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First thing I did when I got my new graphics card was boot up TF2 and throw all settings to max. I couldn't believe the difference. I was reminded of the PS1 days when talk of Picar-level realtime graphics was first being tossed around and realized its been done, namely in TF2. While were on the subject, I think the cutscenes in Diablo 3 are incredible. The scene between acts I and II in particular had me questioning whether it was CGI or not in some places. Also, The Last of Us. That is all.
I need some Unreal Tournament 2012 right now. Just port 2k4 into the new engine and release it. I'm sure everyone will buy :)
I honestly struggle to tell the difference between the graphics of different games (like CoD MW3 and Battlefield 3) but I guess I can't hate on the idea of prettier games.
Maybe they'll make the netcode better for this one than the shitfest they use for their games in UE3.
"Look, I don't have a clue what people think is important in terms of visual realism in games."
Its subjective.. And even then, most of the time, developers never actually achieve (or go for) it because they're meeting a deadline or are looking to cut corners.
Basically, true visual realism in a game is a myth till the business better allocates its time and resources.
Its subjective.. And even then, most of the time, developers never actually achieve (or go for) it because they're meeting a deadline or are looking to cut corners.
Basically, true visual realism in a game is a myth till the business better allocates its time and resources.
Meh. Show me something in motion. These stills don't look any better than a lot of current games. What am I supposed to be getting excited about exactly?
The Samaritan demo looked more impressive.
I'm hoping we'll see some DX11 PC exclusives soon. DX11 is currently just duct-taped onto DX9 games because they have to be able to run on 7 year old console hardware. We really haven't seen what even current gen PC hardware is capable of because of this.
As for how important graphics are, it really depends on the game to me. I go from playing high-end AAA games with crazy awesome visuals to $10 indie games that look like crap but play great all the time. But graphics can effect gameplay (in scale, physics, and ways we probably haven't thought about yet), despite what people say. You can't run Battlefield 3 on an N64, and even if you could it wouldn't be the same game. And even most 2D indie games make heavy use of physics; they may look 16-bit but they could never run on that hardware.
Personally, I want to give developers more power and better engines and see what they can do with it. They are the ones with the imagination, anyone saying graphics don't matter is being short-sighted.
I'm hoping we'll see some DX11 PC exclusives soon. DX11 is currently just duct-taped onto DX9 games because they have to be able to run on 7 year old console hardware. We really haven't seen what even current gen PC hardware is capable of because of this.
As for how important graphics are, it really depends on the game to me. I go from playing high-end AAA games with crazy awesome visuals to $10 indie games that look like crap but play great all the time. But graphics can effect gameplay (in scale, physics, and ways we probably haven't thought about yet), despite what people say. You can't run Battlefield 3 on an N64, and even if you could it wouldn't be the same game. And even most 2D indie games make heavy use of physics; they may look 16-bit but they could never run on that hardware.
Personally, I want to give developers more power and better engines and see what they can do with it. They are the ones with the imagination, anyone saying graphics don't matter is being short-sighted.
well it doesn't look a million miles away from stuff that we've seen before (at least on PC) but more importantly it doesn't look like UE3 which i find quite odd. has a very different visual feel to it in my eyes, although i guess seeing it in motion might give a different impression.
to the guy who said it was "more brown"... it's not that brown really though is it.
to the guy who said it was "more brown"... it's not that brown really though is it.
They always show those moody, cheesy-ass, motifs. All the tortured soul knight demon bullshit is getting old. How about some fucking red pandas frolicking in the sun? How about a bunch of cats with bread on their faces running away from the rain? Those would be able to show the prowess of the engine while also not coming across as whiny lord of the rings crap.
These people aren't designers guys, they just *try* to make things that make their tech stand out. It's why these things look a bit generic and stale. Though I agree that, with all this tech your going to need the imagination to utilize it. Technology can only get you so far without the creativity.
