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I'm not gonna say that Free Radical is scapegoating, but with a little more development time, mabye it could have been better.
They might have a point if Haze's problems stemmed from a lack of polish, but I'm sorry, its problems went a lot deeper than that.
The bland overall level design and embarrassingly poor plot bespoke problems at the conceptual level, not the technical level.
The bland overall level design and embarrassingly poor plot bespoke problems at the conceptual level, not the technical level.
Maybe Free Radical should have just made a better game and learned to take responsibility for their own actions.
Sorry, but this is NO excuse for Haze to have such a crappy storyline, gameplay, and horrible voice acting/dialog.
I dunno, I never tried it. I had high hopes, considering how much I enjoyed Timesplitters 2, but I heard too many bad things about Haze to even be bothered.
Its not like Free Radical have never made a good game, so there may be some truth there. Still, the fault lies with them, hopefully they've learnt from this that people like fun, well designed, polished games, not necessarily ones that push the hardware.
It's an undeniable fact that several developers are able reach amazing results on the PS3.
This means that those developers whining about how hard it would be to develop for it can only blame their own inability for their failures.
Simple as that.
This means that those developers whining about how hard it would be to develop for it can only blame their own inability for their failures.
Simple as that.
Rushing a project on a console you don't have a lot of experiance with will probably not end good.
We don't know how proficient they where with the 360 either so who knows wether it would have turned out better.
We don't know how proficient they where with the 360 either so who knows wether it would have turned out better.
They rushed it out... they didn't know what they were doing.
Why blame it on the hardware when so many developers get it right?!
Why blame it on the hardware when so many developers get it right?!
I actually liked the multiplayer... it was very inventive, fun and with each side having different abilities, it was fairly well balanced.
The game ran just fine on the PS3... if they had technical issues, fine - but don't blame technical issues for BAD dialogue and a rather mediocre plot. The levels were unimaginative and the game was just simply "average". I think that with all the hype surrounding the game it got unnecessarily bad reviews, which further hurt the game... because it was a solidly average shooter game not a "bad" game.
It did have co-op campaign (which was great)... and the online really was very imaginative... if they had brought some of this inventiveness into the game, it might have done a lot better.
The game ran just fine on the PS3... if they had technical issues, fine - but don't blame technical issues for BAD dialogue and a rather mediocre plot. The levels were unimaginative and the game was just simply "average". I think that with all the hype surrounding the game it got unnecessarily bad reviews, which further hurt the game... because it was a solidly average shooter game not a "bad" game.
It did have co-op campaign (which was great)... and the online really was very imaginative... if they had brought some of this inventiveness into the game, it might have done a lot better.
While that explains the technical issues, it doesn't explain the writing, voice acting, and poor design.
I think wanderingpixel has pretty much nailed it.
At the absolute least, it's evident they released a game they believed was good enough, rather than bollocks. For me I think that was the problem.
At the absolute least, it's evident they released a game they believed was good enough, rather than bollocks. For me I think that was the problem.
I'm tired of developers bitching about the PS3 is oh so difficult to make games on. Well life ain't easy, and it's your fucking job. Man up, learn your shit, and get better at it. Don't blame it on the system because you suck.
I would respect their failure much more if they just said "sorry, we thought we could do it, but it was harder than we expected, we could have done a better job."
Better that, then listen to someone blaming the tools. "Sorry, my hammer isn't good enough".
They loose even more credibility when Naughty Dog, Insomniac and those guys actually manage to make good games at their first try, first party developer or not.
Sorry, Free Radical just screwed up, if they can't handle the console, don't hype their game.
Better that, then listen to someone blaming the tools. "Sorry, my hammer isn't good enough".
They loose even more credibility when Naughty Dog, Insomniac and those guys actually manage to make good games at their first try, first party developer or not.
Sorry, Free Radical just screwed up, if they can't handle the console, don't hype their game.
Um, no.
