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I'm going to sound like a total loser for asking this, but I typically just play on consoles, so bear with me. What does DRM do to a game? I know what it's for, but I don't know how it actually stops piracy or whatever.
Are there any companies other than Bethesda (before ESMMO)that champion SP anymore?
Yes there is a market for MP games yes i know. However, I feel that those of us that prefer SP experiences are being pushed completely out of the market by game design.
"Fortnite is a game that’s being developed as a co-op experience primarily,"
This is the type of statement I hear more and more lately.
Yes there is a market for MP games yes i know. However, I feel that those of us that prefer SP experiences are being pushed completely out of the market by game design.
"Fortnite is a game that’s being developed as a co-op experience primarily,"
This is the type of statement I hear more and more lately.
see once a popular game implements this and is successful. it sure as hell other companies will convert immediately.
It's going to be interesting to see how the coming attempts to do what Diablo did will play out. People may be willing to put up with whatever the hell Blizzard does for the privilege of playing Diablo, but I doubt most games can command that kind of devotion, especially a new IP.
"but did state that, should Epic go down that road, it would primarily act as an improvement to the game."
So she just said what Mike Morhaime said recently about Diablo 3's (a few articles down)? Big surprise there /eyeroll.
All this is turning into is a big round of "the medicine that makes you better, makes you sick too"... Every PC game is going to read like an ad for Cialis soon: "Do not play Diablo 3 if you take "nitrates" for chest pain, as the DRM will cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure and make your brain fucking explode when your net connection dips."
@Occam
Ol' Iron Eyes Cody, crying because a stack of DRM'd games was tossed at his feet, yells to the wind gods "WHAT IS THE INTERNET!?!"
So she just said what Mike Morhaime said recently about Diablo 3's (a few articles down)? Big surprise there /eyeroll.
All this is turning into is a big round of "the medicine that makes you better, makes you sick too"... Every PC game is going to read like an ad for Cialis soon: "Do not play Diablo 3 if you take "nitrates" for chest pain, as the DRM will cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure and make your brain fucking explode when your net connection dips."
@Occam
Ol' Iron Eyes Cody, crying because a stack of DRM'd games was tossed at his feet, yells to the wind gods "WHAT IS THE INTERNET!?!"
Dear Epic,
You have a chance at winning back the PC market after 6 years of whoring the Xbox 360, initially screwing up the bulletstorm port and having seemingly abandoned UT, please don't fuck this up thx?
You have a chance at winning back the PC market after 6 years of whoring the Xbox 360, initially screwing up the bulletstorm port and having seemingly abandoned UT, please don't fuck this up thx?
Honestly, I have no problem with any DRM. Instead of seeing video games as a product, I see them now as a service. In this case, DRM is just something that comes along with the service. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. I, however, have a high chance of buying and playing the shit out of this game.
Note: I know UDK's a thing and I love working with UDK, but that's a dev tool rather than an actual game put out by Epic.
Also, N
Also, N
Actually, as a side note:
"Fortnite is a game that’s being developed as a co-op experience primarily," she told Rock, Paper, Shotgun. "That’s our number one focus. This is a game you’re gonna want to play with your friends, and it’s most fun with your friends. So whatever we decide to do there is gonna be more relevant to the most fun experience you can have with your friends [than it is to piracy]. But I can’t nail that down today."
Fortnite still has a single-player, however, one that Jessen says is "super fun." If that mode has to be played online, expect a backlash -- one that I won't have much sympathy for Epic over."
Can't be all that "superfun" solo if she says that its being created as a co-op experience, or while she's having to explain how playing it with your friends is most fun when playing with your friends. Unless she suddenly became brain damaged while she was justifying the DRM, since she seems to think she has to tell one of the biggest PC gaming sites why mutliplayer is fun.
"Fortnite is a game that’s being developed as a co-op experience primarily," she told Rock, Paper, Shotgun. "That’s our number one focus. This is a game you’re gonna want to play with your friends, and it’s most fun with your friends. So whatever we decide to do there is gonna be more relevant to the most fun experience you can have with your friends [than it is to piracy]. But I can’t nail that down today."
