Tony, why do you make my head asplode?

I play inverted. I grew up playing flight sims for most of my childhood. there is nothing wrong with wishing everything was a fighter jet.

Its like pushing mongo.

I can't play FPS games on consoles if there's no inverted.. the whole pushing up to aim up thing just doesn't make any sense.

"Of course, something confuses me here. If Brandon was flying with inverted controls, that would mean that pulling back on the flight stick would have made the helicopter climb."

Now, there's no shame in having no experience flying a helicopter. But. "Inverted" implies that it is the opposite of the norm. When you're pointing an aimer, up is up and down is down. When you're flying a helicopter, back is back and forward is forward. You want to tip the helicopter forward? Tip the joystick forward.

Brandon plays inverted.

Real men play with their Y inverted. Everyone knows that.

Why does it not make sense? Up is up and always will be up.

Unless you are playing a flight sim.

And you shouldn't be playing FPS games on a console anyway.

@zantetsuken...

I play most of my FPSs on console. Why should they be played on it?
For one, I find that Battlefield 3 is actually more enjoyable without people sniping me with smgs from across the map.

People who play non-inverted are like the left-handed people of the gaming community. We should round them up and gas them or set them on fire and then put it out with pee or something.

Damn non-inverted lefties ruining everything including Splinter Cell.

Helicopter controls are not the same as airplane controls. Freddie pulled the cyclic stick, which would have simply made the chopper move backwards. He should have pulled the collective lever if he wanted to climb. So, Brandon was playing with swapped sticks rather than inverted?

Only one of my plays inverted. It's annoying to switch off after him, since you have to edit the controls.

weezcake: It'd make sense if your head was on backwards.

LMAO!! My husband plays inverted... drives me crazy when I use his system.

@hpv -

Tilt your head back - you're looking up.
Tilt your head forward - you're looking down.

Make sense now?

@JibbSmart

It would be "normal" in the case of a real helicopter, but here we are applying videogame logic, so "normal" would be "up = up" and "down = down."

I play with inverted Y. People always have to complain about turning it off after I play. It's funny because it takes me two seconds to turn it on. I'm guessing simple tasks are just more difficult for people who don't play inverted.

@LEONOFDEATH
On consoles, I snipe with the pistol from across the map.

On topic: Up is up, down is down.

@Tony Ponce

It's subjective -- to me, in any situation when I'm orientating my entire being rather than just looking around, forward = forward and back = back. One's no more right than the other, except that one is seen in a lot of real-world applications. The other, as demonstrated in this video, is often considered "inverted".

I'm ambidextrous and play inverted, nice to meet you all.

I also get the complaints about having to change controls when someone switches off with me, but get this, I HAVE TO CHANGE THE CONTROLS EVERY TIME I PICK UP THE CONTROLLER. Quit yer bitchin!

lol, hes not even inverted, they messed up juuuust a tad there.

Makes sense to me. Tilt your head forward, youre looking down. If you play with the controller facing up vertically right in front of your face I can see how you would think "up is up", but for normal people its not up, its forward.

I mean "normal" as in people who play inverted, because people who play normal are just fucked in the head.

pushing up to point up feels like you're using a cursor, not a gun. I can't play without inverted

@Jasper

Edit the controls? you mean switch inverted off?

what do you do, like, CONSTRUCT sandwiches instead of make them?

Yeah, that helicopter thing is completely wrong.

Also, when I'm playing a game, I'm not worrying about which direction I'm tilting my head. I'm not tilting my head, I'm moving a fucking dot around a screen.

Up goes up, down goes down.

The whole "you tilt your head DOWN to look UP" argument is garbage. If that were correct, everyone would invert the X-axis too. But we all know how silly that is...

@amtalx

And yet, almost every game I've played has that. I can't even imagine getting used to inverting X.

Inverts are everything that is wrong with the world.

@amtalx

Who the hell tilts their head down to look up? That doesn't make sense at all since that's not even what the argument is.

You tilt you head forward to look down and backwards to look up, which is why inverted makes sense.

Up and forward is not the same thing, same with down and backwards.

My cock is inverted. No? Ok i'll go then.

No one complained when they played Goldeneye on the N64 inverted..

I have the answer: Flight Sims messed people up.

Also, for people who actually think about the physics of it all: when pointing a weapon(a shotgun for example), you move the front end of it to aim, while the back end is pressed against you(and pretty stationary).
Also also, in·vert (n-vûrt)
v. in·vert·ed, in·vert·ing, in·verts
v.tr.
1. To turn inside out or upside down: invert an hourglass.
2. To reverse the position, order, or condition of.

The definition pretty much says it all; if you invert, you are backwards.
How do you like them apples?

What about up, up, down, down, follow me here... Left, right, left, right and finally Bad Ass.

Just to make thing more confusing, has anyone noticed how many Japanese games call normal controls inverted and what we call inverted they call normal?