I bought this for $12 (TWELVE dollars) and I felt I spent too much. Good grphics would not have helped this game in ANYway shape or form!
Does the PS3 control the crappy story line and piss poor voice acting?
I bought this for $12 (TWELVE dollars) and I felt I spent too much. Good grphics would not have helped this game in ANYway shape or form!
Does the PS3 control the crappy story line and piss poor voice acting?
I have no idea why I typed good graphics....lol Damn being at work and having to actually work in mid sentence!
Excuses...Saying the PS3's hardware is hard to design for is like saying its hard to make graphics look good on the Wii. It's a cop out. They didn't try hard enough. Obviously it's possible to do, but they didn't put in the necessary effort. Blaming the system won't get you anywhere.
PS3 is known to be tougher to develop for, but the problems are always performance issues or graphical issues. This doesn't excuse bad design. If the design of the game affected by trying to get the game to run properly, then your studio is doing something wrong, or you have a tiny dev team.
Haze was just a bad game. It had an interesting idea behind it, but they didn't use that idea well at all. You can't blame the console for the game having a shitty story and flat combat.
@ sarlac
Killzone 1 was dubbed the Halo Killer by the Media.
Haze was dubbed the Halo killer by Xbots.
Killzone 2 is the Halo killer.
Killzone 1 was dubbed the Halo Killer by the Media.
Haze was dubbed the Halo killer by Xbots.
Killzone 2 is the Halo killer.
Developers blame the PS3, fanboys blame the developers who blame the PS3. Because every developer should be able to easily pick up and start coding for a completely different architecture then what they are used too.
@ BrainLazy
we're three years into this gen. if devs haven't figured out how to deal with the PS3 by now then that's their own fault. They also chose to cancel the PC and 360 versions so they could've prove this point by picking those back up and releasing them. And I'm sorry but Uncharted was an exclusive launch title done by the guys who did Jak and Daxter. It's not that devs should be able to pick up something new right off the bat, it's just that when other companies have created great things (MGS4, Uncharted, Infamous, Killzone 2, Motor Storm) Free Radical saying the PS3 is too difficu;t just looks like they didn't put effort into trying.
we're three years into this gen. if devs haven't figured out how to deal with the PS3 by now then that's their own fault. They also chose to cancel the PC and 360 versions so they could've prove this point by picking those back up and releasing them. And I'm sorry but Uncharted was an exclusive launch title done by the guys who did Jak and Daxter. It's not that devs should be able to pick up something new right off the bat, it's just that when other companies have created great things (MGS4, Uncharted, Infamous, Killzone 2, Motor Storm) Free Radical saying the PS3 is too difficu;t just looks like they didn't put effort into trying.
What's with the comments saying that Sony back this game up? Free Radical for some strange reason dropped the PC and 360 versions completely.
If you're having problems, then don't release it early. Fix your mistakes.
Not that I believe a word I read up there.
Not that I believe a word I read up there.
"The bland overall level design and embarrassingly poor plot bespoke problems at the conceptual level, not the technical level."
Keep in mind that technical problems make absolutely every part of your game suffer. And while INNITIAL ideas can be good, they have to be thrown out in order to make things quickly that work.
Also: "If you're having problems, then don't release it early. Fix your mistakes."
You must be new to the industry. Here's how it works: Developer is given a time to finish a game by. This is not including pre-production. That time is flexible by a month or two, generally. If your game is not ready at that time, it is either A) thrown out entirely, or if it shows any promise B) it is released 'as is.' There's the additional 'C' of certain exclusives (Killzone) that are given extra YEARS to make it work.
So keep in mind that they MAY be telling the truth. I'm not defending them -- they very likely could have just screwed up -- but what they are saying is not IMPOSSIBLE.
Keep in mind that technical problems make absolutely every part of your game suffer. And while INNITIAL ideas can be good, they have to be thrown out in order to make things quickly that work.
