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Forza devs reckon Xbox 360 is not maxed out yet photo

Everybody knows that the Xbox 360 is less powerful than even the Wii, which is why Final Fantasy XIII will be shipping on eight thousand DVDs. Despite this obvious fact, Forza 3 director Dan Greenawalt believes that there is still plenty of life in the console yet.

"Have we maxed out the 360? Of course not," he explains. "It's a really powerful system.

"When it comes to hardware you always use 100%. Even to make a little arcade game, you'd use 100% of the hardware. But when you're first party, and when you've got a really clever development staff that's world class, hired from all over the industry, then you learn tricks. It's like Tetris.

"With Forza 2 we were the first game on the 360, at least that I know of, that could do 60 frames per second. And we did a lot of things wrong when we built our model. We did some things right, but just like a jigsaw puzzle, the first time you build it, it takes an hour, and the second time you build it, it takes half an hour. Eventually it just takes 15 minutes, because you learn how to build it faster."

I wish game development was exactly like Tetris. Then I might be able to make a game that isn't just a drawing in MS Paint with the word "Videogame" written on it.








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Jesus H Christ's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:11
Jesus H Christ
"Everybody knows that the Xbox 360 is less powerful than even the Wii, which is why Final Fantasy XIII will be shipping on eight thousand DVDs."

Why so biased, Jim? You're very obviously being literally 100% literally literal here, and you NEVER ever NOT ONCE in history EVER said anything bad about Sony, who rapes children. Pull your head out of Kaz Hirai's ass, sheeple!
Duuuude's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:15
Duuuude
Wii has better graphics than the 360????!?!?!1 Are you f**king crazy?? You MUST be nucking futs, you piece of sh!t!!!!!!!!1
TopKatt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:17
TopKatt
Fucking Forza Devs!! YOU'RE BIASED! BIASED I SAY!!!!!!!!!!
ViciousBoston's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:17
ViciousBoston
guys. hes being sarcastic.
TopKatt's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:19
TopKatt
@viciousboston

You only say that coz you're biased.
SnakeDude4Life's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:20
SnakeDude4Life
Did somebody say Jeff Goldblum?
entrager's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:20
entrager
Even to make a little arcade game, you'd use 100% of the hardware.

I can say with confidence that Remote Masseuse does not use 100% of the hardware.
MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:20
MrSadistic
w/e destructoid is full of 360 fanboys, I am canceling my subscription to this site.
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:21
Doos
ViciousBoston:

Shhh... It's funnier to watch their heads explode.
Ganjookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:22
Ganjookie
TETRIS would be so much betterest on the PS3. With FREE online play, and better graphics and object rotationability BUILT into the processor, there really is no contest.

I laugh every time I see a 360 gathering dust, underneath the MEGA-Juggernaut Ps3! The 360 is dead and Madden proved it!

WTF is FORZA anyhow? Being First on a system means zilch if you cannot max it out the first time around!
Arkhon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:23
Arkhon
Yep, that would explain why all the people making PS3 exclusives are always saying how they are maxing out the PS3, then coming out with sequels and claiming that they are maxing it out even further.
Duuuude's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:25
Duuuude
Anyone who read any comments so far and think they are serious need to give their heads a shake. I love this community.
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:28
Los255
Cool story bro.

It seems to be like this every year. One man's MAX is another man's 50%. It's a goddamn cycle that I'm sure most average consumers could care less about, or can tell the difference.
Ganjookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:29
Ganjookie
the ps3 is lied about being maxxed out by 360 fan devs!
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:29
Chronic Logic
Maxing out a console does not make a game any better than a game that doesn't max out a console.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 10:31
Sexualchocolate
Until Forza 4! - We maxed it out a little bit moar than last time.

No shit, Forza looks hawt. But I still prefer my PS3, GT5 for the win.
ybfelix's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:05
ybfelix
I can say with confidence that Remote Masseuse does not use 100% of the hardware.

I think it fully maxed out the controller
IV Backstab MC's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:16
IV Backstab MC
Wow look ay all the no avatars losing their minds over jims sarcasm. nice jim you making us 360 fanboys look stupid
IV Backstab MC's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:19
IV Backstab MC
@ganjookie. Well you have a tiny penis nuff said
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:26
Crunshii
hahaha, sure...