Fortnite still has a single-player, however, one that Jessen says is "super fun." If that mode has to be played online, expect a backlash -- one that I won't have much sympathy for Epic over."
Can't be all that "superfun" solo if she says that its being created as a co-op experience, or while she's having to explain how playing it with your friends is most fun when playing with your friends. Unless she suddenly became brain damaged while she was justifying the DRM, since she seems to think she has to tell one of the biggest PC gaming sites why mutliplayer is fun.
Meh. Epic has been just about dog shit to me since Unreal 2004. I don't expect that to change here, but I'd be alright if they could convince me otherwise.
I love how developers are saying the DRM improves the experience, and then continue to not spell out those improvements and how they couldn't be done any other way.
"This is a game you’re gonna want to play with your friends, and it’s most fun with your friends"
Thanks, as the person who would buy this to play, I like to be told how I will like it best.
Thanks, as the person who would buy this to play, I like to be told how I will like it best.
Not in a box. Not with a fox. Not in a house. Not with a mouse. I would not eat them here or there. I would not eat them anywhere. I would not eat green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Sam-I-Am.
I'm starting to think this is some kind of conspiracy. Making a game primarily online focused means the player will already have to have an active internet connection, which the publisher/developers then use to justify always-on DRM by saying 'You have to be online anyway' and trying to play it off like it isn't a big deal.
No buy, No play, without a offline mode option.
I passed on Diablo 3 and others for this reason.
PC gaming is starting to be rules by india devs these day anyways. Why not just use Steam or even Origins.
I passed on Diablo 3 and others for this reason.
PC gaming is starting to be rules by india devs these day anyways. Why not just use Steam or even Origins.
The difference is Epic does a better job maintaining their games than Blizzard does. Blizzard still has problems at launch with their servers and they've had how many big launches under their belt? Not to mention the lowest latency I've ever received in Diablo 3 was 90 ms, I've never seen it go below that and on average it hovers around 150 ms with rubberbanding and lag problems. There's absolutely NO reason for that. If you want your game to be always online, DO IT RIGHT.
Also I really can't see Fortnite being a particularly fun game by yourself. It's like playing Borderlands or Dead Island by yourself. Or playing Horde mode in Gears of War by yourself. It's just not a very good idea, because while it can be played by yourself it wouldn't be as fun as with 3 other people. (or more if Fortnite allows it)
Also I really can't see Fortnite being a particularly fun game by yourself. It's like playing Borderlands or Dead Island by yourself. Or playing Horde mode in Gears of War by yourself. It's just not a very good idea, because while it can be played by yourself it wouldn't be as fun as with 3 other people. (or more if Fortnite allows it)
I'm finding this kind of funny and tragic in wondering what Cliffy B would have to say in response to this as his young, gamer self starting out in the industry.
It'd been looking that way for some time, but I think it's finally safe to say that he's finally made it to the other side of what he used to be, and Epic Games is beginning to share more in common with some interesting companies.
@L3ED
It doesn't stop piracy.
In theory, it stops piracy in that it prevents copies of games that don't validate as legitimately purchased from being able to play, thus denying the experience of playing a "stolen" game.
In practice, it tends to more or less punish the legitimate purchaser, depending on manner of implementation -- most common now being always-on connections being the requirement, which is rather unrealistic given how the companies cannot even fully guarantee that for their end of the bargain.
More often than not, cracked versions quickly become available that make it so that the game can be played, as is, any time at will.
It should be noted that the language of the law basically says that anything you pay for as a "digital good" amounts to a glorified license rental, one of which can be revoked at any time per the intentions of the copyright holder. I have a couple arcade games on my 360 that I cannot ever play if I am not on Xbox Live, because they automatically revert to the demo version. But of course, from all appearances things would have me think that I own what I bought!
It's kind of sad how much companies talk about wanting to make more money and the only company that never has to talk about it as being an issue at all is Valve. They even made the Russian market profitable for themselves, all by simply making a better product to better serve the customer.
Imagine that, a business putting the customer first.