Also: "If you're having problems, then don't release it early. Fix your mistakes."
You must be new to the industry. Here's how it works: Developer is given a time to finish a game by. This is not including pre-production. That time is flexible by a month or two, generally. If your game is not ready at that time, it is either A) thrown out entirely, or if it shows any promise B) it is released 'as is.' There's the additional 'C' of certain exclusives (Killzone) that are given extra YEARS to make it work.
So keep in mind that they MAY be telling the truth. I'm not defending them -- they very likely could have just screwed up -- but what they are saying is not IMPOSSIBLE.
To the ones saying that the only developers that get good results on the PS3 are owned by sony should honestly get a clue.
Is Konami owned by Sony? Just as much as Square-enix?
I didn't hear kojima whining about how terrible working on the PS3 is, like i don't hear anything of the sort from the Final Fantasy XIII team, just to make two examples. I don't hear it from Namco, that continues to develop PS3 exclusive titles (like the upcoming Gundam game that looks awesome) or from Capcom, that makes their PS3 multiplatform titles totally on par with the 360 ones, I don't hear it from the vast majority of developers.
That makes me guess that, most definitely, the problem doesn't lie in the console, but in a couple of western primadonna developers that can't be arsed learning a new system that gives great results to others. 'Nuff said.
Is Konami owned by Sony? Just as much as Square-enix?
I didn't hear kojima whining about how terrible working on the PS3 is, like i don't hear anything of the sort from the Final Fantasy XIII team, just to make two examples. I don't hear it from Namco, that continues to develop PS3 exclusive titles (like the upcoming Gundam game that looks awesome) or from Capcom, that makes their PS3 multiplatform titles totally on par with the 360 ones, I don't hear it from the vast majority of developers.
That makes me guess that, most definitely, the problem doesn't lie in the console, but in a couple of western primadonna developers that can't be arsed learning a new system that gives great results to others. 'Nuff said.
How are they being "primadonna developers" they tried to make there own engine and failed, they couldn't get it working quickly enough and had to sacrafice things like level design, free radical is no where near as big a Sqaure or Namco.
They wern't lazy at all infact they probably bit off way more than they could chew at the time.
From the article I read here they don't sound bitter at all, did you not read the part which said
"I don’t think we’ve seen the best out of the PS3 at all, and I definitely think one of the best things about Crytek and the CryEngine is that we’re now in the best position to get the most out of the hardware."
Try and remember this was in the relativly early days of the PS3 aswell.
Don't get all butthurt.
They wern't lazy at all infact they probably bit off way more than they could chew at the time.
From the article I read here they don't sound bitter at all, did you not read the part which said
"I don’t think we’ve seen the best out of the PS3 at all, and I definitely think one of the best things about Crytek and the CryEngine is that we’re now in the best position to get the most out of the hardware."
Try and remember this was in the relativly early days of the PS3 aswell.
Don't get all butthurt.
Downplaying their own failings by citing development problems when other have done just fine with the console before and after this game was out. Nice try sir but your PR BS doesn't fly.
I'll play devil's advocate because... well someone needs to I guess. Most of the people saying the developer's technical issues have nothing to do with the quality of narrative, level design, voice-acting, etc, seem to assume that the development studio could pull through in those areas *despite* the technical problems they encountered because all of those are separate from the act of properly pushing polygons around on the screen. It should clarified, though, that when a lot of resources are spent on getting something to run passably well, on the general technical baseline of "getting the shit to work", this significantly drains resources from other areas (i.e. budgets for other teams) and stalls development in them as well, causing somewhat of a domino effect.
So, one could make a case that if baseline functionality hadn't been so hard to achieve, more effort could have been put in the other aspects of the game. I think that's what the developers were getting at.
So, one could make a case that if baseline functionality hadn't been so hard to achieve, more effort could have been put in the other aspects of the game. I think that's what the developers were getting at.
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