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Personally, I think HD-DVD was superior, if for nothing else but its standardized profile was set at launch, as opposed to Blu-Ray, which just recently got Profile 1.1. I also enjoyed the combo discs that meant I could get both standard and HD on one disc. Instead, now we're stuck w/ Blu-Ray. Oh well...at least now all movies will be the same format, as opposed to some on one, some on another. Can you say fire sale? I'm loading up (and I'm glad I have both formats)
i was under the impression that blu-ray was better anyway. how is toshiba sad for the consumer, i wonder.
either way im happy for sony.
either way im happy for sony.
I think HD DVD got screwed thanks to Microsoft's wishes to implement digital distribution more so than the HD format.
Oh well, no BR for me. I'll revert back to normal DVD before I switch to BR.
Oh well, no BR for me. I'll revert back to normal DVD before I switch to BR.
i almost bought the HDDVD Add-On when the price dropped recently. Happy i didnt now. This makes the future purchase of a ps3 that much more enticing.
I read about this on engadget this morning. I have never really cared about the format wars as I do not own an HDTV, HD DVD or Blu ray player. However, I must say I am surprised at the outcome. I predicted that the familiar name of HD DVD would cause consumers to flock to it while ignoring the odd titled Blu Ray.
Well to answer Colettes Q above. I think if HD DVD came with the space availability that BRD offered they would have had a better chance and probably over come BRD.
but 10gig-20gig max is not enough for consumers, they want more. In todays age, consumer want more space even if it cost a bit more than the cheaper version. 25gig-50gig is pretty freaking sweet, and having the PS3 with Divx support, how many movies in one BRD can you fit?
When Optical Disks come out, with 1 terrabyte of space, with a affordable player, the same will happen and fade out BRD.
but 10gig-20gig max is not enough for consumers, they want more. In todays age, consumer want more space even if it cost a bit more than the cheaper version. 25gig-50gig is pretty freaking sweet, and having the PS3 with Divx support, how many movies in one BRD can you fit?
When Optical Disks come out, with 1 terrabyte of space, with a affordable player, the same will happen and fade out BRD.
I did not really want it to go one way or another, but I am kinda surprised that HD-DVD did so poorly. I thought blu ray was too expensive and I figured the name was kinda crappy.
If you got an everyday consumer which do you think they would feel more confident about just by the name alone? I thought HD-DVD, because people know that HD=pretty and DVD=Disc with some type of media. As apposed to blu ray, where I figured most people would have just said "what?"
I guess that was not enough to overcome the blu ray onslaught.
Personally, I will stick with DVDs until the PS3 gets some better games. I don't care about blu ray enough to want to buy a player just for it.
If you got an everyday consumer which do you think they would feel more confident about just by the name alone? I thought HD-DVD, because people know that HD=pretty and DVD=Disc with some type of media. As apposed to blu ray, where I figured most people would have just said "what?"
I guess that was not enough to overcome the blu ray onslaught.
Personally, I will stick with DVDs until the PS3 gets some better games. I don't care about blu ray enough to want to buy a player just for it.
Over? Its just begun, and Im putting my money on Holographic Video Disks
i own both systems. having said that i never understood how people viewed xbox as so much cheaper than the ps3. it was fun to diss the ps3 for its price and yes it was expensive, but if you took an xbox 360 core added a hard drive and an hd dvd player, wireless kit and a 1 yr subscription to xbox live...how was it that the price points were viewed so differently???
Doesn't bother me either way. As long as they keep making games for the 360 thats all that matters to me. If I want to watch a film Im quite happy with standard dvds at the moment.
@harrmonica
I got the choice with my 360 though. If I got a PS3 I had to pay for the blu ray too, and frankly, I don't care about HD-DVD or blu ray.
I got the choice with my 360 though. If I got a PS3 I had to pay for the blu ray too, and frankly, I don't care about HD-DVD or blu ray.
It's about time! Personally, I didn't care who won. HD-DVD had better features IMO but they were so minor that it didn't really matter. Blu-Ray players do have the option of upgrading to those features one day though (well...most do).
I'm just glad it's over.
I'm just glad it's over.
