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Game critic wants ten-day ban on videogames for schoolkids photo

Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is a name that pops up in anti-videogame circles now and then. He's an author and former military man who believes that children can train themselves to become snipers by playing Halo, and has criticized videogame violence for many years. He views games (as well as movies and TV) as such poisonous material that he believes kids need a ten-day "detox" period to clean the filth away.

"[Grossman] described, in chilling detail, school massacres at Columbine High... the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota and Virginia Tech. Just as graphically, he conjured the brutality of videogames such as Grand Theft Auto and Manhunt, reports the Grand Forks Herald. "Grossman, an expert on school violence, went on to trace a connection between the two, complete with brain scans and a study of juvenile murderers. And he pitched a singular idea to gathered educators -- a 10-day television, movie and video game "detox" ..."

Grossman adds that violent videogames are evidence of society going mad: "This is not business as usual. This is our world coming unglued. This is our society coming unhinged."

I've always found Grossman to be faintly ridiculous, not least due to his belief that a videogame could provide children with all the tools necessary to operate a gun to deadly effect. His scaremongering, hyper-reactive claims do little to serve his point, making him sound more like a frightened old man than a man with legitimate concerns. Also, this ban is never going to happen, because most people, deep down, know that videogames really aren't the root of society's great moral decline.








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Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:24
Nic128
At least, he doesn't blame ONLY video games.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:24
Nic128
At least, he doesn't blame ONLY video games.
SamBasinger's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:24
SamBasinger
Best thing about what the guy is saying in this post? Directly after the Tetris Friends post. RELEVANCE!!!
broonor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:28
broonor
Hasn't society ALWAYS been in the "great moral decline"? I swear that phrase has been used in every time period in history. I guess our morals were never as good as Adam and Eve's. Oh wait, they screwed up too. We just suck as beings then.
AlienGuy18's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:29
AlienGuy18
Just games, movies and TV? What about Gangsta Rap, Harry Potter, or SPORTS. Football is violent, right guys? Hell, lets just lock kids up in white happy sunshine rooms for a week. Yeah, that'll work. Totally.
phantomile's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:35
phantomile
People target video games because they're easy targets.
Most of the beyond-ignorant population honestly believes that video games are bad and, thus, anyone with insecurities can just jump on the "video games are what is ruining our country" bandwagon and BAM, all their problems are solved.

Except not.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:36
Thane Vickers
I wander what the morality police blamed during the time of the Roman Empire... You know. When gladiators killed each other in front of thousands for entertainment? Those were the good old days, I guess.
Xhumation's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:37
Xhumation
Someone get this guy some happy pills seriously.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:42
Black Nexus
Nutjob with a blog #69385522857 please step foward and present your case so thank we may dismiss it with the deafening laugh of intelligenece.
zombiekiller13's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 13:43
zombiekiller13
Funny how the school shootings he mentions have already been shown to have no real connections to video games.

On a related note, the VT shooter's psych records were found in the house of a school psychologist...two years after the event. They apparently show that the guy was pretty screwed up in the head, and not because of video games. Doubt the lieutenant colonel mentions that.
ScanCase's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:04
ScanCase
Its weird that this guy is treating games, movies, and tv like they're some kind of drug that the body can naturally get rid of. However Grossman has skipped over the fact that detox is only the beginning. Successful recovering addicts spend most of their remaining days in support groups and therapy to remain clean. You just don't magically not be an addict once the detox is over. It's mental.

And if Grossman is trying to make some kind of comparison between drugs and alcoholism to violence in the media it only shows his ignorance of both types of addiction. The human mind doesn't have a reset button.
RiotMonster's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:05
RiotMonster
This guy needs to get laid.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:08
Jon B
"This is our world coming unglued. This is our society coming unhinged."

Yes, and he's great evidence of why.
n1k0l4's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:14
n1k0l4
BULLSHIT
broonor's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:18
broonor
This is turning into a Fanboy Friday episode :)
Gligarman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:25
Gligarman
So porno magazines, violent novels and graphic novels are okay then?
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:30
BluDesign
Yah. It certainly isn't declining parenting skills, gluttenous commercialization of the American dream, Panic focused media outlets, or high fructose corn syrup that's rotting kids. It's gotta be the games.
Losari's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:45
Losari
I think this man has a point.