It'd been looking that way for some time, but I think it's finally safe to say that he's finally made it to the other side of what he used to be, and Epic Games is beginning to share more in common with some interesting companies.
@L3ED
It doesn't stop piracy.
In theory, it stops piracy in that it prevents copies of games that don't validate as legitimately purchased from being able to play, thus denying the experience of playing a "stolen" game.
In practice, it tends to more or less punish the legitimate purchaser, depending on manner of implementation -- most common now being always-on connections being the requirement, which is rather unrealistic given how the companies cannot even fully guarantee that for their end of the bargain.
More often than not, cracked versions quickly become available that make it so that the game can be played, as is, any time at will.
It should be noted that the language of the law basically says that anything you pay for as a "digital good" amounts to a glorified license rental, one of which can be revoked at any time per the intentions of the copyright holder. I have a couple arcade games on my 360 that I cannot ever play if I am not on Xbox Live, because they automatically revert to the demo version. But of course, from all appearances things would have me think that I own what I bought!
It's kind of sad how much companies talk about wanting to make more money and the only company that never has to talk about it as being an issue at all is Valve. They even made the Russian market profitable for themselves, all by simply making a better product to better serve the customer.
Imagine that, a business putting the customer first.
" Honestly, I have no problem with any DRM. Instead of seeing video games as a product, I am now brainwashed and see them as whatever I'm told to see them as. Also, blue is now orange."
Fixed that for ya zwik
Fixed that for ya zwik
I'm not really a PC gamer, but I do hate that companies are fucking people over when it comes to DRM. It just turns people off from buying the product, I don't think I anyone who has a boner for DRM.
Hold on Tek. I refuse to believe that wasn't sarcasm. No one can be that....
No one could have drank that much corporate kool-aid.
No one could have drank that much corporate kool-aid.
Dear Epic,
Instead of talking about it like idiots, just release the game on Steam and people won't even realize they're committing to an always-on DRM. Works for... every other game released on Steam.
Sincerely,
Mr Andy Dixon
Instead of talking about it like idiots, just release the game on Steam and people won't even realize they're committing to an always-on DRM. Works for... every other game released on Steam.
Sincerely,
Mr Andy Dixon
Hmmm ..... too bad, looks like it could have been an interesting game, wasn't being published by EA..... but Always-on DRM is one o my instant dealbreakers. It would seem that Epic does not want my money and I am more than happy to oblige, I'm sure there are tons of other companies that will be more than happy to in their stead.
@doewnskitty;-you-should-be-able-to-do-a-lisence-transfer-for-that....kind-of-a-pain,but-should-fix-your-problem.....unless-theres-some-other-reason-they-are-stuck-in-demo-mode-that-im-not-aware-of.....and-DRM-is-poo
From the Diablo III DRM article two posts down:
"Diablo III was designed from the beginning to be an online game that can be enjoyed with friends, and the always-online requirement is the best way for us to support that design."
From this Fortnite DRM post:
"Fortnite is a game that’s being developed as a co-op experience primarily," she told Rock, Paper, Shotgun. "That’s our number one focus. This is a game you’re gonna want to play with your friends, and it’s most fun with your friends. So whatever we decide to do there is gonna be more relevant to the most fun experience you can have with your friends [than it is to piracy]."
I wonder if they use the same PR company?
"Diablo III was designed from the beginning to be an online game that can be enjoyed with friends, and the always-online requirement is the best way for us to support that design."
From this Fortnite DRM post:
"Fortnite is a game that’s being developed as a co-op experience primarily," she told Rock, Paper, Shotgun. "That’s our number one focus. This is a game you’re gonna want to play with your friends, and it’s most fun with your friends. So whatever we decide to do there is gonna be more relevant to the most fun experience you can have with your friends [than it is to piracy]."
I wonder if they use the same PR company?
Its Epic,they'll stick it soley on Origin and use GFWL for multiplayer,and sell it at $60 even though it'll probaly be a pile of wank...
@randy, moose
Steam has offline mode in which many games can be played. Offline.
Just thought I'd point that out is all.
Steam has offline mode in which many games can be played. Offline.
Just thought I'd point that out is all.
