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first off I don't care if they remake this game, but what a load of BS. It would take ten times as long really? Even figuring they have all the art, story, design, script all of that done? It seems like all they need to do is make the visuals, I don't get it. So 99.9 percent of game making comes down to the graphics. Can't they use the FF XIII engine?
Square Enix adopted a policy of not making good RPGs shortly after FF IX. An FF VIII remake would technically count as a good RPG, so their hands are kinda tied.
This to me is a huge statement about what's gone wrong with JRPGs. The graphics have to be so pretty these days that they'll cut content till you end up with a 60 hour hallway.
I mean they're basically admitting FF7 had a lot more content than all of their current RPGs. I don't really see that as something to be proud of or keep repeating.
Still... If Advent Children was any indication, I don't want them to touch FF 7.
I mean they're basically admitting FF7 had a lot more content than all of their current RPGs. I don't really see that as something to be proud of or keep repeating.
Still... If Advent Children was any indication, I don't want them to touch FF 7.
It's only an indication that they don't want to remake it.
And that's fine with me. They'll just mess something up anyway. Their time is better spent attempting to make good games. Or at least one's that seem interesting. They havent done that in a long time, at least for me.
And that's fine with me. They'll just mess something up anyway. Their time is better spent attempting to make good games. Or at least one's that seem interesting. They havent done that in a long time, at least for me.
All I can say to that is.....absolute and utter bullshit. If you don't want to remake it fine but 10 times as long?
I can understand this. FF7 has way more diverse environments, and isn't just corridors. If they was making it with the FF13 graphics it would indeed take a lot more time than with FF13.
But I think a FF7 remake with updated graphics should be made. But not like 13, just update the player models, and re-render the pre-rendered backgrounds. That way it would look beautiful, would preserve the gameplay, and development time and budget would be kept to a minimum.
But I think a FF7 remake with updated graphics should be made. But not like 13, just update the player models, and re-render the pre-rendered backgrounds. That way it would look beautiful, would preserve the gameplay, and development time and budget would be kept to a minimum.
The game doesn't need remaking.
And if Square-Enix games do need remaking, Xenogears is way higher than this on the list.
That said, the fact that this game is still being mentioned is pretty telling to me.
And if Square-Enix games do need remaking, Xenogears is way higher than this on the list.
That said, the fact that this game is still being mentioned is pretty telling to me.
"I believed him the first time."
You believed him when he said it would take 14 years to up their polygon count and make HD textures? It doesn't take them nearly that long when they make completely new areas from scratch. He's either bullshitting because either he's lazy, doesn't want to do it, or wants to throw people off the trail for a big reveal later on. I'm guessing the first one, but secretly hoping the third.
You believed him when he said it would take 14 years to up their polygon count and make HD textures? It doesn't take them nearly that long when they make completely new areas from scratch. He's either bullshitting because either he's lazy, doesn't want to do it, or wants to throw people off the trail for a big reveal later on. I'm guessing the first one, but secretly hoping the third.
If this game takes 30-40 years of waiting, it better be the most awesome RPG evar! Anyways... I read about this a couple of days ago. Update faster, darnit!!
Wow and how are we expected to believe this?
Im not that dumb either say you want to do it or just be quiet at this point!
Im not that dumb either say you want to do it or just be quiet at this point!
Here's how you tell people to let it go:
We made the game, and it's great. Play the game as it is. We're not fucking making it again. NOW STOP ASKING.
This BS about the time, and blah blah blah, is a load of crap. It's like a girl playing hard to get; she's got the guy on the hook, and she wants to keep him there to spend money on her without doing anything other than look pretty.
Square is a cocktease, and the runaround is starting to piss me off, because this half-assed way of telling people it's not going to happen isn't going to stop them from asking. Tell them off and be done with it or just remake the fucking game, damn it.
We made the game, and it's great. Play the game as it is. We're not fucking making it again. NOW STOP ASKING.
This BS about the time, and blah blah blah, is a load of crap. It's like a girl playing hard to get; she's got the guy on the hook, and she wants to keep him there to spend money on her without doing anything other than look pretty.
