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Game Debate to the Death!<br>Best Super Smash Bros. N64 multiplayer level? photo

Last week's debate was a nostalgic nightmare that was about as heated as the current Presidential candidate debates. For a week straight we heatedly argued over which was the best multiplayer level for the Nintendo 64 FPS game that devoured many of our childhood Summers. Here I am thinking that the only three GoldenEye 007 level candidates that stood a chance were Facility Clinton, Library Obama, and John McComplex, with a slight Temple Nader possibility on the side. Then I had my childhood destroyed when I found out that only my city was obsessed with the Library, and that I was actually voting for a hopeless Kucinich level. Here are the top results that made me cry and feel violated:

  • 1st: Facility (111 votes)
  • 2nd: Complex (75 votes)
  • 3rd: Temple (40 votes)
  • 4th: Stack (21 votes)
  • 5th: Bunker (12 votes) 
  • 6th: Library (7 points)
  • 7th: Caverns (6 votes)

I've voted for a losing poll option in plenty of these debates in the past, but I've never been as shocked as I was last week. It's a terrible feeling when one of your favorite levels of all time almost gets beaten by the number of "random level" votes. Those of you who voted for Stack -- are you sure you weren't thinking of the very similar Library level? Nevertheless, it's another week, and time for another ruthless debate.

This week's discussion is over which Super Smash Bros. 64 multiplayer level was your favorite. Keep in mind that this is not a debate about Melee, which will most likely be next week's debate. Which level was your favorite, and why? Give it some serious thought, cast your vote and reasons, get some friends to share their opinions as well, and check back next week for the winner.

Bonus: Since we already had a debate about who our favorite Smash Bros. characters were, let's take a step in a dangerous debate direction. Who will you vote for as the next U.S. president? Please stay civilized though.








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Aberrant Thought's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:39
Aberrant Thought
Sector Z. No question. Most surface area for running, excellent trap at the far right for the stupid or hammer-endowed, AWing interference, Best one.

The Mushroom Kingdom bonus level was pretty good, too
Aberrant Thought's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:40
Aberrant Thought
Oh and for president, Obama
Aerox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:40
Aerox
OBAMA '08!
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:40
Fronz
For this week there's only two levels that are hard to choose between as my favorite -- Link's castle level and the Pokemon building roofs level. The Pokemon level probably guarantees more exciting matches on average, but for balanced reliable gameplay, along with the tornado threat/strategy, we always played Link's level a little more than the Pokemon one.

So my vote is for Obama's Castle for this week.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:41
Samit Sarkar
Sector Z for me, even though I don’t really like the Smash Bros. series.

Bonus: Barack Obama is the only right choice
crackity jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:42
crackity jones
Saffron City FTW, that was the name of the pokemon level right?
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:42
CaffeinePowered
Sector Z

Also Obama
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:42
MrSadistic
Clinton, because she has a vagina.
Aberrant Thought's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:42
Aberrant Thought
The castle one is pretty decent, but I like plenty of running room. Though that damn tornado has screwed me over plenty of times! >:|
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:44
Fronz
PS -- here's a funny picture I ran into tonight when image searching:

http://flickr.com/photos/daughterofwily/62740585/

And for the record, usually these Bonus questions will always be on topic. Since the televised Cleveland Presidential Candidate debate was on tonight in my hometown, I was feeling political.
Scape's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:46
Scape
There is no question, Sector Z. But Saffron comes in as a distant second.

Obama will probably get my vote...still not sure how things will play out.
angusm's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:47
angusm
Mario one with the pipes.
The Bez's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:49
The Bez
@ MrSadistic
You have to be one FUCKED up person to wanna go inside that ancient cave of death but hey whatever perks your pickle right?
Kyoden's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:51
Kyoden
sector z

hyrule castle is close second
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:52
MrSadistic
I want to be all over Hilary, and inside her cervices too.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:53
Darren Nakamura
Fronz, that second level you're thinking of, I think it's actually from Earthbound. It's been a (very) long time since I've played Super Smash Bros. on the N64, but if I remember right, that's Fourside, which is not from Pokemon, but from Earthbound.

My favorite level was probably Sector Z, for most of the same reasons Aberrant Thought listed. I like the bigger levels, because I typically play the lighter, quicker characters.

I probably won't vote for President, because I'm an awful person. If I do, though, it won't be for a Democrat or a Republican, on the principal that I'm sick of the two party system. Libertarian for the win (unless we're talking about win of a Presidential election).
ShadowXOR's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:54
ShadowXOR
Saffron City is best, followed by Hyrule Temple.

I still play this game:

Brawl > Smash 64 >>>>>>>>>> Melee
Jaren Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:57
Jaren Face
While my friends would kill me for not choosing Hyrule Temple, I personally found Saffron City the best.

As for the bonus, I live in Canada? Lols?
DanielMachine's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:58
DanielMachine
Saffron City
&
Obama
pendelton21's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/26/2008 23:59
pendelton21
Hyrule Castle

Let me count the ways:
1. Layout: not as long as the fucking dread that was Sector Z, but longer than most of the shorter levels. It gave you plenty of room to fuck around with people, and enough room to escape pursuit. Plus, the 2 towers (the middle one, and the "barn" to the right) gave you enough hight to pull off sweet moves.

2. The tornado: once that bad boy came on screen, you knew some shit was going down. There was always some sort of mad dash around the tornado; either to get away from it, or get one of your opponents to fall into its grasp. Plus, the 2 seconds of whirling around in that death vortex are the most excruciating seconds in video game history.