@Salamagogo
It was that way on the first 360 on which they were purchased, and remains that way on the one I'm using now after having done license transfers. So far as I can tell, they're basically tethered in some way to the functionality of the Xbox Live service.
Not that big of a deal since they were small games, but I was not aware of the practice with them until I had actual occasion to find out.
It's why I dislike DRM in practice, because I'm a legitimate purchaser who can't even play the game whenever I feel like it, only when conditions satisfy the publisher. Sometimes, I almost feel like I should send a thank-you card to my corporate benefactors for allowing me the privilege of playing their game I bought from them!
I generally see its adoption as admission that the company can no longer compete in the marketplace, because if anything, it's a sign that the company no longer serves its customers but rather more serves itself and looks to the customers to justify it.
It was that way on the first 360 on which they were purchased, and remains that way on the one I'm using now after having done license transfers. So far as I can tell, they're basically tethered in some way to the functionality of the Xbox Live service.
Not that big of a deal since they were small games, but I was not aware of the practice with them until I had actual occasion to find out.
It's why I dislike DRM in practice, because I'm a legitimate purchaser who can't even play the game whenever I feel like it, only when conditions satisfy the publisher. Sometimes, I almost feel like I should send a thank-you card to my corporate benefactors for allowing me the privilege of playing their game I bought from them!
I generally see its adoption as admission that the company can no longer compete in the marketplace, because if anything, it's a sign that the company no longer serves its customers but rather more serves itself and looks to the customers to justify it.
The "backlash" for always-on DRM is almost entirely rhetorical. Fact: A company won't intentionally do something that puts them in the red if they know a different strategy will have a better outcome. With always-on DRMed games still selling like gangbusters (read: Diablo III), there's a lot a talk and precious little action to back it up.
I'm as serious as can be. I look at all the factors of a game (DRM included) and decide if that is worth paying the $60 or whatever it may cost. That's also why I feel PS+ is really, really good. I looked at what they offer (discounts, games you can play as long as you have the service, exclusive betas, etc.) and decided it is worth my $50 a year. Hell, I'd pay more than that for it for sure. I look at what these companies do on a case by case basis. In this case, so far the game looks amazing and always-online DRM doesn't bother me in the slightest so at the moment, I'm going to buy this game.
It's yet another zombie game. I don't care what DRM they throw in it because I have zero interest in it.
Though on the topic of "always-on DRM" - if it actually works properly, it's typically not even noticed. The issue comes from the companies nickel and diming their servers so they get overloaded when more than three people try to play at the same time.
Though on the topic of "always-on DRM" - if it actually works properly, it's typically not even noticed. The issue comes from the companies nickel and diming their servers so they get overloaded when more than three people try to play at the same time.
Aw. I was looking forward to Fortnite. But I don't want to put up with the hassle of always on DRM. After seeing how well it worked for Diablo at launch, with plenty of paying customers being unable to log in, etc, I'm just not paying for it.
And it was Blizzard who had all those server problems. They run the biggest MMO out their, and yet they couldn't get Diablo III running smoothly with this DRM even after doing an open beta weekend.
Gears had 3 games, and they all had major issues when it came to online play.(Though Gears 3 had vastly improved netcode) I love their games but I don't trust their ability to create an always on drm system that won't end up being a hassle for me.
And it was Blizzard who had all those server problems. They run the biggest MMO out their, and yet they couldn't get Diablo III running smoothly with this DRM even after doing an open beta weekend.
Gears had 3 games, and they all had major issues when it came to online play.(Though Gears 3 had vastly improved netcode) I love their games but I don't trust their ability to create an always on drm system that won't end up being a hassle for me.
It's the first UE4 game, so every impression the engine leaves is going to be crucial. Why then waste CPU and RAM for something ancillary that is not even necessary in the first place? They said it's mutliplayer-focused, so it's obvious people will be online to enjoy the most of it, why bother taking away system resources? Granted, Epic has some heavy coding talent in the company, but I doubt they'd be wasting their staff for doing something that is neither necessary nor an improvement from the ground up. Unless I am missing something obvious, I don't see how it benefits anyone.
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