All that nerd talk.... he must know what he's talking about!

@hexfix:
"windows cannot do midi over serial or usb" Are you smoking crack? I do all my midi over usb, and it works fine.

"vista made me buy a mac and a ps3" I can understand the Mac, I personally like Macs, but cmon a ps3? How can Vista make you buy a ps3?

How i test for midi jitter.

I hook up a drum machine or synth. in this case the boss dr-880 drum machine. sent 16th notes at 140 bpm to it from logic out one of the channels. recorded about 3 bars worth in. then i would load the wav file i loaded into wavelab, then i would get rid of the space at the begining put the begining of the first sample at 0.

Now, simply write down where each sample begins super zoomed in.

here is what i got on my test:

0, 108, 215, 322, 429, 537, 644, 751, 858, 956 etc etc etc... each number is the beginning of a sample.

Now, subtract like this. 215 subtracted by 108 = 107, 322 subtracted by 215 = 107, 429 subtracted by 322 = 107. etc etc.

no you see how its the same number, later on i get an 108, but thats it, i only got 107 and 108. a 1ms difference in time between each on average. That is how i did this test. Thanks to mr Todd Loomis for devising the test...

So if you want to test your midi, do so.

With my macbook pr, logic 8 express, amt8, fireface 800, i get 1ms of midi jitter on this test.

do the test. i promise it will spit out shit on your pc....

@hexfix

"i love being hated :) i don't live mainstream, dont think mainstream, and am very much different in every way from most people on this earth, and i take pride in that."

Yeah, you're indiecore for sure. Goth and death rock punk? Holly shit, dude. You're a model of individualism and certainly not blatant stupidity.

And Straight Edge? Woah. You're not livig a uniform life where you follow rules. Yeah, dude. OK.

i did a lot of drugs before... so i know both sides of the fence and rules...

Gabe Newell looks like the World of Warcraft dude from South Park

@Knives

You clearly haven't had an epic cherry pie.

Also, cake is win.

As far as developing on the ps3 is concerned, microsoft has their balls in a vise grip. These are the guys who made fucking visual studio, directX and .NET. XNA allows ANYONE to develop games in visual studio and play them on their 360, Sony can't beat that, they are a hardware company.

The cake is a lie. Gabe stole it all!

Gabe knows what he's talking about (shitstorm).

am very much different in every way from most people on this earth

Haha, I wanted to get on the bash hexfix93 train, it has been a fun ride thus far... Back to the quote: you are different just like everyone else. Congratulations on your epiphany about being a unique snowflake, but lets be realistic here... you are the same as every other windows-hating clueless fanboi piece of shit that regurgitates an opinion to the online tubes. You've said nothing that is unique; you've said quite a few things that are ignorant.

Why pledge allegiance to any one system? I pledge my allegiance to gaming in general. I'll play whatever is good and I can afford. I don't care about company history, mascots, or the infamous "next-gen" adjective. Right now TF2 is good, and if you're a real gamer with a chance to play it why skip over it because you didn't like the opinion of a big man?

ToeKing, your last sentence is my sentiments exactly. I could not have said it better myself

I dunno about 'waste of time'. Again, MS had a rough start too. We just gotta wait to see. If anything, I've enjoyed having a Blu-Ray player :D.

Man... gotta love all the people who love their PS3 so much that they're willing to alienate a company, and anyone who speaks ill of it, just to defend themselves against a simple opinion. I wish people had that sort of dedication to things that mattered...

IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT! DON'T BUY IT. BUT STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE PS3, STOP BITCHING ABOUT PEOPLE BITCHING ABOUT THE PS3! This thread is full of epic fail. Feel free to boycot Valve for their opinions, it won't be the first time a company was hurt by PR.

As to all the people bitching that Valve doesn't want to learn the PS3 hooks. What's the problem with that? Developers are lazy. That's what we were trained to be. I think someone hit it on the head when they said M$ did it right. Shit like visual studio, XNA, DirectX, it's all for ease of development. M$ cares more about publisher/developer relations, while Sony cares more about raw power. Which you prefer is a personal preference, but it is a pretty obvious choice to go with cheap and easy over hard and expensive. Find a single for profit organization that is actively searching for ways to make their work harder, with no guarentee that it'll positively effect their profits.