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160766

"Since we ran our Tale of 11 Broken 360s a week ago, there have been a few new developments. This weekend, posts appeared alleging someone at Microsoft was deleting threads on the official Forza 2 forums. The offending thread was reportedly full of gamers claiming Forza Motorsport 2 was causing major problems with Xbox 360s."

go ahead and use full power, we all know whats going to happen next.

Drack48's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:34
Drack48
No doubt about it, Forza 3 looks amazing, the backgrounds especially. I'm a big GT fan so I wanted to hate on it, but damn it's pretty.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:36
hpv
Confirmed, Forza 4 will only take 15 minutes to develop!
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:40
Shadowiii
People really need to shut up about "maxing out" the systems. The fanboys for it all clamor about how awesome that makes whatever game and the fanboys against say it isn't enough power.
And everybody with a brain knows it's PR bull and they'll "max it out" again within the next month.
Leathersoup's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:56
Leathersoup
I heard someone say they'd maxed it out... to the max!!
JDigital's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:58
JDigital
That image is a bullshot... Forza3 in-game looks nothing like that. Still pretty ugly when you set it down next to something like a 2 year old demo from that "other" racing game...
Woocifer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 11:58
Woocifer
The Unreal Engine isn't the be all end all of anything. In fact it's full of a lot of bugs and loopholes. I know you'd think otherwise, it being from Epic and a lost of games run on it, but really it's because it's a platform that in a package saves a lot of time and cost...though it is expensive as hell to implement... But in the end it's not the smoothest, most robust engine that we all would love to believe it is...

But in any situation it comes down to the logic in the code and how sharp and well organized your code team is to tightly pack that code neatly into the game as much as possible.

Think of it like a map...or better yet a tent. When you get the tent from the manufacturer its nicely packages, tightly pressed into a nylon bag, and has everything placed 'just so'. You use that tent once, and if you do not think about how that tent came OUT of the bag the first time, then you're going to mash that fucker back into the nylon bag as hard as possible, and nothing is going to fit properly, nothing is going to be as efficient or even FIT the same way. This is what he means by the 'Tetris' reference. Fit it together in an efficient way so that when it comes down to it you don't have those annoying little S pattern shapes SCREWING UP your change at a Tetris.

Nitex I dunno about the system being obsolete. I'd say it's got a number of years left in it to remain relevant in terms of graphic representation. If you're contrasting it to the PS3's ability to relevant...well in that case the PS3's code base is much more tricky to squeeze performance from because of this supposed 'better architecture'. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. What has to be taken into consideration is the fact that Sony's beast can be a bit more to chew and digest in terms of coding than the 360.

Either way if you want to argue about graphics, just go buy a PC and the latest graphics card and get into that heated debate.

Really... the system is fine. The main issue I can see(apart from hard drive space) is the amount of RAM these consoles have. If they would just let us upgrade the ram and graphics cards, the systems would benefit so much more.
Markusdragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 12:06
Markusdragon
The obsession with 'Maxing out' a console probably stems from the idea that people buy consoles based not on their current and announced games, or their extra features, or their first party franchises, but due to some sort of hardware 'potential' promised by the system's PR gurus, measured beforehand in meaningless and totally arbitrary numbers. Whilst the vast majority games will use most, if not all, of a console's system resources, there is ALWAYS room to improve things, to make things more efficent or more effective.
ybfelix's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 12:22
ybfelix
Woocifer: Thanks for the information and metaphor for us noobs :D
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 12:24
Qraze
everyone should listen to freebird while reading this. pr propaganda is at it again.
Ganjookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 13:06
Ganjookie
@ IV Backstab MC

Your dad didn't complain.. but then I use Extednz for those long hot sweaty man on man sessions. I totally maxxed out your dad
Gestault's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 13:18
Gestault
@JDigital:
That "2-year-old demo" you're referring to came out in late 2008, and cost $40. Also, based on the Forza 3 demo I played, gameplay looks better than that "bullshot" (though that specific car clearly wasn't in it.) The loading screen images in Forza 3? Those are bullshots. But your impression of the game's aesthetics seems to be off.

Also Jim? Priceless. Moar.
Czech Monster's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 14:25
Czech Monster
Sterling, you are an instigator! Look what you have caused to the blind sheeples!
countingdown7's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2009 17:45
countingdown7
I totally max out the 360 when I play!!!!11
Epicsm1ley's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/30/2009 08:26
Epicsm1ley
this why il get a ps3
cuz u know ps3 has games that CANT be made on X360 like Uncharted 2/MGS4 cuz og blue ray
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