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"I'm proud to say that I contributed to that sales number for FFVII, it's awesome on the PSP."
Same here.
Same here.
Well with the new FF out it's no wonder that people are interested. I actually am interested in what people who didn't play the game "back in the day" actually think of the story and gameplay.
I think that FF VII or VIII on a portable console is a nice move. I dont think it would sell so well on a living room console [could be wrong] but to re-live these games again anywhere at any time is pretty cool. I dont think the graphics wouldn't look too bad on a smaller screen ether. I have been struck down so many times by people telling me that VI is the best [i think they say 6], but i couldn't care less which is the 'best' VII is my favorite and always will be. I have so many good memories of that game, but im also the kinda person who is going to leave them as good memories. I dont want to taint something that i remember being so good :)
I still prefer VI to VII. I just wish that VI had received even half of the attention and fame that VII has.
I wish the would do a semi-remake/port of it to the PSP like they did for tactics. W/e. It's still extremely fun.
I have a copy of VII sitting on my shelf where it can be played on my PS3, so I'll only download it if it comes into the sale.
I'm proud to say I contributed to the welfare of Final Fantasy VIII though!
I'm proud to say I contributed to the welfare of Final Fantasy VIII though!
FF13 fixed a lot of the flaws associated with older JRPGs, like tedious and repetitious input in battles, or the time-sinks/illusions-of-freedom known as towns and shops, but it turns out that people didn't want those things fixed, even though we all complained about them when these older games were new. It's kind of crazy, but people want what they are comfortable with, even if it kind of sucks.
Why do you constantly make a point of saying Final Fantasy is so amazingly popular?
It's popular with people that played it previously - not mainstream new retards.
It's popular with people that played it previously - not mainstream new retards.
This is just crazy. And I bought both VII and VIII.
I hope they'll release FF IX at some point, I love it so fucking much.
I hope they'll release FF IX at some point, I love it so fucking much.
Pokota, I don't recall ever seeing anywhere that they want towns to dissapear. I think the lack of towns hurts the genre and makes it even harder to classify now. J-Role Playing Game. If you don't know the origins of RPG's, look it up. You will see there is a need for towns and how nerdish the games are. I love the nerd RPG games (not any of that D&D or LARPing stuff). FFXIII dosen't seem like an RPG to me, its like...a tactical Hack n' Slash.
@ViciousBoston. I bought new, and still own, the original cart for Final Fantasy 1. I don't need to look anything up. In fact, the reason I've come to hate towns is because I've played so many RPGs. They are nothing but time-sinks. Running around, clicking on people and objects over and over for fear of missing something, trying to stumble over whatever it is that I need to stumble over to advance the story, wasting time running from one shop to the next, all when I really just want to get the game moving. Towns sections are lulls that I have to force myself to play through. When I replay an old RPG, the towns are where I almost always where I lose my motivation. It's fine that you don't like them, but they are hardly the element that defines a good RPG.
@pokota
Last I heard they "took them out" because they spent so long on CGI and graphics. And no, we didn't "all" complain about towns. Actually out of all the complaints I've heard about the genre, I can't think of that many who had towns on the top of their remove list. Maybe improve on them but remove?
Last I heard they "took them out" because they spent so long on CGI and graphics. And no, we didn't "all" complain about towns. Actually out of all the complaints I've heard about the genre, I can't think of that many who had towns on the top of their remove list. Maybe improve on them but remove?
@ pokota
So what is defining RPG in your Oppinion ?
You seem like the type of person who would suggest to crop out dialogoues of P&C-Adventures in order to reduce them to pure puzzling madness.
Dungeon crawling with Story progression is not what a JRPG should be.
I can`t even think of good rpgs without towns...
So what is defining RPG in your Oppinion ?
You seem like the type of person who would suggest to crop out dialogoues of P&C-Adventures in order to reduce them to pure puzzling madness.
Dungeon crawling with Story progression is not what a JRPG should be.
I can`t even think of good rpgs without towns...
I'm still waiting for Final Fantasy IX. Hopefully these numbers will persuade someone at Square-Enix.
I still have FF VII sitting here but been thinking of getting it from PSN as well so I can play it on PSP...
I did buy FF VIII though!
I did buy FF VIII though!
Looks like I touched a nerve. You guys are right, it can't be an RPG unless you have to run around clicking on people. It's not the story, or the progression, or the battle system, it's the running around.