If anything, I'm more worried about his Wii comment. Why the fuck would Valve need to do shit on the Wii. The Wii demographic and teh Valve demographic are too separate I think. (And this is coming from a Nintendo Fanboy who's eagerly awaiting more games)

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Hexfix? Indie and unique? Let me think about that...



Yeah, you and millions of other people. Once you start flaunting your uniqueness, you cease to be unique and you start being a tool. Stop.

Anyway, I think we're all missing the point here. I think the real question we need to be asking is, Would GayBear tittyfuck Gabe?

FLAME WAR

Mostly just lame. And dear heflix, you think you are unique? You are the Hot Topic punk I see through the window flipping threw the vinyls and trying on spiked bracelets and necklaces, taking special care not to screw up your Elmer's glue hairdo and hoping not to smudge your black lipstick. You devilish person, you give "bad" a whole new meaning. Rawr. I have never seen someone so unique; so different. You are very innovative, a prodigy indeed. No one has ever spiked their hair, no one has ever EVER liked death metal (OH NOES!) or done drugs. Big deal.

And screw, might I add, you.

, i dont shop at hottopic you fucking asshole! i hate hottopic..

@hexfix93 Actually the PS3 can do 13x the math the Xbox can, maybe more the Xbox can pull a million and something the PS3 can pull a tera.

"to me a console that breaks every time a good game comes out is a complete waste of money"

Like the PSX and PS2 with their massive laser failure rate? Oh snap!

@hefix....

wow are you serious...how about you go and play half-life 2 you fuckign rediculous person. It was the best Fps in a very long time. It's one of thsoe fps's that tell a story and btw it still has the best facial expressions in gaming. Get your head out of your ass...imsoniac is a much bigger company. I bet they have 2 different divisions rolling out games. resistance is trash anyways...and ratchet and clank may look cool...but in the end it's just not that fun.

Wait... He complained about the move to multicore on the XBox 360 because a hardware issue (single thread performance) is now a software issue (parallelization of code). Since Valve makes software, the move to multiple cores makes their job more difficult, since there's more software to write.

How exactly does this make the PS3's SPEs fare worse than the 360's multiple CPU cores? Does Valve have a problem just because the PS3 has 7 vector cores and the 360 has 3 (one for each CPU)? What about the advantage of having so many vector cores but only one CPU, so you have fewer control threads to worry about? Multiple co-processors are easier to manage than multiple CPUs.

It sounds to me like Valve is taking the easy way out -- designating a CPU core exclusively for one type of task (like physics). That's easy... and inefficient. A proper management system would break down tasks into packets and then those are executed independently of each other via a scheduler. With the right engine, I would think that the lack of power in the main CPU might be a problem, but the tasks wouldn't be harder to manage, overall.

Without a proper management system, you run into massive problems when you add more cores. Hence, the problems with 360 ports running like crap on the PS3. Are developers even trying?

I think the real problem here is that the software guys were like Intel: they expected faster single-core CPUs. Nobody has put any serious thought into massively parallel processing, and now everyone is in a panic because they don't know the optimal way of doing it. With actual product budgets at stake, now is not the time to experiment -- they want to port their PC engines and make software NOW.

Is there some kind of new rule where people don't have to work for their profits, anymore? Ah, yes, that's Nintendo's siren song.

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i have owned 3 ps2s, and they never broke down. and fixing a lazer that gets un calibrated is not that hard to fix, even an am-mature could fix it. not the case in the 360. i never once had a problem with any model of the ps2 i have owned, and i played a lot of games on those systems.. never had a problem...

i'm boycotting all of valves bs. one map for for the capture the flag, gimme a friggen break. what a joke. lame old game, i bought half life 3 years ago, im not paying for it again. screw those guys, and it is not the best game of all time. BS

the best game of all time is star control 2 on the 3d0. kiss my ass..

or maybe final fantasy 7 on the ps1..