Square is a cocktease, and the runaround is starting to piss me off, because this half-assed way of telling people it's not going to happen isn't going to stop them from asking. Tell them off and be done with it or just remake the fucking game, damn it.
I think its more accurate to say they don't know how to make modern games. If generating the art assets is the biggest problem(most likely) then theirs this awesome thing called outsourcing. Many western devs do it now; god of war 3, uncharted 2 for example. No reason square cant too.
I'm with Aurain on this, the game doesn't need remaking.
Furthermore: Square-Enix should STFU already about this thing. I'm sick and tired of reading about an FFVII remake every other day already. Either make it and keep teasing or just stop talking about it and make a damned good RPG again (unlike XIII).
Furthermore: Square-Enix should STFU already about this thing. I'm sick and tired of reading about an FFVII remake every other day already. Either make it and keep teasing or just stop talking about it and make a damned good RPG again (unlike XIII).
I'm sure "ten times longer" is an exaggeration, but it would certainly take a long time. Practically everything would have to be re-created from scratch. None of the original assets would work with a current generation engine. Plus I doubt Square Enix could afford to put their entire Final Fantasy team to work on a remake, so odds are the team would be smaller than the group that worked on FF7 initially.
Take a standard enemy. They would need a 3-D artist to create a new model based on the old concept, a texture artist to paint a high-res texture, get a technical artist to rig the model for animation, get an animator to create a new set of animations, get a FX artist to art up some particle effects, and get a designer to hook in the original set of AI behaviors.
So multiply that work load against the the hundreds of enemies that were in the game and you have your start. Then you need another team to get cracking on the environments. Midgar itself is massive, and that's only the first 10 hours. Still another team would need to be assigned to the real high-res cinematic work. And then odds are Square would need to justify the remake with some new content like they have with some of the other re-releases, so factor in additional dungeons as well. All told, this would be a massive undertaking if Square wanted to deliver on the visual polish people expect out of a Final Fantasy game.
Take a standard enemy. They would need a 3-D artist to create a new model based on the old concept, a texture artist to paint a high-res texture, get a technical artist to rig the model for animation, get an animator to create a new set of animations, get a FX artist to art up some particle effects, and get a designer to hook in the original set of AI behaviors.
So multiply that work load against the the hundreds of enemies that were in the game and you have your start. Then you need another team to get cracking on the environments. Midgar itself is massive, and that's only the first 10 hours. Still another team would need to be assigned to the real high-res cinematic work. And then odds are Square would need to justify the remake with some new content like they have with some of the other re-releases, so factor in additional dungeons as well. All told, this would be a massive undertaking if Square wanted to deliver on the visual polish people expect out of a Final Fantasy game.
okay, fuck VII.. how about HD remakes of:
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver [fix the bits that went missing too]
Super Metroid [i know its fine already, but HD would be cool]
Vagrant Story [just fucking do it already]
Golden Eye [we all want it secretly]
Deus Ex [that would be nice wouldn't it]
Zone of the Enders and 2nd runner [big, fast, stompy, shooty mechas in HD, come on]
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver [fix the bits that went missing too]
Super Metroid [i know its fine already, but HD would be cool]
Vagrant Story [just fucking do it already]
Golden Eye [we all want it secretly]
Deus Ex [that would be nice wouldn't it]
Zone of the Enders and 2nd runner [big, fast, stompy, shooty mechas in HD, come on]
Maybe he was actually being ironic by saying things that were completely the opposite of what he was thinking? :P
So, you have an existing story, character designs, etc., and what you could call at least a 'preliminary' script; you have musical scores, you have a fair few highly detailed assets already thanks to Advent Children (and hey, even Crisis Core you could work with), and you have a brand-new, complete, current-gen, multi-platform engine that you can employ...
10x as long as starting from scratch? Yeah, okay! ;-)
So, you have an existing story, character designs, etc., and what you could call at least a 'preliminary' script; you have musical scores, you have a fair few highly detailed assets already thanks to Advent Children (and hey, even Crisis Core you could work with), and you have a brand-new, complete, current-gen, multi-platform engine that you can employ...