This stuff is really exciting for those of us who actually use the engine. I can understand why the public isn't going gaga over this just yet. if you guys could see this in motion your minds would melt. The stills don't don't justice.
Some of these new features are amazing and I hope they update UDK shortly after the official announcement in June.
Some of these new features are amazing and I hope they update UDK shortly after the official announcement in June.
This stuff is really exciting for those of us who actually use the engine. I can understand why the public isn't going gaga over this just yet. if you guys could see this in motion your minds would melt. The stills don't don't justice.
Some of these new features are amazing and I hope they update UDK shortly after the official announcement in June.
Some of these new features are amazing and I hope they update UDK shortly after the official announcement in June.
@Luftwaffles
"Texture pop-in" is a feature of Unreal. Unreal is deliberately optimized to only load normals of things actually displayed within view of the player. Things outside of view are unloaded to save resources.
Would you rather have the game stop and go to a load screen just to load the normals? Trust me, you wouldn't... because then you'd be complaining that Unreal is a piece of shit that has more loading screens than gameplay.
"Texture pop-in" is a feature of Unreal. Unreal is deliberately optimized to only load normals of things actually displayed within view of the player. Things outside of view are unloaded to save resources.
Would you rather have the game stop and go to a load screen just to load the normals? Trust me, you wouldn't... because then you'd be complaining that Unreal is a piece of shit that has more loading screens than gameplay.
@Stealth
If you read the actual wired article where this image came from they're trying to reduce the cost and time needed for developers to make great, quality games.
@TheNephilym
As Jinx mentioned if you want a better idea look up Unreals Samaritan Demo on youtube, it's an old demo and doesn't have all the new changes but it'll give you an idea. If you still doubt this is big look for Epic's Citadel demo in flash to show what they're capable of using something basic.
@Cahuatijo
They're just advertising to current trend popularity in games to appeal more to companies making similar style games, and the current trend is fantasy games. Samaritan was an advertisement for FPS/TPS companies, Citadel I feel was aimed at indie devs.
As for my opinion Jinx pretty much has hit the nail on the head as for anyone else left the graphical hardware needed is, in fact, right around the corner.
P.S Crysis 2 doesn't need high grade hardware by a long shot to run, and Battlefield 3 ended up not fully living up to its graphical potential on PC as it catered partially to consoles. As for arguments about price, I believe Intel's Tock (or tick whichever is the next architechure) will make at least an i5-2500k well affordable, likewise the 680 isn't the real goliath from Nvidia, our rumor name is the GTX 780 and it will also make current gen cards like the 560ti affordable.
So hear ye, hear ye, This will be a major step in gaming, and no, it won't cost 2000$ or more to run.
If you read the actual wired article where this image came from they're trying to reduce the cost and time needed for developers to make great, quality games.
@TheNephilym
As Jinx mentioned if you want a better idea look up Unreals Samaritan Demo on youtube, it's an old demo and doesn't have all the new changes but it'll give you an idea. If you still doubt this is big look for Epic's Citadel demo in flash to show what they're capable of using something basic.
@Cahuatijo
They're just advertising to current trend popularity in games to appeal more to companies making similar style games, and the current trend is fantasy games. Samaritan was an advertisement for FPS/TPS companies, Citadel I feel was aimed at indie devs.
As for my opinion Jinx pretty much has hit the nail on the head as for anyone else left the graphical hardware needed is, in fact, right around the corner.
P.S Crysis 2 doesn't need high grade hardware by a long shot to run, and Battlefield 3 ended up not fully living up to its graphical potential on PC as it catered partially to consoles. As for arguments about price, I believe Intel's Tock (or tick whichever is the next architechure) will make at least an i5-2500k well affordable, likewise the 680 isn't the real goliath from Nvidia, our rumor name is the GTX 780 and it will also make current gen cards like the 560ti affordable.
So hear ye, hear ye, This will be a major step in gaming, and no, it won't cost 2000$ or more to run.
