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G4's President tells us what we already knew: Money talks, BS walks photo

Life is a funny thing. Sometimes, what may seem like a brilliant idea that just can't lose often turns out just the opposite when put into play. Ironically enough, those thoughts that were cast aside as worthless occasionally find their mark, leaving us all scratching our heads in wonderment -- and cursing the powers that be. That would seem to be the case with what was once known as G4 TV. 

Launched in 2002, it was designed to cater to a very specific demographic, and it was surmised that with enough money, talent, and exposure, it could do for videogames what MTV did for music. As we now know, it floundered. There were a couple of standout shows such as Cinamatech, Filter, Judgment Day, and Icons, but the station just didn't have enough content to keep things fresh and interesting. As someone who liked to frequent the station when nothing else seemed inviting on cable at the moment, I can personally vouch for this. More often than not, you would either find constant reruns of shows that had already aired, or even worse, long blocks of infomercials. Looking back, it's not exactly the eighth wonder of the world as to why things had to change.

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The channel has seen a couple of programming changes since then, but if you flash forward to the present time and compare it to G4's earliest days, you would think that the two were never related. Now, you are likely to find that the vast majority of programming seems to include videogames as an afterthought. Now here's the kicker: viewership is at an all time high. According to G4's President, Neal Tiles, business is better than ever:

Let me preface all of my comments on these types of questions by saying that G4, and TechTV before it, has never been watched more than it is right now, since shifting away from an "all videogame" format…the network has realized huge ratings gains and web, VOD and podcasting traffic. We are in our 35 consecutive month of ratings growth (not sure if any other TV network can match that) and we have more VOD and podcasting views than any other ad supported cable network. I say this off-the-bat in an attempt to minimize what will inevitably be future callous flaming responses of "G4 sucks!" or "G4 went downhill ever since it moved away from ‘all gaming’"….simply, the network has never been stronger as a business.

So what does this tell us about the state of videogame television? G4 is saying that they've been there, done that, and it just doesn't work. It could be argued that videogames tend to displace television, and that we look to the Internet to keep us abreast of what is going on in the gaming world. Equally so, it could be said that G4 was its own worst enemy from the start. They hyped up the channel, but just didn't follow it up with enough relevant content to keep themselves afloat.

None of us seem to have all of the answers, but the next time you happen to click on the channel and are met with episodes of Cops, Cheaters, or Star Trek, at least you know the reason why. The old model for videogame television is broken. If there's any hope of ever making a new one that works, it's going to have to magically attract gamers and nongamers alike. You know, like regular TV shows. Until then, you can always console yourself with a trip back in time, if urge hits you, I suppose.


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loki d20's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:19
loki d20
Huh. Spend time watching people talk about video games, or play video games? Gee, wonder which one I'd rather do when I'm sitting in front of a TV?
VGFreak1225's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:24
VGFreak1225
Never considered this. I guess I would still like more videogame shows on G4, but if the things they air is getting them more viewers, I don't blame them. Still, X-Play rocks.
kohelhunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:29
kohelhunter
the channel has sucked for awile now. x-play has sucked since they put morgan web on there. and they completly mtved the channel g4 can blow me.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:30
Y0j1mb0
G4 sucks.

Bring back Tech TV.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:31
Mxyzptlk
They ate Tech TV and cancelled every good show they had except for X-Play. For that I will always hate them.
talon84's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:33
talon84
I think G4 got taken over by buisness men and a bunch of frat boy jocks. I'll accept star trek but jamie kennedy, cops, the block season 1 AND 2!?!?!?!?! I'll only watch AOTS and X-Play, those are the only shows on that network that are actually bearable to watch. The last new game related show that they have put on that network was Code Monkeys.
kohelhunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:33
kohelhunter
my problem with g4 money>ideals. They had an idea for a channel that could have worked and been good if stuck to their guns.
bam2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:35
bam2003
i like G4, lets face it, their programming is stoners
bam2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:36
bam2003
***for stoners hahaha
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:38
DeusPayne
stoner :p
NightDehumidifier's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:39
NightDehumidifier
BUSINESS! MONEY, FINANCES! That's a more logical answer. No one wants to bet on a dead pony at the races. Now I feel more at ease.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:43
The-Excel
@Mxyzptlk:
The way you say that implies that X-Play is a good show. That can't possibly be correct.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:45
Demtor
I always enjoyed me a good stoning. Wait... what?

