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Game Debate to the Death! GoldenEye 007 VS Super Smash Bros. 64 photo

Last week we had an early Halloween Debate between Silent Hill and Resident Evil 2, as well as a separate debate between the two series. Both games proved to be huge winners in earlier PlayStation One debates, and this week each game came out a winner in one area. Here are the results:

  • Silent Hill (44 votes) > Resident Evil 2 (20 votes)
  • Resident Evil series (38 votes) > Silent Hill series (14 votes)

Interestingly enough, if you add the results of both debates, you get a tie. It will definitely be a debate we revisit once a year. This week we move on to the Nintendo 64 round of odd debate brackets, with two incredibly successful games of different genres.

Don't forget -- the point of these odd debates is not to just vote with your gut -- it forces us to be more analytical and think like a game designer. It gives us unique discussions that force everyone to think outside the box, consider all the pros and cons of each game, and compare and contrast them in a way that really makes us think about why we did or didn't enjoy a certain game.

Which games do you think is better, and why? Give it some serious thought, get some N64 friends to share their opinions as well, and check back next week for the winner.

P.S. So far, it looks like I've stumped you guys again! This week's Monday Mind Teasers still has an unsolved cover.








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Unicorn's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:35
Unicorn
1st?


smash bros. all the way
ian_esq's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:38
ian_esq
SMASH
Clockwork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:39
Clockwork
No contest.

Goldeneye.

To be honest, I'm surprised to see someone already voted for Super Smash.
Fangeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:42
Fangeh
Absolutely Goldeneye.
tsunamikitsune's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:43
tsunamikitsune
Smash Bros.

I liked Perfect Dark on the N64, but I never really played much Goldeneye. I haven't been a fan anyway, though, so I would probably still pick Smash even if I had played more of Goldeneye.
Krahsh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:45
Krahsh
Gonna have to go with Golden Eye. Brings back memories of staying up late with bandmates after practice bitching about Oddjob.
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:45
eternalplayer2345
confession time, I never played Goldeneye but I did play well over two thousand matches off ssb on the 64 so yeah SSB forever.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:45
Fronz
Phew, this new comment pagination almost ruined last week's debate. At first I just thought there weren't many votes and was ready to post the incomplete results. Good thing I double checked.

For this week, I'm definitely torn. But honestly, not for long. Sure, I spent just as many summer hours playing GoldenEye 64 with friends in their basement as I did playing SSB 64 in their basement. I played both games more in one summer than I spent all year on homework, these games were huge parts of my childhood.

But last year I went back and played both of them for the first time in many years, and it was obvious which one stood the test of time, and which one didn't. While 007 was groundbreaking in that it brought the FPS genre to more mainstream non-PC markets, it still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't play well to this day. Framerates drop, graphics are laughibly blocky, and it's just not as fun (on any gameplay mode) as current FPS games.

However, when picking up SSB 64, the graphics aren't bad enough to take away from gameplay, the multiplayer aspect remains to be more fast and vicious and stratgic than basement-roaming blind bullet-spraying. Not to mention that I STILL honestly like SSB 64 better than Melee and Brawl. The controls feel tight, not over smoothed, and Hammer will always trump Proximity Mines in my heart!

VOTE: Super Smash Bros. 64 by far.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:45
F Whipple
smash bros...i'm picking the game I was better at
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:45
Fronz
Phew, this new comment pagination almost ruined last week's debate. At first I just thought there weren't many votes and was ready to post the incomplete results. Good thing I double checked.

For this week, I'm definitely torn. But honestly, not for long. Sure, I spent just as many summer hours playing GoldenEye 64 with friends in their basement as I did playing SSB 64 in their basement. I played both games more in one summer than I spent all year on homework, these games were huge parts of my childhood.

But last year I went back and played both of them for the first time in many years, and it was obvious which one stood the test of time, and which one didn't. While 007 was groundbreaking in that it brought the FPS genre to more mainstream non-PC markets, it still doesn't change the fact that it doesn't play well to this day. Framerates drop, graphics are laughibly blocky, and it's just not as fun (on any gameplay mode) as current FPS games.

However, when picking up SSB 64, the graphics aren't bad enough to take away from gameplay, the multiplayer aspect remains to be more fast and vicious and stratgic than basement-roaming blind bullet-spraying. Not to mention that I STILL honestly like SSB 64 better than Melee and Brawl. The controls feel tight, not over smoothed, and Hammer will always trump Proximity Mines in my heart!

