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Hardcore developers do not take the wii seriously, because
Hardcore gamers do not play the wii often, becaus
Hardcore games are not frequently released on the wii, because
Hardcore developers do not take the wii seriously, because...
you get the idea. It's a vicious fucking cycle, and the sooner game devs stop being fucking idiots about it the sooner they can make money on the console.
Hardcore gamers do not play the wii often, becaus
Hardcore games are not frequently released on the wii, because
Hardcore developers do not take the wii seriously, because...
you get the idea. It's a vicious fucking cycle, and the sooner game devs stop being fucking idiots about it the sooner they can make money on the console.
I think he is trying to draw a contrast between the Wii and the other current gen consoles. A point in which i agree with him on, regardless for ones preference.
People like this are why I'm increasingly disillusioned of the gaming industry. If anything, the Wii is MORE of a gaming machine than the other two. At least its focussed on that which matters- GAMES, rather than trying to be a DVD player, a mediocre FB/Twitter app, a buggy MMORPG (Home anyone?)etc... the Wii represents the distilled, pure and unadulterated essence of gaming, and to the true hardcore gamer, the old school gamer, games on the Wii are what will matter the most.
I'm not dissing the 360 or the PS3 here. I'm just giving the Wii an agrresive supporter, cause it sure looks like Nintendo need one.
I'm not dissing the 360 or the PS3 here. I'm just giving the Wii an agrresive supporter, cause it sure looks like Nintendo need one.
So, is he trying to use the word 'toy' as an insult or something? Hate to break it to ya, but there's a reason why we don't call our consoles "home interactive entertainment devices". Not sure if I'd go as far as using toy to describe all consoles, but they come damn close.
Then again, this man is probably in the demographic of the "HARDCORE" who believe the Wii is killing gaming as we know it and is the bane of everyone's existence, despite how easy it is to simply ignore it if you don't like it.
Then again, this man is probably in the demographic of the "HARDCORE" who believe the Wii is killing gaming as we know it and is the bane of everyone's existence, despite how easy it is to simply ignore it if you don't like it.
Why do people that work in gaming such egotistical morons these days? I mean, I'm sure stuff like this has been part of the business for awhile, but before this gen I don't remember seeing a new quote at least once a week of some idiot CEO or developer spouting shit about something.
This is just getting ridiculous.
This is just getting ridiculous.
A toy doesn't have the processing power. With high definition visuals and sterophonic surrounds sounds, then maybe, just maybe. But with just a bunch of top selling, top rated videogames mixed with cult classic games from all nations and indie favorites too? HA! Get real!
Need more processing power to stand a chance.
Need more processing power to stand a chance.
We really can't give this guy any credit. He can't even form a comprehensible statement. I mean does anyone really know what he's talking about? lol I have my problems with the Wii but not that's it's a "virus." I certainly haven't caught the flu from it.
The things I don't like about the Wii are the lack of HD and the fact that I prefer to actually push buttons when i play games; but motion control still works well for some games and I don't completely hate it. I do wish New Super Mario Bros. Wii didn't have it, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun every once in a while. There are some good games on Wii and some great fun to be had with them.
Toys and video games go had in hand. They provide entertainment and let us have fun. That's the whole point right? So I don't really get what former DICE guy is trying to say. If "Toys & Video Games" aren't meant to go together then why are they often considered the same department in stores? Why does TOYS r us sell video games? I believe board games are found in the TOY department at Wal-Mart, right? Are video games not also GAMES? Do you not play games with toys sometimes? lol Whatever.
The things I don't like about the Wii are the lack of HD and the fact that I prefer to actually push buttons when i play games; but motion control still works well for some games and I don't completely hate it. I do wish New Super Mario Bros. Wii didn't have it, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun every once in a while. There are some good games on Wii and some great fun to be had with them.
Toys and video games go had in hand. They provide entertainment and let us have fun. That's the whole point right? So I don't really get what former DICE guy is trying to say. If "Toys & Video Games" aren't meant to go together then why are they often considered the same department in stores? Why does TOYS r us sell video games? I believe board games are found in the TOY department at Wal-Mart, right? Are video games not also GAMES? Do you not play games with toys sometimes? lol Whatever.
