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And now wait for the inevitable spreading of the news, and by 8 tonight I'll be sitting down to see that loser Hannity ripping on the game as being friendly to terrorists.
There's usually a video games professional arguing the side of the game in these interviews, but apparently FOX are forgoing having a fair debate about games these days. It's a lot harder to yell BAN THIS SICK FILTH if someone with a brain is sitting next to you, I suppose.
I'm being harsh, of all the video game controversies there have been, this is probably one of the most legitimate complaints on a game there has been. It's a real-life terrorist group in a real-life conflict that is actually happening, in real-life, right now, so I can see how some people might get a bit mad with good reason instead of just getting angry for anger's sake. It's still bullshit though, games deserve just as much praise as films for going into parts unknown, and that's something that people really need to get into their heads.
I'm being harsh, of all the video game controversies there have been, this is probably one of the most legitimate complaints on a game there has been. It's a real-life terrorist group in a real-life conflict that is actually happening, in real-life, right now, so I can see how some people might get a bit mad with good reason instead of just getting angry for anger's sake. It's still bullshit though, games deserve just as much praise as films for going into parts unknown, and that's something that people really need to get into their heads.
Uhhh. It is a shame that a lot of people, networks, etc, cannot get it through their thick skulls that video games are just that, games, and anyone that wishes to play a game no matter the content should be able to play it. The books that depict the current and recent wars, I don't see this same mother protesting those books, or any other media that depicts similar topics. It is also a tad irritating that people are so narcisistic, selfish-meaning just because your offended and don't like something, everyone else should feel the same way and think how you think.
Actually it was revealed on "gametrailers TV" that you'll also be taking the role of the Taliban for the single player aspect. I'm not really cool with that so I probably won't be playing the game. I don't think that the game should be banned, but I won't be playing it. I mean, what does this do for the game? Are you really going to be taking the Taliban's side? Will you be laying in wait with roadside bombs and a cell phone? Will there be civilian casualties due to things like this? I'm wondering if this is just a quick controversy cash grab on EA's part? Basically i'm wondering what aspects of the Taliban will be focused on.
I think we'll be seeing alot more of this as time goes on, I imagine alot of Americans and perhaps even people from other countries that have loved ones fighting in Afghanistan will take issue with this. Only time will tell.
Also it sucks to be stupid. Fox News takes advantage of you.
I think we'll be seeing alot more of this as time goes on, I imagine alot of Americans and perhaps even people from other countries that have loved ones fighting in Afghanistan will take issue with this. Only time will tell.
Also it sucks to be stupid. Fox News takes advantage of you.
Granted-on the other hand i understand the raw feelings media such as this can affect people, but isn't that what media (books, movies, games, etc) are meant to do?
ahh missed the first comment, sooooooo close. id have to agree with you. its just a game. i have a concern but ill have to see as time passes.
Surprisingly, I found FOX News to be pretty reasonable on this matter (at least on the segment shown). Usually, aren't they the first ones to jump on the "videogames are bad" bandwagon?
Some one needs to tell this woman that its a game, not real life.
I sense an imminent increase in reports of "AMG U PLAY AZ DA TALLYBAN DIS GAME IS BADERZ! IT R DISRESPEKTFUL TO UZ!" from many American based news sites in the next few weeks.
I sense an imminent increase in reports of "AMG U PLAY AZ DA TALLYBAN DIS GAME IS BADERZ! IT R DISRESPEKTFUL TO UZ!" from many American based news sites in the next few weeks.
I watched the video, and I must say she did seem like she had her argument together. She didn't rant on about misleading information or plain ignorance. Fox also didn't blindly side with her.
But we are all going to buy this game so fuck her.
But we are all going to buy this game so fuck her.
At least this is a real complaint to have insted of the mass effect bullshit they had. I can understand why shes angry and she has a right to be angry compared to the pointless wining of the mass effect sex thing
has anyone asked someone from Afghanistan if they are okay with people making games about the invading army that has killed hundereds of civillians?
only a matter of damn time. EA better go through with this. This kinda stuff needs to get out there, whether in the name of free speech or not being afraid of what scares or offends us.
Also, last comment, i swear. What about the history of video games-and other country citizens have been playing as their enemy for years. I often play games that depict, play as the US killing other countries citizens, like the Japanese, Germans, Zombies, African Zombies, German-Nazi Zombies, Russians, Convenant, Locusts-wait some of those aren't real, oh yeah-my point..So granted some of those wars/acts happened years ago, but what about stepping in someone/some other countries shoes-They have been playing the enemy for years now....just talking crazy.
