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Square Enix isn't working on an HD remake of Final Fantasy VII. At least, that's what the publisher keeps telling everybody, but nobody seems willing to believe it. Game producers Yoshinori Kitase and Motomu Toriyama have addressed the issue yet again, claiming this time that it would be an incredibly difficult and lengthy process to remake something like Final Fantasy VII.

"It is a result of considering HD graphics will be the mainstream. Considering the amount of work to make graphics that deserve HD, it is hard to make towns in the conventional style," explains Toriyama. "In the limited period of development time, to convey the the great story that deserves the name of Final Fantasy, and to convey the battles that entertain players enough, we condensed each element."

Kitase adds: "It is very hard to make games on PlayStation 3 in the same style as the games in that era had. Making graphics will take enormous time."

Personally, I hope Final Fantasy VII never gets remade. I still think the original is terrific, and I think Square Enix ruined it enough with its stream of sequels and prequels that bogged down the original story in anime bullsh*t and characters that were shoehorned in so roughly it's impossible to imagine them fitting with the original game's universe. I see no good coming from a remake.

Final Fantasy VII Style Difficult to Translate to HD, Square Enix Says [1UP]








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Seolfer Wulf's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:01
Seolfer Wulf
I remember when this site had news.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:05
timtheterrible
@ Sinow

Really? Because I always remembered it being a gaming blog. You want nothing but a steady stream of news, go to Kotaku.
D-503's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:07
D-503
Yeah, I'm with ya.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:07
HEL105
FFVI, please. I want to see how awesome Magitek armor looks with fancy new DS graphics.
AliasWyvernspur's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:08
AliasWyvernspur
I remember when this site saved Timmy from the well.
Butternine's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:09
Butternine
Great game, but it definitely doesn't need a remake.

The time spent remastering an old game would be better spent making a new one :).
MarshMayhem's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:10
MarshMayhem
I agree, I hope they never remake FF7 its good just the way it is.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:11
Jim Sterling
I remember when Destructoid users didn't feel the need to be little bitches.
Tyler Jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:18
Tyler Jones
So they have the ability to make full blown PS3 games but not updated PS1 games? Explain.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:18
HEL105
@Bigmoose85
No no, I think it was right the first time :-)
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:18
The Silent Protagonist
I have to say that FFXIV seems to be sporting some big-looking towns. If it was so hard for FFVII and FFXIII, why is FFXIV not having these issues?

Then again, why does FFVII have to be such a dramatic overhaul? Have Sony and MS outlawed pre-rendered backgrounds or something? Why not just HD up the combat and cutscene side of the game and do the rest of it like the did it on PSX, just with prettier pre-renders.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:21
Chronic Logic
You stay on your side of the arena and I stay on my side, we each attack one at a time, you make an impossible jump towards me and slash me then you teleport back to your position.

Or worse yet, you see a whole entire party burst from Cloud's body.

Now imagine that in HD graphics. Yea, weird and scary.
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:26
SedeoInedus
Agree with Moose. No need. Maybe SE should try adding some seriousness to their up and comings and stop resting on their laurels
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:27
Bob Muir
I still contend that this game could use a remake just for the graphical upgrade. I have issues with the game's plot and the double-edged sword that is the materia system, but ignoring that, if you haven't noticed lately, the game is damn ugly, in that "early 3D on PS1 on top of horribly blurry prerendered backgrounds" look. I played it about a year ago, even with my PS3 upscaling it, and I just got a headache from looking at the graphics from time to time. Or how about the fact that there are three potential art styles for the characters - short 'n' squatty, the more detailed battle models, and the occasional prerendered cutscene where you see them the way they really are? It's jarring to watch an otherwise cool looking cutscene of that first WEAPON attacking the big canon city, see everything all realistic-styled, and then see little midget soldiers running in fear.

It would certainly need consideration for the modern style of gaming, and I'm not even that excited about playing it again, but I still think that it deserves a remake just for artistic consistency within the game and allowing you to look at the game without your eyes bleeding.
brimtastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:42
brimtastic
No need to remake VII, and it's become tiring hearing about it every month. Hell, if they're going to remake a FF for the next-gen, why not go back to the SNES-era games? I thought the DS ones were great.
ScottyG's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:42
ScottyG
I thought the fans just wanted the exact same game gussied up with fancy graphics, not a completely redesigned game. :\
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:52
the7k
"Personally, I hope Final Fantasy VII never gets remade. I still think the original is terrific, and I think Square Enix ruined it enough with its stream of sequels and prequels that bogged down the original story in anime bullsh*t and characters that were shoehorned in so roughly it's impossible to imagine them fitting with the original game's universe. I see no good coming from a remake."