10x as long as starting from scratch? Yeah, okay! ;-)
I call BS. Ten times longer? All of the systems and writing and design decisions are in place. All they would need to do is update the graphics, which could admittedly take longer than it originally took to create the artwork, but not ten times longer.
I still think they're just lowering expectations so that when they announce it in two weeks it'll be a huge shocker.
At least, that's what I hope, and have hoped for 2 years.
At least, that's what I hope, and have hoped for 2 years.
One phrase - "Man-hours"
Put 20x the people on the job and get it done in half the time the original took.
Put 20x the people on the job and get it done in half the time the original took.
Didn't Square also release an ad for hiring people to work on their new game engine? Had a picture of HD cloud in the middle? I mean, it's obviously nothing, but they really decided to put an HD Cloud when asking for people?
I think they should just admit that they plan on making a remake or shut up, because we've heard this excuse numerous times.
I think they should just admit that they plan on making a remake or shut up, because we've heard this excuse numerous times.
I tend to believe this news. FFVII had a LOT of pre-rendering. Having to turn all of those 2D bit-maps into 3D objects would take for-fucking-ever.
@Sexualchocolate
Man-hour equations are only viable where the activity being managed consists of discrete activities having simple dependencies, such as packaging. Not to mention that if the task itself has some sort of innate timing mechanism, it renders the man-hour moot: One chef roasts a chicken just as fast as two or three.
@Sexualchocolate
Man-hour equations are only viable where the activity being managed consists of discrete activities having simple dependencies, such as packaging. Not to mention that if the task itself has some sort of innate timing mechanism, it renders the man-hour moot: One chef roasts a chicken just as fast as two or three.
Simple question... why does it have to have the production level of FFXIII?
Seriously... FF3 and 4 got remakes that totally updated the visuals, graphics that were built from scratch, but it wasn't to the level of modern day FF's but a more modest update to the DS...
The fans don't NEED a PS3 style remake of FFVII; they'll be happen with just about any bone you can throw them. Frankly, i'd imagine a PSP remake... something more on the level of FFX or of Crisis Core... Considering how many spinoffs and shit that square enix wastes time on, it would be more than possible to create such a remake.
I would also want FFVI to get similar treatment...
Seriously... FF3 and 4 got remakes that totally updated the visuals, graphics that were built from scratch, but it wasn't to the level of modern day FF's but a more modest update to the DS...
The fans don't NEED a PS3 style remake of FFVII; they'll be happen with just about any bone you can throw them. Frankly, i'd imagine a PSP remake... something more on the level of FFX or of Crisis Core... Considering how many spinoffs and shit that square enix wastes time on, it would be more than possible to create such a remake.
I would also want FFVI to get similar treatment...
Square Enix games are good because they take time and care making them.
Farming it out is pointless.
Farming it out is pointless.
He's right, I think. For one thing, the whole story would need to be re-written. As it is now, cutscenes would be REALLY boring. And the writing is a mess in general.
If you don't expect the game to be on graphical par with FF 13, then what's the point of remaking it? You can download a jaggy version that looks just like the DS remakes on PSN.
Give up square.
We'll just keep demanding a Final Fantasy 7 remake until the original stops making our eyes bleed.
I felt something the first time I played FF VII a year ago. I think it was pain. In my eyes. And there is absolutely nothing you can say that will make me stop demanding that your greatest classic of all time be brought to a standard where I can look at it without feeling literal pain. And no one except you idiots at Square actually demands Final Fantasy XIII quality graphics. No one has ever demanded that; in fact, there is no company who has ever delivered graphics at that level, and that wouldn't be expected.
But why isn't there a DS port/remake yet?
We'll just keep demanding a Final Fantasy 7 remake until the original stops making our eyes bleed.