Really though, LokiD20 said it best. I read about games all day at work like many others do (or at school if you like) so when I get home do I sit in front of the TV to listen about what I read that day? No sir! I play games. Time is a valuable commodity for me my friends.
Dogen's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:51
Dogen
I always tried to watch G4, thinking I should be interested in it, and ended up bored every time. Now I have destructoid, and my life is much more better.
raucci's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:54
raucci
I actually enjoy G4 TV now. I love shows like Ninja Warrior and Unbeatable Banzuke and I still get me my vid game fill with x-play and Attack of the show. It was a necessary change that turned out alright.
Novakaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:55
Novakaine
"has never been watched more than it is right now, since shifting away from an "all videogame" format"

Uh, wasn't there a stretch when G4 had the lowest ratings in all of television, below even evangelical and TV home-shopping channels?

But anyway, I loathe G4. TechTV was always better, and it will always be better. I remember a time when Morgan Webb was a cute nerdy girl and didn't look like a hooker; and when Adam Sessler wasn't made out to be an incompetent and was a cool guy.

And Extended Play is the best video games-related show ever.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:55
Magesx
JUST BRING BACK JUDGMENT DAY.

EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE.
weedgan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:56
weedgan
I miss the good old G4.

Now its just about beer and debauchery, and fuckin Ipods, and tits and asses and all that stupid shit.

I blame Olvia Munn, seriously why the hell does she have her own little section called "in your pants"? I dont need help on that shit from most of all THE FUCKIN TV...stupid stupid shits.

I was just watching AOTS yesterday, and theres a spot called ovlias rack, right AFTER the in your pants section, and its about magazines? Please shut the fuck up, nobody cares about all those shitty magazines you endorse. Dtoid is all you need for the news anyway, all games no bullshit, and if you dont liek someone you can call them out for it, thats the greatness about DTOID.

X-play is the only show on there thats good, and star trek sucks ass on there because theres a fuckin feed on the bottom of the screen, OHHH CHAT ROOMS R SO NEET!

fuck cops

fuck jamie kennedy

fuck AOTS, KEVIN AND OLVIA CAN GO TO HELL!

fuck all the shitty late night programming.

and

FUCK G4
sweetchuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 09:56
sweetchuck
"it could do for videogames what MTV did for music"
Well, I would argue it did exactly that, but much much quicker. MTV sucks for music, but is great if you want to see semi-scripted "reality" shows. The trouble with comparing the two is that at the start MTV could just show a stream of music videos all day, with barely any need of people or money to run it. Unless you plan on just showing game trailers all day, you are going to need hosts (and therefore money) to review, demo, show cheats, etc. G4 just needs to adjust its stance to TV for geeks, get rid of Cops and Cheaters, and then the station overall would make more sense. Seriously, who is watching original Star Trek, and then stays tuned in for Cops? That said, I do enjoy Attack of the Show and X-Play, and Ninja Warrior is surprisingly addictive, but that's it.
Harsgault's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:01
Harsgault
X-Play was a good show, back when they reviewed video games.

Arena was more fun to watch than people often like to admit, but it just couldn't produce new tournaments/episodes. Which is a problem we are seeing with Ninja Warrior as well. Of course whenever Cops or Cheaters is playing, I'm watching other channels. Just no interest there.
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:07
Kryptinite
I only watch TV for Lost so I haven't become a witness of the decline of G4.

That being said, they should just move that whole network to the Internet and be done with it.
Rucksack's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:09
Rucksack
Yes, I'll agree that G4 has MTV'd themselves and that the programming has suffered because of it; but X-Play is actually a pretty fun little show.