His point is very unclear. I only own the Wii and I play it every chance I can get (which isn't often with university and all). NMH2, SIlent Hill, upcoming games like Monster Hunter, Fragile Dreams, Red Steel 2 - there are far too many games and not enough time. I know lots of people like me, but he seems to be asking a redundant question: "How many people, who aren't regular video game players (aka "core"), play the Wii regularly?". It's kind of self-defeating. In any case, my entire family plays the wii at least once a week, including my 90 year old grandmother (she's super active for her age), not a one of them are "core".
I once dated a really pretty girl, she was terrible in bed. I also dated a really ugly girl, perhaps because she was glad to have someone she was amazing. My point being clearly that I have slept with 2 women.
oh and umm..........METAPHOR POWER!!!!!!!
oh and umm..........METAPHOR POWER!!!!!!!
@ pramath
I'm with you 100% here. The Wii and the DS are both solid gaming systems that offer tons of titles that capture the essence of what gaming has been for decades. The so-called "hardcores" who pride themselves on owning "entertainment focused" consoles are so pumped full of bullshit that it's coming out of their ears. As a gamer who mostly sticks with old-school favorites, NOTHING about the 360 or PS3 appeals to my interests. The expectations of their stupid fans have made it impossible for simple, straight-forward titles to stand a chance. Every fucking thing has to be Triple-A-this, 1080p-that, has to support Twitter and Facebook, include retarded online achievements, feature 8 hours of cutscenes with voiceovers, etc....
I'll also continue enjoying Wiiware and Virtual Console titles while Microsoft launches that hokey-looking Game Room application and resells Pac-Man and Galaga to a bunch of suckers for the hundredth time.
I'm with you 100% here. The Wii and the DS are both solid gaming systems that offer tons of titles that capture the essence of what gaming has been for decades. The so-called "hardcores" who pride themselves on owning "entertainment focused" consoles are so pumped full of bullshit that it's coming out of their ears. As a gamer who mostly sticks with old-school favorites, NOTHING about the 360 or PS3 appeals to my interests. The expectations of their stupid fans have made it impossible for simple, straight-forward titles to stand a chance. Every fucking thing has to be Triple-A-this, 1080p-that, has to support Twitter and Facebook, include retarded online achievements, feature 8 hours of cutscenes with voiceovers, etc....
I'll also continue enjoying Wiiware and Virtual Console titles while Microsoft launches that hokey-looking Game Room application and resells Pac-Man and Galaga to a bunch of suckers for the hundredth time.
No I agree with this guy, most people shelve their wiis. I do. Compared to old nintendo systems wii sucks its full of crap games. with a few good titles not worth finishing.
Monodi is exactly right -- ALL video games are toys. Anything that's not required to live is a luxury, which is a fancy way of saying "toy."
Also, the Wii isn't a games machine? That's interesting, seeing as how I have a metric shit-ton of games for it.
Also, the Wii isn't a games machine? That's interesting, seeing as how I have a metric shit-ton of games for it.
@ the7k
WiiMusic, very big Nintendo mistake and they payed for it.
WiiFit if anything is much more then any game that is on the 360 or PS3, it has real life goals, achievements, strategies, it has competition, AND since when has ANY Wii games lacked these things?
You have all these things in Wii games, if not MORE so then other consoles considering that the other consoles are just running off of last gen but in HD.
Sorry but you have ZERO argument, you say Wii doesn't have these things when in actual fact it always did. Wii does so much more then the HD twins when you compare the HD twins to last gen and to the PC (since the HD twins are basically running on those two factors, a part from some unique titles).
You're being a fanboy buddy, you give NO reasons to why the Wii doesn't do those things nor give any evidence of the twins doing those things in and of themselves.
If anything the Wii is more related to the real world (HENCE MORE THEN A TOY) then the HD twins ever were, it is just your pure ignorance and bad opinion that says otherwise.
WiiMusic, very big Nintendo mistake and they payed for it.
WiiFit if anything is much more then any game that is on the 360 or PS3, it has real life goals, achievements, strategies, it has competition, AND since when has ANY Wii games lacked these things?
You have all these things in Wii games, if not MORE so then other consoles considering that the other consoles are just running off of last gen but in HD.