"My son didn't get to start over when he was killed."
No, but the general in charge just sent another grunt out to replace him. Your point is?
I have no sympathy for anyone who has lost someone who JOINED THE ARMY AND WENT TO WAR OF THEIR OWN ACCORD.
Grown up's making a decision that put's their life at risk and losing their life is just the same as grown ups putting £10 on a horse and losing it. You pay your money/life and take your chance. If you're so cut up about it maybe you should have persuaded him NOT to join the army?
I have far far far more sympathy for the Afghani people who didn't want a war. The people who didn't get to choose if they would be in front of enemy rockets and bulets or not. The people whos only source of income is poppy fields, poppy fields which the US army are destroying on their way through on their holy war fighting the war on drugs and the war on terror at the same time! is there anything the USA isn't at war against?
/rant.
@Dreamscape - I don't think you are playing as the Taliban in single player, the "two points of veiw" GT was talking about are Tier 1 and the Rangers. Sure it was in a dtoid article on the subject, like earlier today?
-This whole situation is pretty similar to a show I watched last night, try to find "Charly Brookers Gameswipe" - Charley Brooker is the funniest satirical news reporter (kind of a reporter, takes the piss about the news and how the media handle it) in the UK he's like the opposite of Fox news and Gameswipe is a really interesting show he did about the relationship between the media and gaming.
Everyone on this site will like it.
He's like the Jim Sterling that stayed in the UK and got his own TV show.
No, but the general in charge just sent another grunt out to replace him. Your point is?
I have no sympathy for anyone who has lost someone who JOINED THE ARMY AND WENT TO WAR OF THEIR OWN ACCORD.
Grown up's making a decision that put's their life at risk and losing their life is just the same as grown ups putting £10 on a horse and losing it. You pay your money/life and take your chance. If you're so cut up about it maybe you should have persuaded him NOT to join the army?
I have far far far more sympathy for the Afghani people who didn't want a war. The people who didn't get to choose if they would be in front of enemy rockets and bulets or not. The people whos only source of income is poppy fields, poppy fields which the US army are destroying on their way through on their holy war fighting the war on drugs and the war on terror at the same time! is there anything the USA isn't at war against?
/rant.
@Dreamscape - I don't think you are playing as the Taliban in single player, the "two points of veiw" GT was talking about are Tier 1 and the Rangers. Sure it was in a dtoid article on the subject, like earlier today?
-This whole situation is pretty similar to a show I watched last night, try to find "Charly Brookers Gameswipe" - Charley Brooker is the funniest satirical news reporter (kind of a reporter, takes the piss about the news and how the media handle it) in the UK he's like the opposite of Fox news and Gameswipe is a really interesting show he did about the relationship between the media and gaming.
Everyone on this site will like it.
He's like the Jim Sterling that stayed in the UK and got his own TV show.
@DreamScape: You're not playing as the Taliban in the single player. Only in the multiplayer.
You play different sides of the US Army in the single player, such as the various factions of the Tier 1 Operators, and the Army Rangers and what not.
You play different sides of the US Army in the single player, such as the various factions of the Tier 1 Operators, and the Army Rangers and what not.
@PacifismFailed
I was just gonna say that. As long as you're fighting for the Red White and Blue then horrible violence is A-OK :D
I was just gonna say that. As long as you're fighting for the Red White and Blue then horrible violence is A-OK :D
Did anyone mention that the game is being made with the help and collaboration of soldiers that have participated in the Afghanistan conflict?
I don't understand. "Oh my God I play as Taliban, so I won't purchase or play this game" seriously? If that is true, then you're a hypocrite. Who hasn't played GTA? you play as a CRIMINAL. so being a criminal who robs and kills innocent civilians is cool but if you're a terrorist who just kills is not? Assholes. Grow the f*** up and play or don't play because the game is good or sucks.
"My son didn't get to start over when he was killed. His life was over and I have to deal with that every day."
..he should have preordered from Gamestop to get better armor
..he should have preordered from Gamestop to get better armor
Hold on. I thought you could play as Al-Qaeda, not the Taliban. The Taliban are a very real group of people; it would be like playing as the nazis in 1942 (when they were already kind of starting to lose). Al-Qaeda is an international organization without strong affiliations to anything: anybody can be Al-Qaeda but not everybody can be Taliban. This is actually a pretty good complaint from this dumpy-looking lady. All these service people are still dying in horrible ways for something far more confusing than defeating the nazis and being able to virtually kill virtual versions of them is pretty unsavory. I am looking forward to the game, however; and if it is worth playing, I'll play it.