And that's why, if a remake ever is made, the only thing it better change is the visuals... because the visuals are crap. They're so primitive looking. While the Final Fantasies that came before it have visuals that age like wine, FF7's visuals has aged like milk.

And seriously, stop remaking all the older Final Fantasies with N64-grade graphics. Maybe I'm crazy, but I much preferred the way FF3 looked on the NES as opposed to the DS.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:55
the7k
@ Necros
My thoughts exactly. If ANY of the Final Fantasy games NEEDS to be remade, it's FF7. It's a freaking eye-sore.
Chad Almasy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:56
Chad Almasy
Maybe they could take the whole "Compilation" thing and cram it into one game with Crisis Core graphics...and make it all fit together...somehow. This'd essentially be another game, not really just a remake, and would be worth playing through. A remake? Why bother? Another game would make more sense. God, I hate hate hate FFVII's rabid fanbase.
Leon Field's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:56
Leon Field
As much as I would like a re-mastered version (Just the graphics updated everything else left alone). It probably will never happen. So for now I will play the original which is still a great game.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:57
Aurain
Xenogears needs remaking.
FF7 is fine as is.
The Pat Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 07:59
The Pat Man
Personally, I don't like the graphics of the original. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a graphics whore by any means. I know there was graphical limitations back them, but still. The friggen chibi styled characters when not in battle are so emotionally confusing! When shite is getting serious story wise, I don't know if I should go "awwwww" or "d'awwwwww"!
WhiteZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:09
WhiteZombie
i completely agree with Jim on this one - its like that southpark episode where george lucas and stephen spielberg were re-making their classic movies - "the guns have all been replaced my walkie talkies"
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:10
Airbr1dge
I still haven't played this game.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:10
Monodi
@timtheterrible

Caketaku
shinryu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:15
shinryu
@ Necros
"early 3D on PS1 on top of horribly blurry prerendered backgrounds"

SD games are supposed to be played on SD sets, preferably cathode tube sets. upscaling also generally makes games look worse. even if they did release a remake with HD graphics, that game will also look like shit eventually (just like FFVII was the best-looking game ever when it came out, believe it or not). I've said this once, and I'll say it again: what's the point?
Seolfer Wulf's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:21
Seolfer Wulf
@Jim Sterling

No you don't.


Also:

It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead, Jim;
it's worse than that, he's dead, Jim, dead, Jim, dead.
CaptainBright's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:27
CaptainBright
@Chrono Logic

FFX anyone?But the part about Cloud's gang bursting out of his body=Nightmare fuel.....

Anyways,if Jim is saying the PC/PSP version of FFVII needs to stay intact,let it be.PS1's version of FFVII had those horrible puppet models,which seriously screwed my mind after FFVIII and FFIX.That needs a remake.
Kereth's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:32
Kereth
why does everyone want such a mediocre game remade in the first place?
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:48
dip
"why does everyone want such a mediocre game remade in the first place?"

1/10
jc83's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 08:57
jc83
Since I only played and completed it last year I feel like an arse calling it overrated. I do think it would be much better if it was remade. Something I found immediately stupid about the original was the way you left the starting city. The early part of the game has you wandering this dark polluted city but when you leave, everything looks like a medieval fantasy game. I would like to see a remake so they can make the world look like it should.

If I lived in that city I would merely move a few k's out and start a new leafy-green suburb.
Verision's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:01
Verision
If they remade the game, I'd buy it and I know 10 other people who would too.
Is that a good enough reason to remake it? I don't know.

I think Jim is at least partially right. Almost all the crap they inserted around the original sucks. Plus, there is a pretty good chance that SE would screw it up; decide to mess around with the game instead of just upgrade its graphics.

Either way, I'm not holding my breath for a remake.
AkatsukiKaizoku's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:03
AkatsukiKaizoku
Well, I hate Final Fantasy VII, and the only strong point of it was the story, the graphics were horrible, the characters lacked of soul (Except some but not that much) and the uberexplotation of VII makes sick anyone...

But maybe it would be a good idea... for a portable console, really donīt expect it appears on a main console because it will be a waste of money, and itīs a part lame excuse and a good one, lame, because we know Squeenix, with the FF III and IV, they done a fine job (well... itīs actually Matrix but you see my point), and easily they can put in charge Matrix again in the remake or make themselves like ALL the friggin spinoffs, prequels and that shit...

The good reason is that most of the fans WANT it in PS3, and really, that would be harder and the game itīs short in some way (yes, even with the 3 discs thing), remaking it would be mean extending it and adding new graphics, which, it needs but heck, HD are not easy buisness, even for Square and itīs army of well-looking-boys...