Seriously why all the hate for X-play?
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:10
michiyoyoshiku
Replace the bullshit shows with Anime and wrestling and it's a gamer's heaven again
kohelhunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:17
kohelhunter
@Rucksack
If you ever watched extended play you would know why.
Mr Jonson's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:19
Mr Jonson
two words: Ninja Warrior.

now STFU
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:21
TrailerParkJesus
Basically Tiles is saying its gamers's fault for not watching the tech and videogame shows enough, so instead they replace those shows with ones we don't want to watch. Brilliant!
teknohed's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:33
teknohed
Ikons (now known as game makers) was and is the best thing on G4. I wish some channel, G4, Spike, Gameplay HD or something would do more programming like that on the history of games and hardware. I think there could also be interesting programming on the anthropological aspects of games. Like looking at why people like MMOs or why the Genesis was the dominant console in Brazil or something. So basically I want TV shows based on REtroforce Go and PodToid.
blklabel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:37
blklabel
I want my screen savers back... Tech Tv was always and will always be better than g4/maxim tv.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:39
king3vbo
Personally I'd rather play games then watch TV shows about them
Commodore624's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:41
Commodore624
ok ninja warrior was acceptable and a lil startreck ok but cops is way out of place. The Asian stuff and nerd stuff can stay ridiculously random stuff must go. Boobs and ass is ok but we need the really old good stuff more computers more technology also the real Kevin has been gone for so long Sarah lane and Brendan Moran i <3ed them why they have to go not even to mention Kevin Rose my hero and odd look-a-like

so much sadness =[
Baldheaded Monk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:44
Baldheaded Monk
What they need to do is make a deal with Revision 3. Get the nerd shit back on there, and the viewers will come.

Either that, or put R3 on the TV.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 10:59
Arttemis
I think Star Trek (TOS, TNG, VOY) and Ninja Warrior fit right into a game-related channel. Sci-Fi and real-life platforming?! Perfect game companions!!! Same with Anime!

I seriously wish they would drop the Cops and Cheaters bullshit, as well as the other ridiculous 'fluff' that it's bloating the channel. More X-Play, more tech-related news in AotS, keep Cinamatech, Filter, Judgment Day, and Icons - even Cheat.
I do appreciate the channel when I'm able to actually catch glimpses of games that aren't out yet on TV in full quality. Unfortunately, this is now far from the case.
maguszxz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:06
maguszxz
I loved G4TV when it first came out. Now, it has become the MTV for nerds (which isn't a good thing). X-Play is great but it's not enough to hold my interest. I have a few ideas on how to change it up.

1. Add anime and sci-fi shows
2. Get rid of cops (I watch it on TruTV, I don't need to see it here)
3. Bitch-slap Kevin Periera (seriously, he gets up my ass sometimes).
4. Make it more nerd friendly (example, see #1)
5. Make up your minds (you can't be Spike, so please don't try)

Hopefully that will help 10%
eelel kielat's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:08
eelel kielat
all i wach is cheat x-play and icons nothing else
Hobbes's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:32
Hobbes
They need to, at the minimum, axe Cheaters right fucking now. There are at least 5 other channel that are more appropriate for that kind of drek. Bring back Screen Savers damn it! That show ruled. Where else could see how someone modded a pc into and old ammo box. At least they still have X-Play, albeit a bastardized version.
MissHinasaki's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:33
MissHinasaki
It's like when you look at video games vs movies. The Internet offers us a sense of interactivity that TV just doesn't do. It may have seem like a big leap forward (or was at least intended to be) for video games, but did it really do much?
JohnnyWadd's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:35
JohnnyWadd
Viewership is at an all time high? Bullshit. Xplay is about the only close to decent show on the channel. Attack of the Show which used to be alright is fucking unwatchable now.
forgotmypen's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:47
forgotmypen
X-Play, a decent show? no, good sir. just no.
The only thing on AOTS that's changed has been switching the bulldyke mannish chick(?) to the lovely Munn. And Kevin's funny. Stop the "fight the man" rubbish speak.
Video Cognito's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:54
Video Cognito
X-Play is to TV as a piranha is to a penis. They both fucking suck and bite, but not in a good way. G4, in general, is mostly fail. I do, however, like the E3 coverage.

