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Destructoid staff: would you guys consider making a FAQ that's essentially "Consumer Reports" for gaming? Just have a big list of every game that has an Online Pass or a one time use code that locks out content that would have been on the disc, along with every game that has premium DLC that was made before the game went gold?
Basically, a "stay away from these games" guide. I think it'd be a huge help in the fight against anti-consumer practices by game publishers. Thanks.
Basically, a "stay away from these games" guide. I think it'd be a huge help in the fight against anti-consumer practices by game publishers. Thanks.
How has Capcom been found out, Jonathan? They put all that on the disc avoid incompatibility issues online. Remember the MK DLC fiasco that basically broke online play? Yeah.
@football
I never read that the characters were in disc, just the prologue and endings. This reminds me of Jill being in the PS360 disc of Marvel Vs Capcom 3 but she lacked polishing and the other characters didn't had any voices for her.
I will wait for confirmation about those DLC characters in disc, even if they are, they probably will lack a lot of polish if compared to other characters.
Clothes to me still doesn't matter. Player Juri in SSFIV-SSFIVAE for hundred of hours and always chose the regular costume.
I never read that the characters were in disc, just the prologue and endings. This reminds me of Jill being in the PS360 disc of Marvel Vs Capcom 3 but she lacked polishing and the other characters didn't had any voices for her.
I will wait for confirmation about those DLC characters in disc, even if they are, they probably will lack a lot of polish if compared to other characters.
Clothes to me still doesn't matter. Player Juri in SSFIV-SSFIVAE for hundred of hours and always chose the regular costume.
I'm writing Capcom up to the Better Business Bureau. This is not "DlC" if it's on the disc. You're not downloading content. You're downloading an unlock key. That's fraudulent advertising and misleading business. And that's grounds for an inquiry at least.
I think DLC is often a con, and companies know it is a con, which is why they come up with such shaky defenses for it.
But why jump on Capcom without jumping on others? Bioware mostly got a free pass for its DLC "scandal". Or what about games like Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon, where the CEO once said that they considered releasing DLC for the alien mothership battle, which would have been the logical end (and what people expected to be the end) of the game.
As for SFxT, you *can* argue that DLC has a separate budget. You budget the game on assumptions of how much it will sell. You budget extra DLC on the assumptions of how much the DLC itself will sell. You might work on them simultaneously to reduce costs and have better integration. And once you are doing that, you might as well keep it on the disc, even if incomplete.
Also, did Sony pay for an exclusive? If so, then there is part of the DLC budget right there. Sony paid part up front, while Xbox users themselves will pay the Xbox side after release.
Another option though is that DLC was simply the price of business with Sony. Companies have demanded exclusives before, and with multiplatform releases before DLC that tended to mean permanent exclusives. I remember that Sony at times required multiplatform releases and ports to the original PSP to include exclusive content. That is why the PSP version of games like X-Men Legends 2 had extra characters, and was the first think I thought of when I heard that the Vita (along with the PS3) was getting exclusive characters in SFxT.
But why jump on Capcom without jumping on others? Bioware mostly got a free pass for its DLC "scandal". Or what about games like Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon, where the CEO once said that they considered releasing DLC for the alien mothership battle, which would have been the logical end (and what people expected to be the end) of the game.
As for SFxT, you *can* argue that DLC has a separate budget. You budget the game on assumptions of how much it will sell. You budget extra DLC on the assumptions of how much the DLC itself will sell. You might work on them simultaneously to reduce costs and have better integration. And once you are doing that, you might as well keep it on the disc, even if incomplete.
Also, did Sony pay for an exclusive? If so, then there is part of the DLC budget right there. Sony paid part up front, while Xbox users themselves will pay the Xbox side after release.
Another option though is that DLC was simply the price of business with Sony. Companies have demanded exclusives before, and with multiplatform releases before DLC that tended to mean permanent exclusives. I remember that Sony at times required multiplatform releases and ports to the original PSP to include exclusive content. That is why the PSP version of games like X-Men Legends 2 had extra characters, and was the first think I thought of when I heard that the Vita (along with the PS3) was getting exclusive characters in SFxT.
@jaw
Way to give it the ol college tr... err, apathetic try. Men who roll over and take it have been known throughout history to be men of strong character and valor. I commend you good sir, for so valiantly sticking up for what you believe in - which is fucking nothing apparently.