VOTE: Super Smash Bros. 64 by far.
LionheartAce's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:46
LionheartAce
Smash Bros. wins. Best multiplayer experience ever. *stabs elbow into hater's eyes*
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:46
bluexy
Played both so much... I can't even decide. Ok fuck, I guess I was better at Smash Bros. so we'll go with that. Agree with tsunami, I loved Perfect Dark x10.
CarlCastello's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:46
CarlCastello
Although I spent a lot of time with both games as a child, I spent more with SSB. In fact, to this day, when I get together with my friends to throw down, we turn our backs on Melee and Brawl. The 64 version just had so much character, even if matches typically play out pretty much the same.

Don't get me wrong, GoldenEye was a pretty sweet game in its own right, but my vote definitely goes to Super Smash Bros. on this one. Falcon punch!
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:46
Puppy Licks
Goldeneye!
John Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:46
John Johnson
I think it would have to be Goldeneye for the impact it had on the gaming community. Sure, Smash Bros. spawned a bunch of sequels, but Goldeneye spawned a whole genre, that is, the multiplayer 1st person shooter on a console. You could say that other games did this first, but it was Goldeneye that made it mainstream. You would have a difficult time arguing that the Halo series didn't owe a direct debt to Goldeneye (not that I like the Halo series, I think it's trash, but it's impact is impossible to ignore, as is Goldeneye's).
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:48
vexed alex
Even though I've been really negative towards the Wii version of Brawl, it still takes the cake in this argument.

For one, Brawl is sill playable and Goldeneye isn't. It was a lot more fun in a party environment over Goldeneye.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:49
Fronz
Awwww yeahhhh sonnnn, we got us a good ol' debate rollin' up in this bizzotch!

Looks like this might be a close one!
Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:50
Oni
My vote goes for Smash Bros.

Now, I know Smash Bros. is not going to win. That is obvious. However, all things considered, I do think it is a superior game in a lot of ways.

I'm not saying Goldeneye was a bad game. Far from it. The single player campaign was pretty solid, it was graphically sound, followed the plot of the movie pretty well, and had great multi-player modes. I do honestly beleive that the game is retro tinted to an almost obscene degree by gamers of the era, however. Most gamers will froth with white-hot nerd rage at the sheer mention that something in this game was flawed. They will practically toss each other off at mention of a possible release on the Virtual Console or the XBLA, and most probably refresh the page for the fan-based port of the game into the Source engine on an hourly basis.

Honestly, while good, it just didn't hold my attention the same way that Smash Bros. did (right up until Brawl, anyway, but that's a discussion for another time). I've had many, many, many sleepless nights playing that game with friends over a greasy pizza and more than a few bottles of alcohol, and more than a few laughs. It's a better constructed game in my eyes, and a better game for bringing friends together overall.

Feel free to flame at will.
CarlCastello's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:51
CarlCastello
@vexed alex

I'm not sure why you're referring to it as "the Wii version of Brawl," as A) Brawl was only on the Wii, and B) it's not the game we're talking about.
norm9's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:51
norm9
Goldeneye. No question.

The most influential game of my college years.
Pistols only, no radar, one hit kill was THE standard for proving your skills. It got to the point where some people were learning how to play the game with 2 controllers to take advantage of two analog sticks.

Also, I still haven't beaten Trevelyn yet on the hardest difficulty.
CoverlessTech's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:51
CoverlessTech
Smash Bros.

It is still the best smash to be released. Melee was very unbalanced("Oh your playing as Link? I'll just go home then") and Brawl just has way to much luck involved(smash ball, dragoon, tripping, ect, ect). Smash64 had a great line up that where all very balanced.

Goldeneye, although bringing FPS to the console, was kinda crap. When you compare it to Half Life (released just a little over a year after) it's a complete joke. Multiplayer was also completely broken due to the character models.
bluegonzod's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:51
bluegonzod
very hard choice, both great games and they are both are the best on their own category. i will have to pick goldeneye since it was the first great multiplayer FPS. Smash is awesome too but the later versions of it are better.

goldeneye ftw!!!
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:53
falinter
SMASH BROS 64

only because Perfect Dark 64 > Goldeneye 007
nebones's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:55
nebones
Smash!
AwesomeToph's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:56
AwesomeToph
GoldenEye. I wasted so much of my youth with this game, whereas Smash Bros. and all its sequels got old pretty fast.
Danl Haas's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:57
Danl Haas
Smash Bros.
I just played it yesterday! I got owned.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 22:57
Fronz
@norm 9 -- couldn't agree more with your gameplay rules :) The only thing we did different was turn on DK mode to make the players' heads bigger on our small screened TV hehehe. And occasionally paintball mode too, cuz it was fun!

@oni carlcastello -- you and me both :) you and me and about a million other people I'd love to meet and play SSB 64 with. such great memories, we still pass up Brawl and Melee and hit up the first whenever we're home for the holidays.
CAVE's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:01
CAVE
I vote Smash Bros 64.