Does anyone know how compressed PSN games are? Some of them are quite small, so I assume the audio is converted to a lossy format.
I played FFVII (and VIII for that matter) for the first time on the PSN. Didn't really enjoy either of them. Guess that means I don't like RPGs.
Like most people, FF7 was my entry into the series. While I readily acknowledge that '7' has its share of flaws and that '6' is probably my favorite, I will always have a soft spot for this game.
@pokota
I'll inform Bethesda and Bioware on that. They've been getting it wrong for years it seems.
Yes because the only thing people enjoy in RPGs is running through a corridor fighting the same monsters for a few hours with no escape option just to drag it out longer until yet another another memory gobbling CGI scene in which a badly dubbed Australian accent that's like nails on a chalkboard says something with "Cie" in it five times in one sentence.
What else could you possibly ask for?
I'll inform Bethesda and Bioware on that. They've been getting it wrong for years it seems.
Yes because the only thing people enjoy in RPGs is running through a corridor fighting the same monsters for a few hours with no escape option just to drag it out longer until yet another another memory gobbling CGI scene in which a badly dubbed Australian accent that's like nails on a chalkboard says something with "Cie" in it five times in one sentence.
What else could you possibly ask for?
@Static Jak. Maybe they'll make a town simulator for you one day. No story, no battles, just towns, where you can just run around and click on stuff. See, I can also totally exaggerate what someone else means, too. This is no longer a discussion, so it's kind of pointless to continue.
Would you believe, I'm still using the factory card with my PSP? I better buy a bigger one so I could finally get these on my PSP.
I still love viii above all others I'm not comletely sure why either, I think the outstanding score helps a lot. I would fucking love to see xenogears or legend of dragoon up on psn too, I never got into ix.
I am also doing my bit. Still it is annoying that I needed to create a US acc and buy psn cards from eBay to buy them early. Stupid euro release dates.
I would like to say that XIII is not an RPG as you play no 'role' in the story. You just watch it with no branching whatsoever. I wouldn't even call it an interactive movie, just a movie with some battles thrown in.... A terrible movie at that. Seriously, the battles aren't even very interactive, I've yet to select anything but auto in any battles, and I've only switched paradaims in boss battles.
just selecting attack on a menu doesn't make it an rpg. Mass effect 2 is a million times the rpg xiii will ever be, and you actually control combat in that.
But back on topic, VII was great and I totally bought it even though I have a physical copy, to play on PSP, which is worthless otherwise.
just selecting attack on a menu doesn't make it an rpg. Mass effect 2 is a million times the rpg xiii will ever be, and you actually control combat in that.
But back on topic, VII was great and I totally bought it even though I have a physical copy, to play on PSP, which is worthless otherwise.
This is hardly surprising. The nostalgia bomb has been dropped.
I married Barret in a civil union ceremony last June in Vermont.
I married Barret in a civil union ceremony last June in Vermont.
I never beat Final Fantasy VII or VIII. I got up to the 2nd in VII and not even an 5 hours into VIII. Final Fantasy III was the pinnacle of the series for me. He was a thief and his name was Locke. Couldn't get much better than that.
@pokota
Seem to be under the impression that I only want towns. Far from it. What made FF good was all of it. Including battles, story and towns.
Things like the towns, camps, academies, bases, Story NPCs, sidequests, shops, and all that jazz helped set up a good pace for the game (and the characters), flesh it out and seem bigger than it was as well as the world it was happening in.
FF games, as any fan of the series knows, have always been linear to some degree, so this one continuing that trend is no surprise. It's the fact that they stripped out nearly everything except combat and cutscenes that makes this game "linear" even for a JRPG. If you took out the combat, it'd literally be a B Movie with horrible voice acting and dialogue with nothing missing from the story and you'd have the same experience.
I remember when I heard all about how "linear" the game was. And this is exactly what I said about that on the 21st of Dec on another forum:
"Linear? That means it's bad? Linear is part of the JRPG motto at this point."
But I spoke way too soon. I didn't realise they had actually stripped away chunks of what makes these games a joy to be sucked into for hours because they decided to increase what is easily the must meaningless part of any game, CGI cutscenes.
Seem to be under the impression that I only want towns. Far from it. What made FF good was all of it. Including battles, story and towns.
Things like the towns, camps, academies, bases, Story NPCs, sidequests, shops, and all that jazz helped set up a good pace for the game (and the characters), flesh it out and seem bigger than it was as well as the world it was happening in.