Way to give it the ol college tr... err, apathetic try. Men who roll over and take it have been known throughout history to be men of strong character and valor. I commend you good sir, for so valiantly sticking up for what you believe in - which is fucking nothing apparently.
If you're okay with paying $60+ for a game that has locked DLC on disc, and then pay extra for that content later on even though you already own the medium that content is on, well, that sucks.
There is nothing about this that's okay. It's not like they said to themselves "Well, shit, these twelve characters won't be done in time, so let's give them away for free when they are!" Because that would be awesome.
There is nothing about this that's okay. It's not like they said to themselves "Well, shit, these twelve characters won't be done in time, so let's give them away for free when they are!" Because that would be awesome.
If you're okay with paying $60+ for a game that has locked DLC on disc, and then pay extra for that content later on even though you already own the medium that content is on, well, that sucks.
There is nothing about this that's okay. It's not like they said to themselves "Well, shit, these twelve characters won't be done in time, so let's give them away for free when they are!" Because that would be awesome.
There is nothing about this that's okay. It's not like they said to themselves "Well, shit, these twelve characters won't be done in time, so let's give them away for free when they are!" Because that would be awesome.
Has anyone surmised that Microsoft had any hand in this? Or am I just too smart for Destructoid comments yet again?
@football
So it's the same case as Jill ? Lacking polishing ?
I still don't know what to think of this. The hacker says the characters are almost complete in the disc reelase, but I really doubt it this DLC would be sold as some kind of code to acess the content.
In the worst case possible is the same as Jill, lacking polishing to be viable against the rest of the cast. I will wait for the hacker to put a video with those DLCs characters playable.
So it's the same case as Jill ? Lacking polishing ?
I still don't know what to think of this. The hacker says the characters are almost complete in the disc reelase, but I really doubt it this DLC would be sold as some kind of code to acess the content.
In the worst case possible is the same as Jill, lacking polishing to be viable against the rest of the cast. I will wait for the hacker to put a video with those DLCs characters playable.
@Zerix
I don't know if this has already been said, but DLC was found on the original Mortal Kombat discs, too.
I don't know if this has already been said, but DLC was found on the original Mortal Kombat discs, too.
@Zerix
I don't know if this has already been said, but DLC was found on the original Mortal Kombat discs, too.
I don't know if this has already been said, but DLC was found on the original Mortal Kombat discs, too.
It really doesn't bother me at all.
If they weren't on the disc, but still had them made ahead of time, nobody would care.
You'll have to download the costumes if they're not on the disc to play with people who do buy them so in reality they're helping you out by including them on there.
If the problem is that they cost money and you think they should be free, you have no argument. It's dlc, welcome to 2012.
The only time something like this makes me mad is when a developer specifically says something like Netherrealm said before Mortal Kombat came out stating that none of the dlc was on the disc, and then it was found on the disc.
If they weren't on the disc, but still had them made ahead of time, nobody would care.
You'll have to download the costumes if they're not on the disc to play with people who do buy them so in reality they're helping you out by including them on there.
If the problem is that they cost money and you think they should be free, you have no argument. It's dlc, welcome to 2012.
The only time something like this makes me mad is when a developer specifically says something like Netherrealm said before Mortal Kombat came out stating that none of the dlc was on the disc, and then it was found on the disc.
Oh Capcom, First you have been going downhill for years, then you canceled MML3..... and now you continue to go downhill with more DLC quagmires ~.~
You make it oh so easy to support other developers ^^
For years the only dev/pub on my list of dev/pubs deal breakers was EA then Ubisoft horned its way onto that list and now it looks like Capcom is vying for a spot on the "Oh they dev/pubed that game.... not interested, no I said not interested good day sir!" list.
You make it oh so easy to support other developers ^^
For years the only dev/pub on my list of dev/pubs deal breakers was EA then Ubisoft horned its way onto that list and now it looks like Capcom is vying for a spot on the "Oh they dev/pubed that game.... not interested, no I said not interested good day sir!" list.
I personally don't think dlc locked on the disk is a problem per se as long as the game itself doesn't feel like its lacking the content like for example in dragon age origins where they showed you the quest telling you to buy the dlc to play them and as long as there is enough content to begin with to warrant its price. Fighters are supposed to have a lot of Characters to choose from and if they don't and they are locked away in the form of dlc we have a problem but if there are loads of fighters availble already I would say you still got a complete game for its fair price and even though the content is already on the disk you already got your money's worth so I wouldn't mind.