3. The left side: Yes, the entire left section. That little slant on the side of the screen was a pivotal area for destroying rivals. Plus, the tornado occasionally turned up there, pretty much fucking up anyone in that spot. Plus, the kid that always spammed kirby's rock drop could be fucked up by the slant and fall to his death if he wasn't quick enough.
pendelton21's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:00
pendelton21
Oh, and Obama.

Crazy lady is crazy.
XEROXM3's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:01
XEROXM3
saffron city & obama. can't beat the pokemon elevator on that level.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:01
Darren Nakamura
I take it back, that was from Pokemon. Fourside didn't appear in the series until Melee. My bad.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:04
Fronz
@Dexter345 -- nope, you're thinking of the Melee rooftop levels I think. The Saffron City level that everyone is voting for is the one I was referring to. It's the one where the middle main tower has a small tower to its left and right, and in the middle tower a door opens up every minute or so and a new lethal Pokemon pops out to fuck up everyone's fights for a few seconds. Fucking Blastoise!
Pangloss's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:05
Pangloss
Hyrule Castle, and Obama. These comments are full of foolish Sector Z partisans who still manage to give me hope for America.

Let us reach across the Sector Z/Hyrule Castle aisle, and move onward to a brighter future, for Brawl.
Darkjad's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:06
Darkjad
Hyrule Temple. I'm definitely stage-building that one when Brawl hits.

And . . . none. I live in Canada, and I wouldn't feel right picking one since I don't know their platforms. ALthough Obama seems the most personable.
Bus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:14
Bus
Zebes and Obama. I enjoy the rise and fall of acid, just in general.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:15
Wedge
SectorZ/Obama.

That was the Great Fox level, rite? I always get confused coz' it was Corneria in Melee, and I never played the games a TON.
UreshiiShonen's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:17
UreshiiShonen
DK level for one on one, but sector z for multiple. Obama all the way!
Unicorn's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:18
Unicorn
RANDOM!!!!!!!

lol jk

Saffron, or the bonus mario level.

those fucking tube effects were awesome. why isn't every level from the original smash bros. in brawl?!?!!? i want some saffron and hyrule castle
Shazbot's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:19
Shazbot
I agree with a few people who already posted

Saffron City followed by Hyrule
NegFactor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:26
NegFactor
Planet Zebes, hands down. Mostly bias as a Samus-lover. If the character fits, use it.
BlueJester's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:31
BlueJester
Sector Z! It always seemed the most balanced. Also, all my friends had a furry man crush on star fox at the time.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:34
vexed alex
I vote for the Pokemon level. I never had a Nintendo 64, but I used to play this game at my cousin's house and that's the level I remember playing the most.

Also, I'm voting for Obama. You know you're the wrong candidate for this country when hyper conservative bitch Ann Coulter will vote for you (despite your Democratness) because she doesn't believe McCain is conservative enough and thinks you are.
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:37
SourGr8pes
All about the zoomed out battles of Link's Castle, and in second place, the frequent pitdeaths of Saffron City.

Ron Paul's my sort of guy, being that I'm libertarian myself, but since his campaign went down the drain (except those zealots who wish to hang on), I'm hoping for a Obama/McCain versus match.
Seriously, I don't care which one of them win, just as long as we bump Hillary out for good.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:39
Dan CiTi
Saffron City.

Brawl's stages are amazing. It's too bad they didn't bring back Great Bay or Saffron City.
brainpower4's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:46
brainpower4
Ahhh decisions decisions, It is so hard to decide. Hyrule; NO wait Sector Z; or....OH I forgot about Saffron City, ok lets go with that, final answer.

Good thing the presidential choice isn't that hard, Obama FTW
Arugala9's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:47
Arugala9
Saffron City hands down. The pokemon appearing on the roof added so much to that level.
Petrie's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 00:49
Petrie
Saffron City.

And McCain, I'm actually shocked how many of you claim to be voting for Obama. I'm going to assume this is based on just following whatever is trendy and whatnot, and not based on being actively involved of knowledgeable in the whole political scene. McCain deserves more respect than just about anyone in politics today.
skunta's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:01
skunta
Hyrule is by far the best level multiple fighting heights 2 totally different sides to fight on its not very bia's to any character by far the best, sector z is terrible... when you have 4 people on multi you cant even see what the fuck your character is doing if people are on both sides of the level patttthetic
Bas's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:02
Bas
The Pokemon level, lots of different places to fight.

Obama.
Paustinj's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:03
Paustinj
Hyrule Temple for me

I'm voting Obama so far


Oh and to Unicorn, don't you ever let me meet you in real life. Now get the fuck off Dtoid.
emotaku's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:14
emotaku
Hyrule Nader.
Fronz's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:16
Fronz
@Paustinj. I deleted it already. Racism will obviously not be tolerated.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:16
Toneman
Saffron City
robotoisawesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:19
robotoisawesome
Hyrule castle for me

and of course Obama, and no petrie not because its trendy or whatever, but because i truthfully think he will be good for the country
No shutdown's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:27
No shutdown
Hyrule/obama.
Its not following a trend if its what the country desperately needs.
Triphoppin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:34
Triphoppin
Hyrule caste with the tornado strategy!
Petrie's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:50
Petrie
I'm sincerely interested in why people seem to think Obama would be good for this country.

Yes, Iraq was a bad idea, but we're there, and pulling out now (like Obama would like) will be disastrous at this point. More lives will be lost by pulling out now than this entire campaign over there has cost.

I'd love to think he'd be good for the country, as generally I always vote Democrat, but Obama scares me. He has all these grand things he claims he will do, but gives no answer as to how he can really accomplish them. Top that off with his inexperience, and I'd really love to know why people are eating him up. Change for the sake of change is never a good idea.
skyler's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/27/2008 01:51
skyler
Hyrule Fucking Caslte


or saffron
or sector z




fuck
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