As for the claim that "viewership is at an all-time high", I think it could be true. Spreading out their content to reach a wider demographic is a good move for a business. Especially with Unbeatable Banzuke. Has anybody ever seen this? It's hilarious.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:55
Holyetheline
You know... Icons was my favorite show ever... They could take a story about a game I didn't care about at all and make it sooo interesting... I miss icons.
Faith's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 11:58
Faith
TV Execs never get it. Even now, Roger Media in Canada has canceled The Lab with Leo Laporte. Poor Leo can't get a break.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 12:02
mistic
In Korea they have like multiple channels about video-games, they broadcast world-championship-matches, local tournaments and all that stuff, I'd love to see TV like that!

Immagine being able to follow WGC live, I'd watch almost everything, I love watching highly skilled players do their best... We allways used to 'watch' it via that quake-mod, saw some brilliant matches back in those day, we'd be sitting there all night, watching match after match with beer and chips, just like with football ( no NOT american football! )
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 12:13
Char Aznable
Needs more Diane Mizota.
madamecurry's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 12:29
madamecurry
AOTS and X-Play are good and make sense on the show. Ninja Warriors is fun too and makes snese, it's F'in' ninja competition, but so many reruns. Unbeatable Banzuke is another great fascination. Star Trek, Yes, makes sense. Cops is absurd to have on the channel as well as Cheaters, I don't know a single person who wastes time on BS like this and it does not compliment anything else on the channel. More tech reviews that are more in depth would be nice instead of Tech-teasers that are less than 30 second reviews. More animation, more sci-fi from the 1950's to now. More nerdy content. Watching gaming shows makes sense and can be fun and informative but it's pushing me to turn it off and turn on the console more often instead.
necrozen's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 12:52
necrozen
It rocked when they were two separate channels, G4 and TechTV. Both had watchable shows. And they merged, ditched some pretty good shows, but it was still watchable for 6 months to a year. After that, though, I totally dropped the channel. I'm actually angry at it for killing off all the shows I liked. I was a fan of that Tommy Telerico show where he and the square dude rated games. I always felt they gave a good representation of games they talked about.

So, because I hate them for canceling the shows I liked, I don't even check the station when nothing else is on. Screw them.
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 13:04
brainderailment
I say this off-the-bat in an attempt to minimize what will inevitably be future callous flaming responses of "G4 sucks!"

Just because their viewer-ship is stronger now doesn't mean they don't suck.
niakori's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 13:27
niakori
Meh back when they came out I actually watched G4 more than I played games, Judgment Day, Cheat(when it was Corey), Xplay when they actually did reviews. Icons and that one list show I can't remember the name of. Now there's so much T&A I feel less dirty watching a Bad Girls Club marathon. When did gamers turn to such losers they can only get ass from watching TV?
Cerialthriller's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 13:28
Cerialthriller
i just like to fap to Olivia, Layla, and Morgan
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 13:37
Kyousuke Nanbu
I like some of their japanese shows like Unbetable Banzuke and Ninja Warrior, that weird product show had potential but they went the moronic dubbing route(which will never, EVER be funny).

But yea, the rest of the content is stupid, cheaters, star trek and of course their 2.0 shows(which show you just how stupid most of their viewers are).

Morgan's minute just makes me hate her, she comes off as so arrogant and shallow in them that it makes me dislike her as a person, she has the same attitude on X-Play, I don't care if she plays games or not, I'm just tired of her acting like a know-it all.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/27/2008 13:45
ArrestedDeveloper
Well it's obvious that when Epileptic gaming launched their gaming show that the need for a cable based video game network was no longer needed.
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