Sorry but you have ZERO argument, you say Wii doesn't have these things when in actual fact it always did. Wii does so much more then the HD twins when you compare the HD twins to last gen and to the PC (since the HD twins are basically running on those two factors, a part from some unique titles).
You're being a fanboy buddy, you give NO reasons to why the Wii doesn't do those things nor give any evidence of the twins doing those things in and of themselves.
If anything the Wii is more related to the real world (HENCE MORE THEN A TOY) then the HD twins ever were, it is just your pure ignorance and bad opinion that says otherwise.
Anyone who says the Wii is not a games machine is, quite frankly, wrong. Not wrong in a "it's my opinion and I think you're wrong" way. In a straight up BANG! you're wrong. The Wii plays videogames, therefore it's a videogames machine. Fair enough, if you don't want to play those videogames that's fine. That there is your opinion. But don't deny it's a games machine out of some ridiculous loyalty because it's threatening to your HD console.
Of course they're all toys in the end anyway.
Of course they're all toys in the end anyway.
i own a 360 and a wii. i pretty much play the wii every day, but the 360 has become a dvd player, which i occassionally play sensible soccer on.
I'm a wii "only" owner(+gaming pc since I get microsoft exclusives+multiplat games) and my wii was constantly turned on too this year.
Games I played this year :
NSMB
Prime Trilogy(never had the time to finish it, it's pretty damn long)
No More Heroes 2
Tatsunoko vs Capcom(a lot with my friends)
Castlevania Adventure
Ghostslayer
Shiren(<3 roguelikes)
Ace Attorney investigations
+
PC games
I'm satisfied.
Games I played this year :
NSMB
Prime Trilogy(never had the time to finish it, it's pretty damn long)
No More Heroes 2
Tatsunoko vs Capcom(a lot with my friends)
Castlevania Adventure
Ghostslayer
Shiren(<3 roguelikes)
Ace Attorney investigations
+
PC games
I'm satisfied.
I've been saying exactly this but in a more respectful way about the wii for ages.
The toid community often has a rant at me about it, but being gamers they tend to have blinkers on to the rest of the wii owning world.
A wii is an additional console for "us" and a toy for "them" and there are millions of "them"
The toid community often has a rant at me about it, but being gamers they tend to have blinkers on to the rest of the wii owning world.
A wii is an additional console for "us" and a toy for "them" and there are millions of "them"
No fuckin' way?! I thought they made the Wii so I could do non-entertainment things like making pie-charts or doing my taxes.
Is this quote not from about a year ago? Or he is paraphrasing a very similar quote from a year ago by someone...
Nintendo is smart though. It has a habit of subsidising itself off phenomenons. It would be interesting to see where the company would be right now if it were not for stuff like pokémon, brain training, wii sports and wii fit.
Nintendo is smart though. It has a habit of subsidising itself off phenomenons. It would be interesting to see where the company would be right now if it were not for stuff like pokémon, brain training, wii sports and wii fit.
If that's true then isn't the PS2 a virus?
Also most of the people I know that own a 360 only have 2 games - Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2. Are they more "hardcore" (I hate that word) than someone who owns 20+ Wii games (and more on the Virtual Console)
Also most of the people I know that own a 360 only have 2 games - Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2. Are they more "hardcore" (I hate that word) than someone who owns 20+ Wii games (and more on the Virtual Console)
Yeah, this is Liliegrin is (badly) trying to express sentiments put forward by Mike Capps almost two years ago: http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/868/868001p4.html
"Itfs a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and theyfre like, gOh my God thatfs so cool, Ifm gonna go buy it.h So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but theyfve showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. Obviously therefs a class of people who really love it and enjoy it and are getting into the games but Ifm still waiting for that one game that makes me play it."
"Itfs a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and theyfre like, gOh my God thatfs so cool, Ifm gonna go buy it.h So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but theyfve showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. Obviously therefs a class of people who really love it and enjoy it and are getting into the games but Ifm still waiting for that one game that makes me play it."
@birthmark
Hint: Toys aren't defined by the level of technology contained in them.
Gameboy is a toy
Ball in a cup is a toy
PS3 is a toy.
Cry about it.
Hint: Toys aren't defined by the level of technology contained in them.