If you think back, violence didn't exist before the late years of the nineteenth century when film was first introduced. The world back then was a perfect paradise inhabited by loving, caring, and selfless beings.
Matthew Blake's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 14:51
Matthew Blake
If nothing else, I think it'd be an interesting experiment.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 15:10
manasteel88
he forgot to add that they need a detox from books. I'm pretty sure there are more than enough books out there that can teach you how to do many of the things that those kids did at columbine.

of course he could just be wanting people to drop all forms of entertainment that aren't his bread and butter to help push book sales.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 15:12
wanderingpixel
I would like to see our society give up porn for ten days. Actually, now that I think about it, civilization itself would probably fall into anarchy.
BJ Blazkowicz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 15:23
BJ Blazkowicz
Obviously, joining the army and going to war is way better for the kids than those damned videogames.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 15:38
GoldenGamerXero
I haven't actually ever played a video that's been about shooting people that really encourged me to kill real people. Usually it's either cartoon violence or graphic violence that just keeps telling you that violence=bad!

How many video games has this guy ever played?
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 15:49
Maurice Tan
/points to my avatar

Lol moral panics. Haven't laughed about a header image in a long time though, good job(e) :)
Sanious's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 15:49
Sanious
Sad that this stereotype will never end.

And the irony of a man that was in the Military having an agenda against Video Games 'causing' violence.
Redeye's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 16:00
Redeye
Dear Lt Col Panicmongering Moron,

Please just fuck off, and take your ill-informed, halfwitted, cretinous and nonsensical blatherings with you, you pompous, arrogant dickpipe.

Not yours, at all, in the slightest,

Redeye.
Slowey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 16:04
Slowey
"...former military man who believes that children can train themselves to become snipers by playing Halo" I hate Halo`s sniping personally. I don't like how its rock steady when your running, jumping, driving, etc.
Saborlas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 16:17
Saborlas
I wonder what he'd think of someone putting him into Quake 3 (yes, this happened).

Either he'd milk it to promote his book some more or he'd think that the gamer community was training specifically to take him on.
Berzerk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 17:48
Berzerk
The sky is falling!
YoTanaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 20:44
YoTanaka
They should just make video games an adults only hobby and be done with ALL THIS BULLSHIT!! If the chilluns cant play then nobody (thompson, this guy) will get their panties in a twist and we can have games that are wayyyy more violent and maybe actually tackle some of the issues that movies get to exploit. Sex, nudity, war, politics and so on.
Holiday's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2009 23:38
Holiday
I kinda like the what-if scenario of kids not having access to video games for a period of time. Send them camping for a month and learn to commune with nature and build social skills.
motti's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 01:17
motti
I'd hoped that someone who'd actually had to use a gun would know that you can't just pick it all up from a videogame.
Apparently not.
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 02:34
The Amazing Shenazin
huh, haven't heard anything about that asshole in a while
Pencoin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 02:34
Pencoin
To be fair, I think this guy speaks a bit of sense.
I'm not saying the worlds going mad (Well not 'cause of games...), but some kids should just not be playing violent games. They soak it in like a sponge.
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 03:20
Jetsetlemming
Somebody needs to give this guy a history lesson, apparently he thinks violent entertainment is somehow new and unique to modern times.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 08:14
Kaspar
What the fuck would a moral decline in a society look like.

The society is changing in a direction that doesnt appeal to some old, sad, religios fuckbins. Change =/= decline.
huluvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 09:26
huluvu
videogames where the reason for WWII to happen.
huluvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 09:27
huluvu
were* xD
Drauglim's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/05/2009 11:11
Drauglim
Is your child so disturbed that he will likely kill people tomorrow, don't worry because all he needs is to be grounded for a little over a week. If only Charles Manson's mother didn't give him any dessert.
FunkzillaBOT's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/06/2009 12:52
FunkzillaBOT
"Detox to clean the filth away", God he sounds old.
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