@Dreamscape
I heard the 2 sides of the story you play during the singleplayer campaign is Special Operatives and Army Rangers. So the only time I think you would actually be playing a terrorist is in multiplayer. But I could be wrong.
Someone please confirm this for me...or not, and tell me I'm wrong and an idiot.
I heard the 2 sides of the story you play during the singleplayer campaign is Special Operatives and Army Rangers. So the only time I think you would actually be playing a terrorist is in multiplayer. But I could be wrong.
Someone please confirm this for me...or not, and tell me I'm wrong and an idiot.
I can sympathize with the mother's position based on her son's sacrifice, but her son didn't die fighting in Afghanistan so that pressure groups can make our decisions for us in terms of what media adults chose to consume. He died trying to to help build a better life for the Afghanis and a more freer, more stable world for the rest of us. I really doubt she's taking in consideration what her son would have wanted, somewhat like Cindy Sheehan. Theres a decent chance he was himself a gamer. If she wants to keep the game out of kids hands, thats another topic all together.
And I'd agree with Jim, I do think the host was actually pretty fair. They did reach out to EA for comment, and he does cite the average gamer age. Thats better treatment than games usually get from the media. Good on Fox in this instance.
And I'd agree with Jim, I do think the host was actually pretty fair. They did reach out to EA for comment, and he does cite the average gamer age. Thats better treatment than games usually get from the media. Good on Fox in this instance.
Well I guess this was inevitable, but still a bit annoying and pointless.
She also said "off of...", her argument is invalid.
She also said "off of...", her argument is invalid.
@Boatz - In real life, right now, someone is getting shot by a criminal and left to die. Does this mean GTA is "disrespectful?" Does this mean and Sci-Fi/Mystery/action/drama book/movie/TV SHow gives someone a "right be mad?" Media is meant to engage it's audience and create emotion, even if that emotion is anger. It's unfortunate that there's a war going on, and it's unfortunate that people on both sides and in the middle are dying. Maybe a project like Medal of Honor is actually going to take a close look at that conflict (and the last one) and help people understand it a little better.
@DreamScape - Did you play any of the WWII MoH's or CoD's? Did you play MW2? How come it's "not cool" to have a bloodthirsty enemy that happens to be muslim and from the 21st century instead of aryan and from the 20th? I can understand disliking war games/books/movies/tv shows, but picking and choosing which one sits the best with you smacks of hypocrisy. There are Germans who didn't follow the Nazi party and fled to America just as WWII was starting off. Here they were subjected to discrimination and hatred, much like the Japanese Americans as well, though they were never interred. Don't you think they're just as angry? Personally, I think it's ok to be mad about whatever you want to be mad about, just be prepared to be confronted about any inconsistencies and bias.
@DreamScape - Did you play any of the WWII MoH's or CoD's? Did you play MW2? How come it's "not cool" to have a bloodthirsty enemy that happens to be muslim and from the 21st century instead of aryan and from the 20th? I can understand disliking war games/books/movies/tv shows, but picking and choosing which one sits the best with you smacks of hypocrisy. There are Germans who didn't follow the Nazi party and fled to America just as WWII was starting off. Here they were subjected to discrimination and hatred, much like the Japanese Americans as well, though they were never interred. Don't you think they're just as angry? Personally, I think it's ok to be mad about whatever you want to be mad about, just be prepared to be confronted about any inconsistencies and bias.
Well who really saw this coming..I for one say STFU porker..i can respect that her son and many other soilders have lost they're lives but those men and women chose to join up to fight and protect this country. Sick and tired of any loud obnoxious fucker with access to wikipedia can be a protester and to "fight the good fight." But i love how a woman whose son died to protect freedom and our way of life is trying to take the freedom of choice away from people..VIDEO GAMES ARE NOT THE ENEMY SO PLZ STFU kthx byeee.
I'm honestly half divided about this thing... I usually don't like this type of games, because I suck at them and because I find war really stupid, but well...
Well, maybe the woman is an ignorant, but we have to understand...
The Talibans are not really your playing subject, they kill their own people in sake of... Well, something, because I think really that those guys do that more for the pleasure to cause chaos and mayhem, more than the idea of Holy War that the Islam states, and, really, one thing is a fictional bunch of terrorists, but well...
Al Qaeda... Those guys, it's hard to think playing as them after what they have done, and when his son died at hands of the Taliban, well, seeing this, the reaction is obvious...
Of course, it's OBVIOUS that Fox News is taking advantage more than pointing an opinion, but well, will not be one of the people that say "Don't release it/don't play it!" but...