Gameboy is a toy
Ball in a cup is a toy
PS3 is a toy.
Cry about it.
Nintendo would not have as hard of a time keeping this kind of rhetoric gone if they would have just made the thing capable to display HD and modern graphics. That, I think, is what really gives it the image. If not, it's a big contributing factor. Even people without HDTVs can tell a huge difference in quality. That was my biggest reason for selling mine. I'm tired of buying Nintendo systems for almost JUST nintendo games. But the Wii did give me some fun when I had it. I just guess I moved on from Nintendo's games and have become addicted to prettier and more traditional gameplay.
I was gonna say that hilarious part is that this comes from a company that has not even tried to develop for the Wii and whose X360 and PS3 efforts have been hit or miss, but since other posters pointed out he's not even at DICE anymore i'll just let it be.
@Chad Michael Myers: orly? then be prepared for Sony and MS to deage to 8yo by summer and winter respectively when they release the Arc and Natal.
@EroThraX: i don't doubt it's that way to HD mentality gamers, but it certainly isn't the rest of us.
@Spectreman: Cool story bro
@RenegadePanda: exactly, it's ironic beyond belief or just plain dumb
@Sans Spans & trsspidey: don't feed the troll, double digit IQ idiots are best left ignored, hell even PS3 owners here shunned his original post out of shame to be compared to him.
@Chad Michael Myers: orly? then be prepared for Sony and MS to deage to 8yo by summer and winter respectively when they release the Arc and Natal.
@EroThraX: i don't doubt it's that way to HD mentality gamers, but it certainly isn't the rest of us.
@Spectreman: Cool story bro
@RenegadePanda: exactly, it's ironic beyond belief or just plain dumb
@Sans Spans & trsspidey: don't feed the troll, double digit IQ idiots are best left ignored, hell even PS3 owners here shunned his original post out of shame to be compared to him.
Lots of comments is lots of comments!
This statement is tired. The gaming public is very aware that there are a lot of wiis owned by people who don't play them often and don't buy any games.
But there are great core games and many reasons for a core gamer to own a wii.
If I was a CEO and said this for the umpteenth time it would be news.
This statement is tired. The gaming public is very aware that there are a lot of wiis owned by people who don't play them often and don't buy any games.
But there are great core games and many reasons for a core gamer to own a wii.
If I was a CEO and said this for the umpteenth time it would be news.
@birthmark
Last remark: I'm not sure what psychology you are talking about. I'm merely stating the fact that toys are NOT defined by the level of technology in them. It's moronic to consider otherwise. But that is a closing remark and won't be argued further. You either understand it you simply can't wrap your head around it.
What doesn't make sense about this quote is that he is saying that a) the wii is not a media center and b) the wii is not a video game machine.
So ummm... I don't think he really understands what the wii is.
Last remark: I'm not sure what psychology you are talking about. I'm merely stating the fact that toys are NOT defined by the level of technology in them. It's moronic to consider otherwise. But that is a closing remark and won't be argued further. You either understand it you simply can't wrap your head around it.
What doesn't make sense about this quote is that he is saying that a) the wii is not a media center and b) the wii is not a video game machine.
So ummm... I don't think he really understands what the wii is.
Say what you want about the Wii, it doesn't fit your style of gaming, it doesn't speak to you as a gamer the way a PS3 or 360 does, these are all criticisms that you can hold on to if you wish. Lord know there are plenty that do.
This is the first time though, that I've heard the argument that the Wii not a games machine at all, and is not in fact a toy with the appearance of a games machine, I presume like those examples of toy ovens or phones you get that don't actually cook or make phone calls.
Maybe I've got a freak example of one, but my Wii has games, which I bought from shops, that when I put in them I can play.
In fact, a quick check of Metacritic shows that the Wii has 137 games that have garnered favourable reviews or better! Granted, that is less then the 360's 311 favourable or better games or the PS3's 219 favourable or better games, but still, it is a better total of games than you'd get from something that is meant to be "just a toy".
Fans, of course, can say what they want, but I would think someone who has just become CEO of a new game studio shouldn't shit-talk about one of the avenues they may want to sell their titles in the future. That is, of course, unless they've already determined they only want their lips wrapped round the dicks of Microsoft/Sony/both and thought this little moan against the opposition might score brownie points. It certainly sounds something like one of those rants.