FF games, as any fan of the series knows, have always been linear to some degree, so this one continuing that trend is no surprise. It's the fact that they stripped out nearly everything except combat and cutscenes that makes this game "linear" even for a JRPG. If you took out the combat, it'd literally be a B Movie with horrible voice acting and dialogue with nothing missing from the story and you'd have the same experience.
I remember when I heard all about how "linear" the game was. And this is exactly what I said about that on the 21st of Dec on another forum:
"Linear? That means it's bad? Linear is part of the JRPG motto at this point."
But I spoke way too soon. I didn't realise they had actually stripped away chunks of what makes these games a joy to be sucked into for hours because they decided to increase what is easily the must meaningless part of any game, CGI cutscenes.
I have my first edition copy with all the other final fantasy's I could never buy it digitally but its nice to see others who missed out are able to play this classic
I only wish I had the Memory Card space to put it on my psp. Now I have to stick to playing on PS3 or using the disk with my PS2
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It isn't just that 13 is missing towns; it's missing anything to do OTHER than battle, and if that's what they want then redesign the combat to work like GoW or DMC, because the battle system is not that much fun. Libra an enemy the first time you come across them, and just mash X. The crystallus leveling system is linear. I mean yeah, occasionally you can choose to skip a 10HP sphere, but why would you? Without giving the characters defined roles that you could choose later on to specialize into a'la FF10 it defeats the purpose of leveling all together. The board in FF10 meant that there were limited spheres and limited abilities one could procure. In FF13 there are no limited resources just fill out your characters crystals and bam you can be anything.
In 7 the basic battle system wasn't all that was used to get you through the game. Sometimes you had to dress up like a Shin-ra guard; sometimes you had to dress up as a tranny; sometimes you had to pilot a submarine; sometimes you had to snowboard. Chocobo raising and racing were among my favorite things in FF7, and to do this date I don't think any FF game has included the amount of side content that 7 has. Developers really do not respect side content these days. These were the things to do that helped to flesh out a world or universe. I will say though that I loved the FF8 card game. And I might be among the few that actually liked the Junction system. For me it wasn't about the time consuming rounds of sucking magic out of bad dudes, but it was about being able to customize your character. No FF has really given you the ability to customize your party the way the Junction system did. Want to be immune to a status effect? Junction. Want to deal more magic damage? Junction. It was a vastly under-rated system. And I think because of the way FF8's difficulty was implemented it probably has had the most staying power with me over the years. I think the lowest anyone has beaten it is like level 7 or 8 or something. But people don't give credit to amazing game design that allows for that kind of alternative gameplay.
It isn't just that 13 is missing towns; it's missing anything to do OTHER than battle, and if that's what they want then redesign the combat to work like GoW or DMC, because the battle system is not that much fun. Libra an enemy the first time you come across them, and just mash X. The crystallus leveling system is linear. I mean yeah, occasionally you can choose to skip a 10HP sphere, but why would you? Without giving the characters defined roles that you could choose later on to specialize into a'la FF10 it defeats the purpose of leveling all together. The board in FF10 meant that there were limited spheres and limited abilities one could procure. In FF13 there are no limited resources just fill out your characters crystals and bam you can be anything.
In 7 the basic battle system wasn't all that was used to get you through the game. Sometimes you had to dress up like a Shin-ra guard; sometimes you had to dress up as a tranny; sometimes you had to pilot a submarine; sometimes you had to snowboard. Chocobo raising and racing were among my favorite things in FF7, and to do this date I don't think any FF game has included the amount of side content that 7 has. Developers really do not respect side content these days. These were the things to do that helped to flesh out a world or universe. I will say though that I loved the FF8 card game. And I might be among the few that actually liked the Junction system. For me it wasn't about the time consuming rounds of sucking magic out of bad dudes, but it was about being able to customize your character. No FF has really given you the ability to customize your party the way the Junction system did. Want to be immune to a status effect? Junction. Want to deal more magic damage? Junction. It was a vastly under-rated system. And I think because of the way FF8's difficulty was implemented it probably has had the most staying power with me over the years. I think the lowest anyone has beaten it is like level 7 or 8 or something. But people don't give credit to amazing game design that allows for that kind of alternative gameplay.
I'm sure it doesn't hurt that the games are 10 dollars and considered classics, versus other games at full retail price (30-40) that are merely considered good games.
Not exactly what I'd call surprising.
Not exactly what I'd call surprising.
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