. Morrowind just doesn't compete with one of the best Star Wars gaming experiences...ever.
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 01:08
mourning orange
Morrowind, is by far, the most engrossing game I have ever played.

+Morrowind
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 01:22
mourning orange
I have played KOTOR and its sequel, and while I loved it, it didn't have the depth I found in Morrowind.

Morrowind has an enormous amount of content. It has more freedom of choice than any game I can think of,whereas KOTOR felt like you where being led around like a child in a mostly linear fashion.
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