From what I've read, those in the industry who've seen UE4 in action have come away very impressed. If what I've heard about UE4 is accurate, it will be a dominant force in gaming for the rest of the decade.
Gotta agree I cannot thin of a time when an enemy was killing me that I was wondering why the pictures on the walls looked a little fuzzy.
It's cool, providing that the game's engine gives sufficient time to enjoy the visuals instead of constantly throwing things at you. Then again it's difficult to enjoy a pile of rubble in the corner of a room in a game.
Time for current gen console hardware to just die, the lounge brigade can enjoy real HD graphics at 60fps then!
This looks like games I already have. Honestly. I am seriously struggling to tell the difference between this and any given PC version of a AAA game.
Yes, it looks a little better than something in UE3. So? I fail to see why I should care.
Yes, it looks a little better than something in UE3. So? I fail to see why I should care.
This looks worse than some games we've seen already. IDtech5 engine absolutely shits all over any of these images. The trailer for The Samaritan looked leagues better than any of these images. Kinda disappointing.
The pictures didn't get me super excited, but after reading the article on what it is supposedly capable of I am super excited. I feel like this could easily become bigger than even UE3 has been this generation.
There's a reason why we remember great titles from the first gen of 3D gaming (PS1/N64/Saturn) much fonder than they actually are. The graphics were great then but our imaginations filled in the rest because the *gameplay* was so fucking good. This looks cool and all, but I can't really notice a substantial leap from Battlefield 3 on a high end gaming rig or even the cutscene that just came out for The Last of Us, and that shit was running on the 5 year old PS3.
Graphics are cool and all, but let's focus on something other than textures, lighting, and particles. How about enemy AI, draw distance, character animations, real world physics, or other things that actually affect the *gameplay*.
This console generation is enough for me. I could continue playing games for my PS3 or 360 for another 10 years and not care. If we're gonna force the next console cycle before it's actually needed, let's focus that processing power on something more tangible that isn't going to necessitate multiple 50GB Blu-rays, large mandatory installs, painful load times, and ridiculously large updates and DLC. Good?
Graphics are cool and all, but let's focus on something other than textures, lighting, and particles. How about enemy AI, draw distance, character animations, real world physics, or other things that actually affect the *gameplay*.
This console generation is enough for me. I could continue playing games for my PS3 or 360 for another 10 years and not care. If we're gonna force the next console cycle before it's actually needed, let's focus that processing power on something more tangible that isn't going to necessitate multiple 50GB Blu-rays, large mandatory installs, painful load times, and ridiculously large updates and DLC. Good?
The positives of this engine is how it'll eliminate the 'baking time' needed to compile a game and test it. Instead, the new engine will allow game developers to see the visual results in real time.
Also, why are people passing judgment on a TECH demo? The other Unreal Engine demos they posted before had a lot more detail and time put into them and look appropriately impressive.
Plus, at this rate with game engines nowadays, who cares if they look microscopically better here and there? They're all good engines.
Also, why are people passing judgment on a TECH demo? The other Unreal Engine demos they posted before had a lot more detail and time put into them and look appropriately impressive.
Plus, at this rate with game engines nowadays, who cares if they look microscopically better here and there? They're all good engines.
The positives of this engine is how it'll eliminate the 'baking time' needed to compile a game and test it. Instead, the new engine will allow game developers to see the visual results in real time.
Also, why are people passing judgment on a TECH demo? The other Unreal Engine demos they posted before had a lot more detail and time put into them and look appropriately impressive.
Plus, at this rate with game engines nowadays, who cares if they look microscopically better here and there? They're all good engines.
Also, why are people passing judgment on a TECH demo? The other Unreal Engine demos they posted before had a lot more detail and time put into them and look appropriately impressive.
Plus, at this rate with game engines nowadays, who cares if they look microscopically better here and there? They're all good engines.
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