Or you could just be multi-vert?
Normal for FPS, Helicopters and Inverted for Jets and Third Person.

I think there is a bit of a confusion here caused by what games define as inverted, which messes up the joke somewhat. In some games, non-inverted is forward=look down, back=look up whilst in others forward=look up, back=look down. In FreddieW's world, non-inverted is the former.

I think the "up"="up"/"up"="down" crowd is partly on whether you consider the control stick to be forward/back or up/down, and partly on whether you think the stick controls your head or just your eyes.

If you can imagine the control stick is stuck on the back or top your head, pushing forward would push your viewpoint down, whilst pulling back would pull it up - only in the situation that you're controlling it from in front of your character would you consider that to be otherwise. If you imagine the control stick is essentially a glorified (and slightly wobbly) d-pad and moving it simply moves your eyes, then up is up and down is down.

Personally, I see the control stick as forward/back in 3D worlds, so likewise I see the traditional way as correct, as opposed to the 2D way.

It's kinda funny trying to make the camera=head argument consisetent. That means tilting the stick left and right shouldn't make sense, you should have to rotate it.

Anyway, I find I can generally get used to any camera configuration within 10 mins of play, but prefer non-inverted, as I don't think of it as an actual camera or head. Press up, view goes up, down and view goes down, left goes left, right goes right. Makes more sense to me than one dierection inverted and the other not.

Playing with inverted controls is almost as bad as being left handed.

Probably worse.

All I gotta say is that I loved those older Splinter Cell games but because they removed inverted aim (why?) I will not be picking up this collection and its simple as that.

Ubisoft, Y U no want my money?

I'm left handed and I don't like the anti-left handedism in this thread...

Also, fuck inverted controls.

I play my FPS games lefty inverted, because I have to as it happens to be natural for me. Never learned that way, just how it is kinda like writing. Sad to see developers make stupid decisions like this.

I have been playing inverted mouse in fps since doom and can't play regular. Funny thing though I can't play inverted on a controller with analog sticks. It has to be regular

Pretty sure that's how flying shit works. You pull back on the stick, it goes up, you push forward, it goes down. Makes perfect sense. Thus, the opposite would be "inverted", I would imagine.

amtalx: Back is up, forward is down, but left and right are simply left and right. If you think about the Y-axis as the neck moving forward and back, that works fine. However with a control stick, the Z-axis that would make the neck pivot left or right is absent so the "neck/head" philosophy isn't applied here.

On the other hand, if you think of controlling the player character's orientation as shifting their centre of gravity, it all makes sense.


32BitSin: FPS's used to have "invert mouse" as the norm. The option was called "invert mouse" as the mouse's primary function is to move a cursor around. Pushing the mouse forward would make the cursor move upward etc. Since a game like Quake would have the player's perspective locked to the cursor, the mouse was inverted by default for a natural feeling control scheme.

So guess it was really gamepads with analog sticks that "messed people up."

@phoebus, the reason no one thinks of inverted x-axis in the same way is pretty simple. looking up or down involves only moving your head, which is why people use the camera=head argument. but moving the right stick to the left or right doesn't turn your head in FPS games, it turns your entire body. if you are talking about a 3rd person shooter or adventure game, you will see a lot more people invert the x-axis controls as well (i do that sometimes).

Only real gamers play inverted. Better accuracy. More precision. The way normal people play. Play inverted, and join the ranks of the elite. Or be a tool and play non-inverted. Your call.

I'm right, you're normal. Questions?

When moving a cursor -- up = up, down = down, left = left, right = right.

When manipulating an object (such as an aircraft) -- forward = forward, back = back, left = left, right = right (you'll often turn left or right by tilting your aircraft in that direction, even if there's technically more to it than that).

Some third-person Japanese games calling it the other way around -- this often comes from the idea that you're moving the camera, not rotating it. Move the camera to the right in a third-person game, but it is locked onto the player, so it looks left as it does so. Many early 3D platformers would have you moving the camera rather than moving your viewing direction.

Until about 3 years ago I just assumed most people played inverted as the majority of my irl gaming friends did so, and it was always that one annoying friend that had to pause and switch when controllers swapped. I guess I was wrong. Still though, I would have bought Splinter Cell HD if it had inverted controls available. I was just thinking about those games the other day, too.

To put into perspective:

Inverted - Using the idea of tilting heads explained the concept quite well. Tilt forward to lookdown, tilt backwards to look up. This idea assumes you look at it in a three-dimensional space.

Normal - Assume the crosshair in your game is in a 2D plane, namely the YZ plane. Hold a flat surface upright, place your thumb on in, and designate the place you placed the thumb as co-ordinate 0,0. Move your thumb up, your "crosshair" goes up, down, and etc etc.

There's nothing wrong with preferring one option than the other. If your brain is hard-wired to perform in one way,then by all means do so.

I play differently I make up=going right, down=going, left up=going right, down=going left, so what kind of controls do I play with :O