I'm glad I picked Blu Ray over HD DVD, I'd called it on Blu Ray back in 2004 when I first started seeing specs on the technology. One manufacturer is SERIOUSLY gambling if they think they can sole source a new technology. Toshiba were just too stringent in licensing out tech, and from there it just became a matter of who wanted it worse. Sony got cut out of DVD licensing, so they jumped onto Blu Ray technology LONG before HD DVD came into spec.
And in all honesty, it has nothing to do with features, picture quality, cramming it into a console, or what have you.
Sony got cut out of DVD licensing profits. Sony came back with something better and left the DVD Group scrambling to catch up and they failed.
I'm just glad it's over. Which ever side would've won, had it gone the other way would've gotten my dollars either way.
As opposed to some who bear some mysteriously stupid grudge against Blu Ray, I just want movies in HD. I don't care if they're on flash carts or disks or whatever. I could care less if they're shipping 1.0 players when 2.0 is around the corner. I just want a movie box that plays HD media.
I have that now.
And in all honesty, it has nothing to do with features, picture quality, cramming it into a console, or what have you.
Sony got cut out of DVD licensing profits. Sony came back with something better and left the DVD Group scrambling to catch up and they failed.
I'm just glad it's over. Which ever side would've won, had it gone the other way would've gotten my dollars either way.
As opposed to some who bear some mysteriously stupid grudge against Blu Ray, I just want movies in HD. I don't care if they're on flash carts or disks or whatever. I could care less if they're shipping 1.0 players when 2.0 is around the corner. I just want a movie box that plays HD media.
I have that now.
@spykron
"how is toshiba sad for the consumer, i wonder."
Toshiba is sad because I think they will now have to pay royalities to Sony to use the blue-ray format, as opposed to Sony having to pay Toshiba DVD royalities. Thats the real reason, that and the fact that they stand to lose a lot of money over this. If toshiba was smart they should work fast, get a good and inexpensive blue ray player out there, one that can play hd-dvds as well and start moving some units.
"how is toshiba sad for the consumer, i wonder."
Toshiba is sad because I think they will now have to pay royalities to Sony to use the blue-ray format, as opposed to Sony having to pay Toshiba DVD royalities. Thats the real reason, that and the fact that they stand to lose a lot of money over this. If toshiba was smart they should work fast, get a good and inexpensive blue ray player out there, one that can play hd-dvds as well and start moving some units.
I guess it's time to buy a Blu-Ray player soon. Maybe a PS3?
The movies had better go on sale, though. $30 still? Crazy.
The movies had better go on sale, though. $30 still? Crazy.
a million voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
ps3 sales are going to rocket this year.
i've only got the spiderman trilogy on bluray, only cost £15 in tesco.
ps3 sales are going to rocket this year.
i've only got the spiderman trilogy on bluray, only cost £15 in tesco.
There was never any way this could have ended other than the way it did. That was clear before the formats even launched. I'll never understand why people bought into HD-DVD when it had so little support from Hollywood.
Regardless of whether or not you think HD-DVD was superior, it just never had any support. Microsoft might have more money than God, but they don't own a movie studio (yet) and HD-DVD needed movies.
The way I see it, everyone wins. If all you own is Blu-ray, you're golden. If all you own is HD-DVD, you would've had to have bought a Blu-ray player at some point anyway if this format war continued on much longer.
If you own both, you probably don't care anyway.
It's the people sitting on the fence who are the real winners though, because now they can finally jump into Blu-ray and not have to worry about this nonsense any more.
Regardless of whether or not you think HD-DVD was superior, it just never had any support. Microsoft might have more money than God, but they don't own a movie studio (yet) and HD-DVD needed movies.
The way I see it, everyone wins. If all you own is Blu-ray, you're golden. If all you own is HD-DVD, you would've had to have bought a Blu-ray player at some point anyway if this format war continued on much longer.
If you own both, you probably don't care anyway.
It's the people sitting on the fence who are the real winners though, because now they can finally jump into Blu-ray and not have to worry about this nonsense any more.
digital distribution will not win out until those born in the early to mid 80's gives up on physical media. unlike the rest of you, we grew up without the proliferation of digital downloads. it really started slowly in our teens and by the time we hit college, it took off. and people being rather set in their ways, we're not giving up physical media.