@Pedro
In midway's defense, Skarlet was incomplete on the disc. Either they ran out of time, or WB started seeing dollarsigns. Or both.
In midway's defense, Skarlet was incomplete on the disc. Either they ran out of time, or WB started seeing dollarsigns. Or both.
"For whoever mentioned that now-paid stuff used to be free before DLC...that was because there was no choice. You really think that oldschool businesspeople wouldn't have done it if they had been able to? That's naive. "How can we make more money?" is the reason DLC and arcade card systems and all that were invented in the first place. Heck, it's the reason you have to pay 25 cents to play an arcade game. As soon as it became a profit opportunity companies jumped on it.
OR
If these new games had come out back then, you would just have gotten the base game with no opportunity to get extras until the sequel. Which, by the way, you were getting fleeced on left and right. A new full price version of SF2 every year for five years with changes that basically qualify as a free patch or cheap update now...careful what you complain about. :^)"
- Mike Z, creator of Skullgirls, in response to a discussion on the ethics of selling color palettes
OR
If these new games had come out back then, you would just have gotten the base game with no opportunity to get extras until the sequel. Which, by the way, you were getting fleeced on left and right. A new full price version of SF2 every year for five years with changes that basically qualify as a free patch or cheap update now...careful what you complain about. :^)"
- Mike Z, creator of Skullgirls, in response to a discussion on the ethics of selling color palettes
It really doesn't bother me at all.
If they weren't on the disc, but still had them made ahead of time, nobody would care.
You'll have to download the costumes if they're not on the disc to play with people who do buy them so in reality they're helping you out by including them on there.
If the problem is that they cost money and you think they should be free, you have no argument. It's dlc, welcome to 2012.
The only time something like this makes me mad is when a developer specifically says something like Netherrealm said before Mortal Kombat came out stating that none of the dlc was on the disc, and then it was found on the disc.
If they weren't on the disc, but still had them made ahead of time, nobody would care.
You'll have to download the costumes if they're not on the disc to play with people who do buy them so in reality they're helping you out by including them on there.
If the problem is that they cost money and you think they should be free, you have no argument. It's dlc, welcome to 2012.
The only time something like this makes me mad is when a developer specifically says something like Netherrealm said before Mortal Kombat came out stating that none of the dlc was on the disc, and then it was found on the disc.
maybe this has something to do with playing against people who have the dlc and you dont? so you could see these alternate costumes with out having to download a bunch of patches for the dlc?
Doesn't make me want to cancel my pre-order or anything. It's pretty standard now for games to have on-disc DLC. Not really sure what the big deal is considering Capcom did say that eventually everyone would get the DLC. Capcom has communication problems like you wouldn't believe sometimes and they contradict themselves quite a bit, but in the end they tend to do right by their fans. So don't even worry about it.
Kind of funny to see all the people saying they won't buy the game, or seeing the article itself say that people could go play KoF XIII/BlazBlue/SCV/etc. Fighting game fans will buy SFxT, and they'll probably buy those other games too, but in the end there are really only two things that can happen. Either SFxT turns out to be tourny-worthy and the community picks it up and worships it like they did SF4/SF3/MvC3 or it ends up on the shelf like SCV/KoF XIII/BlazBlue and they go back to SF4/Marvel. While those other games are good, fighting games very rarely have the staying power of Capcom's or Tekken in Asia.
I guess what I'm saying is ... Have fun with your SFxT boycott, but if you choose to play KoF/SCV/BB instead, be warned that it's going to be awfully lonely in a few months. :)
Kind of funny to see all the people saying they won't buy the game, or seeing the article itself say that people could go play KoF XIII/BlazBlue/SCV/etc. Fighting game fans will buy SFxT, and they'll probably buy those other games too, but in the end there are really only two things that can happen. Either SFxT turns out to be tourny-worthy and the community picks it up and worships it like they did SF4/SF3/MvC3 or it ends up on the shelf like SCV/KoF XIII/BlazBlue and they go back to SF4/Marvel. While those other games are good, fighting games very rarely have the staying power of Capcom's or Tekken in Asia.
I guess what I'm saying is ... Have fun with your SFxT boycott, but if you choose to play KoF/SCV/BB instead, be warned that it's going to be awfully lonely in a few months. :)
Da-that was Elena.. In a fighting game... I so a cited so so a cited!
Oh yes and: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Oh yes and: SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!