I felt something the first time I played FF VII a year ago. I think it was pain. In my eyes. And there is absolutely nothing you can say that will make me stop demanding that your greatest classic of all time be brought to a standard where I can look at it without feeling literal pain. And no one except you idiots at Square actually demands Final Fantasy XIII quality graphics. No one has ever demanded that; in fact, there is no company who has ever delivered graphics at that level, and that wouldn't be expected.
But why isn't there a DS port/remake yet?
How do these numbers keep changing? First it was 3 years, then it was 5 years, then 13 years, now 40 years? Are their skills deteriorating or something?
Actually, that would explain Final Fantasy XIII.
Actually, that would explain Final Fantasy XIII.
I thought everybody lost interest in this, oh, so many years ago. Apart from a graphical overhaul, what are people really expecting?
On a different note, I downloaded Final Fantasy VIII from the PlayStation Network thingy-ma-bob and put it on my PSP, and I'm enjoying it just the way it is.
On a different note, I downloaded Final Fantasy VIII from the PlayStation Network thingy-ma-bob and put it on my PSP, and I'm enjoying it just the way it is.
How dare you tell me not to spend money on a classic franchise I would love to see remade!
How sad is that when a company refuses to make millions more of an old franchise but with updated visuals and a cleaned up script?
How sad is that when a company refuses to make millions more of an old franchise but with updated visuals and a cleaned up script?
lmao @ everyone taking the 10 X longer thing as a serious figure. it's rare for the usage of such a statement to be anything -but- exaggeration.
If they -did- remake it, they'd be better off going with the look of Crisis Core with -maybe- slightly better graphics. Really, Final Fantasy should have gone this route all along. The realistic look has done nothing but water down the series + make it an extreme pain in the ass to develop for.
Unfortunately, it's really hard to turn around once you're this far down the corridor.
If they -did- remake it, they'd be better off going with the look of Crisis Core with -maybe- slightly better graphics. Really, Final Fantasy should have gone this route all along. The realistic look has done nothing but water down the series + make it an extreme pain in the ass to develop for.
Unfortunately, it's really hard to turn around once you're this far down the corridor.
They should remake FF7 no matter how long it takes. Although I would prefer a FF8 remake, since it's my favorite, I'll take FF7..since FF13 was a complete steaming pile of dog shit. Remaking their games from 9 backwards should be their focus. At least those games were good.
I can't understand why you all want what is literally one of the worst games in the series to be remade.
You're all blinded by nostalgia. (Apart from the music, nearly everything about this game is terrible. The story being the worst offender.)
You're all blinded by nostalgia. (Apart from the music, nearly everything about this game is terrible. The story being the worst offender.)
@Chad Almasy
I agree. They should remake it on PSP. It would look great and be cheaper to produce. Personally I would settle for a decent retranslation of the ps1 game.
I agree. They should remake it on PSP. It would look great and be cheaper to produce. Personally I would settle for a decent retranslation of the ps1 game.
I think the only reason people even want a remake of FF7 is because they still see the game through nostalgia goggles. If you really look into the story it's a total mess and it encompasses everything that is wrong with JRPGs today.
Well this is square telling us so considering how long they take to make a game I believe them. Never-mind that the game is already made and they have an extensive history of remaking FF games. Considering they made a concept video running on the PS3 I don't really think it would have to take too long to make. I imagine if they did remake it they would take forever because of fear of making a great game bad.
meh. . . why all the fuss? When you can play the original on PS3 and PSP?
sort of stupid of you ask me to be whining for a remake when they have provided the original downloadable.
sort of stupid of you ask me to be whining for a remake when they have provided the original downloadable.
I dont care about Final Fantasy one way or another, but this is the stuff Square has already:
-FF7 (minus Graphics)
-A new Graphics Engine
Now try again and explain to me why it would take 30 years to create the remake?
They have everything they need already, they just have to put it together. If Square really wanted to make this, they could propably do it in a year.
-FF7 (minus Graphics)
-A new Graphics Engine
Now try again and explain to me why it would take 30 years to create the remake?
They have everything they need already, they just have to put it together. If Square really wanted to make this, they could propably do it in a year.
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