Goldeneye was fun, but I put way much more time into smash. Call me crazy, but smash 64 is still my favorite out of the series. Plus, you didn't have a split screen to hinder the sight of 4 simultaneous players.
CarlCastello's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:01
CarlCastello
@Fronz

I'm smelling a Super Smash Bros. exclusive NARP!
grassr00ts's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:04
grassr00ts
For me, personally, as much as I love SSB

Goldeneye wins in a landslide
D Sane's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:06
D Sane
Goldeneye. While I play the newest iterations of Smash Bros more regularly than Goldeneye, I definitely play Goldeneye more than the original Smash Bros.
Endstiem's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:07
Endstiem
Goldeneye...


Simply because of License To Kill + Pistols + Complex
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:08
Magesx
Really close, but Goldeneye because that game made me laugh so hard.
angusm's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:10
angusm
Smash Bros. Holds up against the test of time way better.
boylie's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:11
boylie
Goldeneye for me, no question. I never really got into Smash Brothers
The Incredible Edible Egg's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:12
The Incredible Edible Egg
Smash Bros

I based my decision on being able to beat my friend with a handicap. KIRBY FTW!
Jigo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:14
Jigo
For me, it was Goldeneye. Hands down. My friends and I back in the old neighborhood clocked countless hours on both, but the competition and heartfelt joy in victory or anguish in defeat was always so much more prevalent in our beloved FPS.

Besides, I was never beaten in anything except perhaps proximity mines :P Hated the things. SO cheap. Hahaha, good times, tho.

I actually just brought my old Dreamcast, N64, and old Gameboy gear out of storage to my apartment and Goldeneye was the first thing I had to pop in the N64 once it was set up. Protip: don't play on an HDTV after having done the same with an emulator. The visual quality is actually saddening, haha.
Transbot's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:15
Transbot
I don't understand how you can pick Goldeneye, when there were far better multiplayer shooters out at the time. I remember playing Duke Nukem 3D and Quake on a six person LAN, wondering why people would ever settle with split-screen again.

Super Smash Bros basically created a genre and turned into a huge cash cow for Nintendo. I'm having trouble thinking of another mildly succesful game even similar to it (Power Stone ?). They hold massive tournaments for whatever the newest one is, there are people that play it till their fingers bleed figuring out weird block/jump/punch cancel stupidity that just boggles the mind.
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:16
nukka jdav
Smash Bros....

Ah, its so hard to really choose, as I had immense amount of fun at countless sleepovers with both games, but in the end, Smash Bros takes the cake.
IzekialRage's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:16
IzekialRage
There are so many memories with both games, but i will go with Goldeneye since it was the first n64 game i got for it. You never forget your first...
CokeTruck's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:22
CokeTruck
I have to go with GoldenEye. While both games were insanely fun, I simply have too many fond memories with Bond: Rocket launchers across the big open room in the Temple, my friend using Proximity Mines to barricade himself in rooms in the Bunker... Ah, the good old days.
bbrigg1's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:24
bbrigg1
Goldeneye, even though the klobb came from it.
Evil Cheese's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:25
Evil Cheese
Both of these powerhouses of the N64 were heavily favored amongst my friends and I when we were jonesing for hot multiplayer action. While Goldeneye definitely had some holy shit moments during the campaign and multiplayer led to some epic matches that are still talked about to this day, my vote is for Super Smash Bros. This game was the game we played most often and for the longest. We'd literally spend entire days playing this game.
Prince Ghidorah's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:30
Prince Ghidorah
Then (mid to late 90's): a toss-up

Now: Smash-Bros. All the way.
First of all, Goldeneye has NOT aged well. Secondly, it may well have ushered in the age of the FPS, in which case it is retroactively the worst game ever.
Sooku's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:35
Sooku
Smash Bros, definitely. Goldeneye just didn't age well.
aborto thefetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:44
aborto thefetus
Smash bros. I played Goldeneye again a month or two ago, and it is not really as good as I remember it being. Smash however, is still amazing even today.
Coltronathon5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:45
Coltronathon5000
I agree with these guys - which game can you pick up today and STILL play for hours and have a blast with?

smash64 is that game.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:45
Bob Muir
Super Smash Brothers. No contest. Goldeneye has not been enjoyable for years, even if it was cool when it came out.
FitzLik3AlG0r3's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:47
FitzLik3AlG0r3
I'm going with Goldeneye, mainly because of how many more hours of my youth were wasted on that in comparison to Smash Bros. I don't think either of them hold up that well by todays standards but Goldeneye did a helluva lot to progress console FPS as we know it.
FitzLik3AlG0r3's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/21/2008 23:47
FitzLik3AlG0r3
I'm going with Goldeneye, mainly because of how many more hours of my youth were wasted on that in comparison to Smash Bros. I don't think either of them hold up that well by todays standards but Goldeneye did a helluva lot to progress console FPS as we know it.
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