This is the first time though, that I've heard the argument that the Wii not a games machine at all, and is not in fact a toy with the appearance of a games machine, I presume like those examples of toy ovens or phones you get that don't actually cook or make phone calls.
Maybe I've got a freak example of one, but my Wii has games, which I bought from shops, that when I put in them I can play.
In fact, a quick check of Metacritic shows that the Wii has 137 games that have garnered favourable reviews or better! Granted, that is less then the 360's 311 favourable or better games or the PS3's 219 favourable or better games, but still, it is a better total of games than you'd get from something that is meant to be "just a toy".
Fans, of course, can say what they want, but I would think someone who has just become CEO of a new game studio shouldn't shit-talk about one of the avenues they may want to sell their titles in the future. That is, of course, unless they've already determined they only want their lips wrapped round the dicks of Microsoft/Sony/both and thought this little moan against the opposition might score brownie points. It certainly sounds something like one of those rants.
@birthmark
"im sure Leonardo de Vince's "David" is a toy to you too, huh?"
first: you spelled his name wrong. Second: you guessed the wrong ninja turtle moron.
If you guess again now you got a one out of three shot of getting it right and coming across as a 12 year old.
Care to give it a go?
"im sure Leonardo de Vince's "David" is a toy to you too, huh?"
first: you spelled his name wrong. Second: you guessed the wrong ninja turtle moron.
If you guess again now you got a one out of three shot of getting it right and coming across as a 12 year old.
Care to give it a go?
my dad moved the wii out of the game room and into the living room so he could play wii sports bowling every day without getting out of his recliner
Yes i HAVE read this before! Epic games ceo said the same shit in 2008:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/21/epic-games-prez-compares-wii-to-a-virus/
"Wii is like a virus." Exact same comparison. Weak sauce. At least be original when you're talking shit.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/21/epic-games-prez-compares-wii-to-a-virus/
"Wii is like a virus." Exact same comparison. Weak sauce. At least be original when you're talking shit.
First, before many of you lose it, this chap said his view before Nintendo's recent game announcements.
I'd have to say I agree with him, though with him being a continental, his english is a bit broken. That's his profession opinion as someone in the games industry, and I can respect that, even if I disagreed.
The point he's making is that many with Wii's sit alone, unused, after purchase and brief gaming. Since casual gamers do this, their 'game buy and play' uptake will be a lot lower than a regular gamer, which in turn can impact sales. Many of you on here will be regular/hardcore gamers, so your view or experience with Wii will be different and possibly more positive than that. That doesn't change the former fact, though. And like a a thousand people sharing a barrel of water, only so many are going to get their thirst quenched, to break even. The rest will starve or seek water elsewhere.
As for the Wii being a toy, not necessarily wrong, but a wrong choice of word, yes. The Gamecube was purple after all, and remains the only console I have that came that colour as standard. How many consumer electronics do you know or own that come in that colour? And yes, I had plenty of fun with it.
Its very easy to focus on 'toy' and 'virus', and miss the point in his message, as many of you have already, while your opinions are noted.
With PS3 and 360 now moving into motion control games, I'll keep an open mind to see what happens with them. I'm going to hold off at least a year, before weigh up whether I jump in on Natal. At the end of the day, though, I still will always favour a gamepad and the simplicity it rewards for learning to use them. Motion control to me, is just another warped evolution of the Nintendo Power Glove (wouldn't be surprised if that's where Nintendo got the idea for Wii), and I don't like that way its being pushed on us, like a drug, by the wider industry.
I'd have to say I agree with him, though with him being a continental, his english is a bit broken. That's his profession opinion as someone in the games industry, and I can respect that, even if I disagreed.
The point he's making is that many with Wii's sit alone, unused, after purchase and brief gaming. Since casual gamers do this, their 'game buy and play' uptake will be a lot lower than a regular gamer, which in turn can impact sales. Many of you on here will be regular/hardcore gamers, so your view or experience with Wii will be different and possibly more positive than that. That doesn't change the former fact, though. And like a a thousand people sharing a barrel of water, only so many are going to get their thirst quenched, to break even. The rest will starve or seek water elsewhere.