I haven't really followed the format wars too much but it seems to me that it had more to do with the studio's decision versus consumer decision. Since more studios backed up Blu-ray more movies in theory could come out on it. I'm sure the PS3 didn't hurt. I know at least before the PS3 came out HD-DVD players were outselling Blu-ray players.
I was kind of hoping the universal disk players would take off and make the format war a totally moot point. Although I'm also with Caffeine Powered and waiting for the HVD's to become standard.
None of this matters until I can afford an HDTV anyway
I was kind of hoping the universal disk players would take off and make the format war a totally moot point. Although I'm also with Caffeine Powered and waiting for the HVD's to become standard.
None of this matters until I can afford an HDTV anyway
HD DVD is dead. He's no longer here. However in this Console and on my TV he lives on! BLLLLLUUUU RAAAAAY DEEE-VEEEE-DEEEEEE!!!
Best Buy was running buy one get one free deals over the weekend. Oh and off topic, I like how I disappear for a few days and shit hits the fan with everyones favorite lawyer becoming a member of our esteemed community.
Well, it’s about damn time. I invested in Blu-ray long ago by buying a PS3 at the end of 2006, so I’m glad it won out. Like dvddesign, I don’t care as much about “next-gen interactivity” and all that extraneous crap with my special features. I just want my movie in 1080p with uncompressed audio, and Blu-ray has delivered so far on the 8 or so movies that I own. Now we can finally move on from this ridiculous format war. I can has the Bourne trilogy on Blu-ray?
Also, w00t...tip recognition! Thanks, Colette!
Also, w00t...tip recognition! Thanks, Colette!
@GuitarAtomik
Most Blu-Ray players are _not_ upgradeable you mean? Only the PS3 is upgradeable. If profile 2.0 is non backwards compatible, people with stand alone players are screwed.
@Corak
BDA, like the HDDVD association are associations... Sony doesn't own it, any more than Toshiba owns HDDVD. They're just the major promoters.
@naia-the-gamer
You have it exactly right. The consumer didn't pick anything.
Most Blu-Ray players are _not_ upgradeable you mean? Only the PS3 is upgradeable. If profile 2.0 is non backwards compatible, people with stand alone players are screwed.
@Corak
BDA, like the HDDVD association are associations... Sony doesn't own it, any more than Toshiba owns HDDVD. They're just the major promoters.
@naia-the-gamer
You have it exactly right. The consumer didn't pick anything.
I'm glad this over too.
I think DVDDESIGN voiced my opinion best in his post. I just want my damn movie. I don't want to be dicked around with format shit.
I think DVDDESIGN voiced my opinion best in his post. I just want my damn movie. I don't want to be dicked around with format shit.
Two things won this battle for Sony:
1. Sony forced PS3 owners to purchase a Blu-ray player with the console, allowing the Blu-ray group to announce much higher player sales.
2. Sony spent big money to buy studio's support.
Know though, that this was only the first battle in a war. Now Sony needs to prove to the average consumer that they need to pay 50-100% more for HD content. It'll be interesting too see how long it takes for prices on players and discs to come down when Sony has the only format.
Even with HD TV's becoming a standard in houses, you only really see differences in larger TV's. Without anything other than resolution going for Blu-ray (does anyone care about better menus?), it's going to be a hard sell to you average consumer.
1. Sony forced PS3 owners to purchase a Blu-ray player with the console, allowing the Blu-ray group to announce much higher player sales.
2. Sony spent big money to buy studio's support.
Know though, that this was only the first battle in a war. Now Sony needs to prove to the average consumer that they need to pay 50-100% more for HD content. It'll be interesting too see how long it takes for prices on players and discs to come down when Sony has the only format.
Even with HD TV's becoming a standard in houses, you only really see differences in larger TV's. Without anything other than resolution going for Blu-ray (does anyone care about better menus?), it's going to be a hard sell to you average consumer.
I will never purchase movies through downloadable content, unless all DVD production was halted. I prefer a tangible product that wont become corrupted, lost, accidently deleted.
I think consumers feel the same way. And I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see downloadable only videos as piracy would shoot through the roof.
I think consumers feel the same way. And I HIGHLY doubt we will ever see downloadable only videos as piracy would shoot through the roof.