So well, you can tell, I hate FFVII, but if they do it, they should make it decent enough
Flake's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:05
Flake
I'd prefer a remake of the game using SNES style graphics.
ICLHStudios's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:06
ICLHStudios
@kereth
Because people don't judge games based on actual quality, they judge them based on nostalgia and how much influence they had, otherwise you wouldn't see SMB, OoT, and FFVII on everyone's "best games of all time" lists and such.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:10
Bob Muir
@ shinryu108

However, sprite-based games look beautiful all the time on my HDTV, provided I have a way of outputting it in 480p or higher. Their graphics age well. Even on an SDTV, Final Fantasy VII is horribly ugly. My PS3's upscaling just prevents it from looking even worse than it normally would be, since HDTVs don't handle 480i signals well.

The fact of the matter is, early 3D games - pretty much the entirety of the PS1 and plenty of the N64 catalogs (as well as Saturn 3D games) - just age horribly, regardless of what set you play them on. (The only reason I still like how Super Mario 64 and some N64 games look is because of the abstract, unrealistic nature of the whole thing - or nostalgia.) FFVIII and beyond at least worked out some of the kinks and had consistent art direction (my comment about the models), but FFVII is, visually, a mess. It has nothing to do with playing on an HDTV, it's just an ugly game. I predict 3D games from the era of PS2 onwards will age more gracefully, as they already have, though not quite as gracefully as sprite-based games.
whateverthismeanstoyou's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:12
whateverthismeanstoyou
if it doesn't come out in the CD-ROM format, I am not buying. I thought disc swapping was the essential thrill of playing FF VII.
ammoelf3's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:15
ammoelf3
@Jim

I usually have a straight face when you respond to people who troll your topics, being all like "Why is he stooping to their level? That's not classy!"

Then I read your little gem: "I remember when Destructoid users didn't feel the need to be little bitches." - Jim Sterling

I retract my stance. I laughed pretty hard at that one.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:22
catsithx
Well hopefully they never remake it cause like Jim said it would not make it a better game.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:27
Xzyliac
@Jim Sterling
I lul'd.
shinryu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:28
shinryu
@ Necros

I agree 100% on 32-bit era graphics aging horribly (same thing holds for gameplay, IMO, in a lot of cases). One of the problems with FFVII is that it's polygon models over bitmap backdrops, so if you upscale you get sharper models (with little or no textures) over the same lo-res backdrops. Keeping everything lo-res makes it look MUCH better to me.

Personally I don't let it bother me too much. I enjoyed the game and the graphics back in the day, and I still enjoy it for what it is. It had its own style back then and I can still relate to that. The whole point of a remake is moot for me, because graphics will ALWAYS keep aging. I'd rather have new content.
Mr Pibb's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:29
Mr Pibb
OK, new plan guys. Final Fantasy VI remake on PSP. After seeing Terra in Dissidia I really want to see it happen.


D Chap's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:33
D Chap
I don't get this crap about towns being difficult to make in HD- they said the same thing as reasoning for why FFXIII doesn't have towns. FFXIII has among the biggest scope for a game- the amount of art and animation in that game is simply mind blowing. they've got 7000 airships, 40000 character models, countless animation and cutscenes, 5000 detailed enemies, not to mention tons of detailed and beautiful environments- and you're telling me that towns are just too hard? Why?

I don't get it
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:35
Occams electric toothbrush
Remake River City Ransom.
Leave Final Fantasy alone.
Well, you can shit on X-2.
That's quite alright.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:39
manasteel88
Cloud in a Dress HD

it'll never get remade...now FFVIII on the other hand needs to be remade as that story just fell apart
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:50
Drakengard
I'm really tired of hearing SE essentially whine "HD makes towns hard to build." Yeah, I get it. You make massive games which require massive resources and massive amounts of dedication.

But so does GTAIV. So does Oblivion. So does Mass Effect. Its not something that just applies to FF so hearing devs say "its too hard" just makes me not want to play their games now. No ones telling them they have to have realistic environments. DQ8 was huge and was beautiful in looking hand drawn. The screenshots above of Terra? I could deal with a FF game that held to that look.

But a FF without towns? That's a bigger tunnel than FFX? God no. I'll wait for the price to drop or buy it used.
jsutcliffe's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 09:53
jsutcliffe
I still think someone should take a crack at a SNES-style demake of FFVII.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 10:14
Shadowiii
@Mr Pibb

Me too, but after HEARING Terra/Tina in Dissadia, I wanted to kill myself. Way to rape one of my favorite characters in gaming with a horrible voice.
I want a FFVI remake.
Lazerpig's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 10:26
Lazerpig
"I remember when Destructoid users didn't feel the need to be little bitches."
You do? Really? When?
shadowjin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/05/2010 10:27
shadowjin
@Dip

10/10 come back
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