As for the Wii being a toy, not necessarily wrong, but a wrong choice of word, yes. The Gamecube was purple after all, and remains the only console I have that came that colour as standard. How many consumer electronics do you know or own that come in that colour? And yes, I had plenty of fun with it.
Its very easy to focus on 'toy' and 'virus', and miss the point in his message, as many of you have already, while your opinions are noted.
With PS3 and 360 now moving into motion control games, I'll keep an open mind to see what happens with them. I'm going to hold off at least a year, before weigh up whether I jump in on Natal. At the end of the day, though, I still will always favour a gamepad and the simplicity it rewards for learning to use them. Motion control to me, is just another warped evolution of the Nintendo Power Glove (wouldn't be surprised if that's where Nintendo got the idea for Wii), and I don't like that way its being pushed on us, like a drug, by the wider industry.
Mr. Liliegrin needs to realize something. Nintendo doesn't care how much use its product sees. There is no difference to Nintendo between a $250 Wii that gets 1,000 hours of play and a $250 Wii that gets 1 hour. It's still $250. They sacrificed a lot of the things that would make it a 1,000 hour system to hardcore gamers in order to make it a 1 hour system for many more "casual" non-gamers. That's a business win. It's frustrating and infuriating if you actually CARE about games, but it's still good business sense.
Speeches like these are the domain of the desperate.
When shareholders demanding more profits, and companies complain they can't penetrate the Wii market, CEO's start crying to anyone who will listen.
How much real analysis is being done at these companies to understand what the Wii buyer wants? How many personas are being created by researchers to identify how game makers can best target divergent these new and untapped divergent audiences? Too many companies are trying to force old business models on this console, and nothing will stick.
Some great games are being made for the Wii, the latest Silent Hill, MadWorld, No More Heroes, Monster Hunter Tri--all in an effort to see what sticks. But how much are these companies really supporting these games with the right marketing to support the growing and diverse audience that want to play on this console?
Where the Wii succeeds is in creating an environment where people of all ages want to play together in a more social manner. The games that have sold best are the ones that serve this purpose.
As far as shovelware on the Wii, I think the Wii still has a long way to catch-up with the PS2--its just that we in the West never saw the piles of crap forced upon the PS2 due to Sony America's more stringent standards. Just look at any JP release list of D3 Simple titles and you will have barely scratched the surface.
The Wii proves you don't have to have HD, BluRay, and a killer Online community to succeed. You need one of two killer apps, and a way to capture peoples imagination. Nintendo packing in Wii Sports gave people the chance to see the console's potential, and Wii Sports, despite what some may claim otherwise is a console seller.
If the Wii is nothing more than a doubled up Gamecube that brings a few great games to this generation, than it is still a great console. Not everyone wants to play Gears of War.
When shareholders demanding more profits, and companies complain they can't penetrate the Wii market, CEO's start crying to anyone who will listen.
How much real analysis is being done at these companies to understand what the Wii buyer wants? How many personas are being created by researchers to identify how game makers can best target divergent these new and untapped divergent audiences? Too many companies are trying to force old business models on this console, and nothing will stick.
Some great games are being made for the Wii, the latest Silent Hill, MadWorld, No More Heroes, Monster Hunter Tri--all in an effort to see what sticks. But how much are these companies really supporting these games with the right marketing to support the growing and diverse audience that want to play on this console?
Where the Wii succeeds is in creating an environment where people of all ages want to play together in a more social manner. The games that have sold best are the ones that serve this purpose.
As far as shovelware on the Wii, I think the Wii still has a long way to catch-up with the PS2--its just that we in the West never saw the piles of crap forced upon the PS2 due to Sony America's more stringent standards. Just look at any JP release list of D3 Simple titles and you will have barely scratched the surface.
The Wii proves you don't have to have HD, BluRay, and a killer Online community to succeed. You need one of two killer apps, and a way to capture peoples imagination. Nintendo packing in Wii Sports gave people the chance to see the console's potential, and Wii Sports, despite what some may claim otherwise is a console seller.
If the Wii is nothing more than a doubled up Gamecube that brings a few great games to this generation, than it is still a great console. Not everyone wants to play Gears of War.
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