About time. It's been sputtering and coughing up blood since Warner Bros. defected. It's only been a matter of time and Toshiba has been simply grasping at straws.
I'm glad I have a PS3 so I'm set, even though I saw this comming. Everyone should buy a PS3, it is superior to the 360 in every way (except for online which will change very soon).
Yeah, I don't care, I don't see the purpose of HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. Hell, I don't even know anyone that owns a player for either..
@Urashima
digital distribution is NOT gonna replace HD disk ; it's way to early for it. With the current hardrive sizes that are COMMON (as in everday consumer and not high powered gamer) are too small to house an entire library of HD movies and tv shows and what not... they may be about good enough for standard definition, but their a long way off from doing HD... HD digital download won't have a chanceuntil something like 1 TB hardrives start becoming common place (by everyone not just high powered gamers and the like)
@CaffeinePowered
No, the format war is over... your thinking about the NEXT format war which will probably be like decade or two from now where it may very well be competing against digital distribution
@harrmonica
The reason is that their are plenty of 360 owners that do not care about most of the addons and as such got the console and JUST the console. They had a legitimate point about the PS3's price since they spent only $400...
those that got Xbox live though have a somewhat less legit point... onje year of xbox live may only cost $50 which still made it cheaper, but if you multiply that by 5 years for the life of the console, you get a price greater than that of the PS3... however, one would argue that the better online service makes it worthwhile enough to bring some legitimacy to their point of PS3 being more costly... some... either that, or they just don't know how to add up costs in the long run...
those that got all the other add on's like HDDVD, have no right to make that point, as they spent just as much money if not more on their xbox... if they complaigned that PS3 was too costly while spending more money on their 360 then they obvious don't know how to add up costs
digital distribution is NOT gonna replace HD disk ; it's way to early for it. With the current hardrive sizes that are COMMON (as in everday consumer and not high powered gamer) are too small to house an entire library of HD movies and tv shows and what not... they may be about good enough for standard definition, but their a long way off from doing HD... HD digital download won't have a chanceuntil something like 1 TB hardrives start becoming common place (by everyone not just high powered gamers and the like)
@CaffeinePowered
No, the format war is over... your thinking about the NEXT format war which will probably be like decade or two from now where it may very well be competing against digital distribution
@harrmonica
The reason is that their are plenty of 360 owners that do not care about most of the addons and as such got the console and JUST the console. They had a legitimate point about the PS3's price since they spent only $400...
those that got Xbox live though have a somewhat less legit point... onje year of xbox live may only cost $50 which still made it cheaper, but if you multiply that by 5 years for the life of the console, you get a price greater than that of the PS3... however, one would argue that the better online service makes it worthwhile enough to bring some legitimacy to their point of PS3 being more costly... some... either that, or they just don't know how to add up costs in the long run...
those that got all the other add on's like HDDVD, have no right to make that point, as they spent just as much money if not more on their xbox... if they complaigned that PS3 was too costly while spending more money on their 360 then they obvious don't know how to add up costs
@wraith808
Oh! I thought they already had the upgradeable stand alone players on the market. Non-PS3 owning Blu-Ray people are going to get screwed on that deal.
Oh! I thought they already had the upgradeable stand alone players on the market. Non-PS3 owning Blu-Ray people are going to get screwed on that deal.
More disk space, higher bitrate, uncompressed, lossless 7.1 PCM audio - Not much of a competition. HD-DVD was doomed from the start.
@Hells_666
Woah! Slow your road there kid. No need for rampant fanboism. I'll save your comment and keep it tucked away for when the NPD numbers come out for GTA4. Even if I have a PS3 by then (which is possible) I'll probably get it for X360 BECAUSE of the extra episodes and the multiplayer (as in, I'll have more friends to play with).
In the end, who cares though as long as you get to play it.
Woah! Slow your road there kid. No need for rampant fanboism. I'll save your comment and keep it tucked away for when the NPD numbers come out for GTA4. Even if I have a PS3 by then (which is possible) I'll probably get it for X360 BECAUSE of the extra episodes and the multiplayer (as in, I'll have more friends to play with).
In the end, who cares though as long as you get to play it.
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