Honestly it's a tight spot and something to think about it
Well, maybe the woman is an ignorant, but we have to understand...
The Talibans are not really your playing subject, they kill their own people in sake of... Well, something, because I think really that those guys do that more for the pleasure to cause chaos and mayhem, more than the idea of Holy War that the Islam states, and, really, one thing is a fictional bunch of terrorists, but well...
Al Qaeda... Those guys, it's hard to think playing as them after what they have done, and when his son died at hands of the Taliban, well, seeing this, the reaction is obvious...
Of course, it's OBVIOUS that Fox News is taking advantage more than pointing an opinion, but well, will not be one of the people that say "Don't release it/don't play it!" but...
Honestly it's a tight spot and something to think about it
Nevermind you guys confirmed it for me...also I watched the video and stopped after she couldn't answer the reporters first question without stumbling all over herself and then closing her argument with "those aren't based on real people"
TheStripe: There aren't any Grand Theft Auto games about real places.
Also I spit water through my nose about your comment on "inconsistencies and bias"
when did I ever say anything about WW2? I stated my personal opinion. I don't want to play as the Taliban in MOH, so I won't be buying it. This is bias because I stated my own opinion? No one is "picking and choosing" which villains are okay and which aren't, I certainly made no mention of that in my post, but last time I checked the Nazis weren't still doing that whole concentration camp thing. WW2 also happened over 50 years ago. It's not as sore of a subject to most people because the conflict is far removed.
Your argument as a counterpoint to mine is so off topic that I don't even know where to begin. Don't throw around big-boy words like "bias and inconsistencies" if you don't even know what context you're using them because you obviously don't. Do you think you're "doing free speech" a favor for singling me out for having a DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU?
If having different opinions is "bias" then i'm fucking bias, asshole.
Daxelman: I'm pretty sure I saw in the description of Gametrailers TV that they were stating you'd be playing half of the campaign as the Taliban. I'm gonna go watch the segment right now to make sure.
Also I spit water through my nose about your comment on "inconsistencies and bias"
when did I ever say anything about WW2? I stated my personal opinion. I don't want to play as the Taliban in MOH, so I won't be buying it. This is bias because I stated my own opinion? No one is "picking and choosing" which villains are okay and which aren't, I certainly made no mention of that in my post, but last time I checked the Nazis weren't still doing that whole concentration camp thing. WW2 also happened over 50 years ago. It's not as sore of a subject to most people because the conflict is far removed.
Your argument as a counterpoint to mine is so off topic that I don't even know where to begin. Don't throw around big-boy words like "bias and inconsistencies" if you don't even know what context you're using them because you obviously don't. Do you think you're "doing free speech" a favor for singling me out for having a DIFFERENT OPINION THAN YOU?
If having different opinions is "bias" then i'm fucking bias, asshole.
Daxelman: I'm pretty sure I saw in the description of Gametrailers TV that they were stating you'd be playing half of the campaign as the Taliban. I'm gonna go watch the segment right now to make sure.
If videogames are to be considered an art form, then we as gamers should understand the inevitability of critical voices from sources outside of the art itself. Just like Serrano's "Piss Christ," and much the same as Kubrick's "A Clockwork Orange" or Joyce's "Ulysses," the criticism of controversial topics doesn't mitigate the validity of the medium in any way; on the contrary, dialogue is good and necessary so that our medium can grow in much the same way that so many others have before it.
If anything, the fact that videogames are being given such thought and attention on major news outlets means that they have reached a status of importance among our society as a whole, and I believe that this ultimately is a good thing for both the medium and those who appreciate it.
If anything, the fact that videogames are being given such thought and attention on major news outlets means that they have reached a status of importance among our society as a whole, and I believe that this ultimately is a good thing for both the medium and those who appreciate it.
All this controversy will just end up selling more copies of the game.
The No Russian level certainly didn't stop Call of Duty from raking in the billions.
The No Russian level certainly didn't stop Call of Duty from raking in the billions.
I feel for this woman. Her son was killed and now she sees a game where you can play as some of the same people that possibly killed her son. That's a tough thing to comprehend much less accept. I think it's vile that Fox news would put this woman on tv and use her to denounce the game but I'm hardly surprised. It's not like you can attack a grieving mother. While I don't agree with this woman, I sympathize for her loss.
From 1000 b.c up until the invention of T.V people banned, burned and hated on books then T.V comes along people banned burned and hated on shows or movies and now video games people burn ban and hate. There may be legitimate reasons behind banning burning etc but in the end people will move on to hate something else.
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