Oh please. On disc DLC has been a thing since Samba De Amigo on the DREAMCAST. I don't see why people get upset/angry/surprised over this.
cancelling every preorder I have with Capcom, I'm buying al of the games they make used from now on, ALL OF THEM. Even worse maybe I'll just pirate them all. I don't know I'm just sick of publishers abusing the DLC system.
C'mon guys, lets give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they didn't mean to profit by selling you on-disc items.
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What bullshit. Planning on getting it for PC when it eventually comes out, hopefully we'll be able to crack the locked content >:(
You need to get over this shit, idiots. It's on the disc because this is a faster, cheaper, and all-around superior method of delivering the content if it is ready to go when they press the discs.
And so what if the content is "free" to users on PS3 and/or Vita? That just means Sony paid for the content for their customers and Microsoft didn't, though those customers will obviously be able to pay for it themselves later.
If you're keeping track, Microsoft does this shit all the time. Only they never foot the bill for the content themselves, they just make sure that only their customers are able to buy it.
And so what if the content is "free" to users on PS3 and/or Vita? That just means Sony paid for the content for their customers and Microsoft didn't, though those customers will obviously be able to pay for it themselves later.
If you're keeping track, Microsoft does this shit all the time. Only they never foot the bill for the content themselves, they just make sure that only their customers are able to buy it.
Ok, if the DLC they have planned for months down the line (Elena, Cody, Lars ect) are already on the disk and fully functional, as in they are playable characters just like everybody else, but locked out, then yeah, that’s bullshit.
If not, if it’s just some pre rendered cut-scenes and art assets, then I have no idea what everybody is mad about. Haven’t we known for ages that the characters appearing on the Vita (again, Elena, Cody, Lars ect) would be DLC for the console version? Or am I the only person who used the power of common sense to figure out that every time Capcom says “you’ll only need to buy the one disk to get everything made available for this game” means those characters will be DLC.
If not, if it’s just some pre rendered cut-scenes and art assets, then I have no idea what everybody is mad about. Haven’t we known for ages that the characters appearing on the Vita (again, Elena, Cody, Lars ect) would be DLC for the console version? Or am I the only person who used the power of common sense to figure out that every time Capcom says “you’ll only need to buy the one disk to get everything made available for this game” means those characters will be DLC.
It bothers me, but this is kind of been their modus operandi for a while now. I can't blame MS for not wanting to foot the bill for the extra content though, with the way Capcom has been handling its fighting games as of late it seems like they are intent on another bludgeoning the fighting genre back into irrelevance again and MS shouldn't be blamed for being blackmailed by Capcom for content.
I didn't really want this product that much in the first place. Now that I hear this news, I have zero interest in it. I like fighting games as much as the next time but I have little patience for the bad type of DLC.
I'll just wait a couple years for "Super Duper Street Fighter X Tekken Turbo Arcade Special Limited Edition."
Maybe Capcom always intended to release Mega Man and Pac-man for free (just like they're doing on March 13th for PS3), but they can't for 360 because of Microsoft's non-free DLC policy.
They HAD to know someone was going to find these assets, after Hot Coffee, Czar Dragon in FF6 etc. and that it'd lead to a shitstorm. Maybe this is their attempt to publicize this issue.
This totally unsubstantiated theory doesn't explain the other characters though XD.
They HAD to know someone was going to find these assets, after Hot Coffee, Czar Dragon in FF6 etc. and that it'd lead to a shitstorm. Maybe this is their attempt to publicize this issue.
This totally unsubstantiated theory doesn't explain the other characters though XD.
Baines said it best
But why jump on Capcom without jumping on others? Bioware mostly got a free pass for its DLC "scandal". Or what about games like Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon, where the CEO once said that they considered releasing DLC for the alien mothership battle, which would have been the logical end (and what people expected to be the end) of the game.
Every freaking game company does this especially bioware,EA,and activision.
@Fuzunga
NO they wouldn't have, they would have been like sf2 to sf2turbo to ssf2 to ssf2turbo. You would have had to buy the game 4 times or you wouldn't have had the game at all.
But why jump on Capcom without jumping on others? Bioware mostly got a free pass for its DLC "scandal". Or what about games like Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon, where the CEO once said that they considered releasing DLC for the alien mothership battle, which would have been the logical end (and what people expected to be the end) of the game.
Every freaking game company does this especially bioware,EA,and activision.
@Fuzunga
NO they wouldn't have, they would have been like sf2 to sf2turbo to ssf2 to ssf2turbo. You would have had to buy the game 4 times or you wouldn't have had the game at all.
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