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I think this series has a lifeline: redo 7 in HD. It will be the best selling game of all time in the history of this company. They know it, we know it. Its just a question of "when".
Agreed. They need to stop raping the corpse of FF7 and maybe start making games that are *gasp* GOOD again.
Meh. It's fun to pretend that everyone is burnt out on Final Fantasy now and all the games are terrible, but it's simply not true. If you're personally so tired of the series (and it sounds like SE, as a whole), it would probably be best to let other members of the D-toid staff play upcoming games to review, preview, and such. Everyone wins! Yay!
I'm so glad I'm not the only one confused and annoyed by the absolutely asinine names they give their games.
As someone with very little JRPG experience, I always thought there was something wrong with me for not "getting" the way SE does things; apparently I'm not as much of an idiot as I had assumed!
PS - Glad to see you still writing editorials on Dtoid. I was worried that with all your Gamefront, GamesRadar, et al work that you'd forgotten about little old us :)
As someone with very little JRPG experience, I always thought there was something wrong with me for not "getting" the way SE does things; apparently I'm not as much of an idiot as I had assumed!
PS - Glad to see you still writing editorials on Dtoid. I was worried that with all your Gamefront, GamesRadar, et al work that you'd forgotten about little old us :)
I agree with you 100%. The FF-milking needs to stop. The only thing FF7 needed was a remake, and Square isn't even doing that. They even tarnished my favorite FF (Final Fantasy IV) by making some stupid sequel to it (Cecil's son, Ceodore *eye roll*).
I wish Capcom would stop jerking off and ruin Square-Enix's shit by releasing a heavily promoted, huge-budgeted Breath of Fire VI. But alas that'll never happen.
I wish Capcom would stop jerking off and ruin Square-Enix's shit by releasing a heavily promoted, huge-budgeted Breath of Fire VI. But alas that'll never happen.
Thanks for putting those thoughts into words, good sir.
And I'm going to be different and say that FFX was my favorite.
And I'm going to be different and say that FFX was my favorite.
I miss PSX Square, when they released exciting, experimental games. And can they please, for the love of god, hire some new artists?
Great write up, Jim. Personally i lost interest invthe series when 12 came out. Tried the demo, didnt enjoy it, borrowed it from friends to try to give it a second chance, still no dice.
I hope squenix starts to take the time to make unique games like those of old, and stop ruining my old favourites. Bastards.
I hope squenix starts to take the time to make unique games like those of old, and stop ruining my old favourites. Bastards.
If I recall, the last final fantasy game I have played was either 12 on PS2 or 9 on PSN. The series itself is an Enron stock rollercoaster going constantly down when it was once king of the block.
But with new and better RPGs releasing, such as the always awesome Dragon Quest series, Arc Rise Fantasia, The Last Story, etc. It feels that Final Fantasy is like McDonalds now. Good if you haven't played it in a while, but excessively playing a new installment will be sickening.
Also, Tales>FF
FF9>all.
But with new and better RPGs releasing, such as the always awesome Dragon Quest series, Arc Rise Fantasia, The Last Story, etc. It feels that Final Fantasy is like McDonalds now. Good if you haven't played it in a while, but excessively playing a new installment will be sickening.
Also, Tales>FF
FF9>all.
Hey, Squeenix? What happened to the Musashi series? Fucking Samurai Legend: Musashi was the boy like. I can haz Musashi 3?
I can see where you're coming from, but I'm just sort of ignoring FF for a while, I think once the move onto 15 with a complete new start and HOPEFULLY a return to the classic games and another good final fantasy game :)
Jim, you have no idea how much I want to be able to tell you you're wrong. I want to be able to call you out and prove you wrong, simply because Final Fantasy is a series that I hold close to my heart.
But I can't. Because you are right; every single word is true. And every time I see a new trailer, all I can do is shake my head in utter sadness and laugh at how utterly stupid it's all becoming.
But I can't. Because you are right; every single word is true. And every time I see a new trailer, all I can do is shake my head in utter sadness and laugh at how utterly stupid it's all becoming.
This article could have easily been written at any time during the last ten years or so, and it still would have been true, Star Wars comparisons and all. Well said, Jim. But I thought all of this was that weird thing that I've heard doesn't really exist called 'common sense.'
@Niero I disagree. I enjoyed VII. But to be honest, remaking it would do nothing. I would look a lot better, but why do we need a remake? They could remake any of the PS1 FFs and ppl would eat it up. But why not just look at what made those games fun and make a new story. FFXV needs to be more of an RPG and not a game where you roam corridors fighting monsters for 30 hours before the game even gets remotely interesting.
I agree with the point that they're pumping FF games out at a ridiculous level recently, but holy shit does this article reek of, and I am very loath to even use these words, butthurt anti-fanboyism.
Even things I disagree with you on are at least generally entertaining to watch/read, but this is just plain boring. I felt like I was reading GameFAQs forums for a minute there. You can do better than this, Jim.
Even things I disagree with you on are at least generally entertaining to watch/read, but this is just plain boring. I felt like I was reading GameFAQs forums for a minute there. You can do better than this, Jim.
Releasing only one, every other year, TOPS, would go a long way of helping my forget the stain of XIII and the flood of hand held games.
I think it's not just FF that's over. I think that Square Enix, as a whole, is pretty much just done.
when people say "the Japanese gaming industry is dying in a cesspool of regurgitation," my mind always drifts immediately to Square Enix.
when people say "the Japanese gaming industry is dying in a cesspool of regurgitation," my mind always drifts immediately to Square Enix.
"two of which are nowhere near to seeing a release."
Type - 0 : Summer 11.
They're oversaturated for sure, but don't evade facts in favour of sensationalism.
Type - 0 : Summer 11.
They're oversaturated for sure, but don't evade facts in favour of sensationalism.
Here's the thing: Square Enix games aren't for you anymore. They're mostly not for me, they're not for anyone who rolls out of bed and clicks on a blog.
The best description of FFXIII was that every character was designed to be someone you could cosplay. And look at those kids in Type-0. That's *extremely* easy to cosplay, and they probably have a couple cool aesthetic things going on with them. That's what they're into. After FFXII failed miserably (in their eyes, not mine; it's one of my favorite games) they said, "Wait. We have six million fans, who will buy EVERY item we release. Who love them. Let's give them what they want. Let's appeal to female gamers who've only played Kingdom Hearts and seen Advent Children."
They'll never remake VII because it will break the mystique. Right now, new fans, if they decide to play VII, will like it because it's old. If they remade it, people would look at it and say, "This game's a bit boring." Not us, but the gothy nerd tweens who love Kingdom Hearts. They need to keep the mystique of VII to sell games. That's what these games are doing: catering to a retarded, mewling fan base, who buy their games unquestionably. That's the business model.
The best description of FFXIII was that every character was designed to be someone you could cosplay. And look at those kids in Type-0. That's *extremely* easy to cosplay, and they probably have a couple cool aesthetic things going on with them. That's what they're into. After FFXII failed miserably (in their eyes, not mine; it's one of my favorite games) they said, "Wait. We have six million fans, who will buy EVERY item we release. Who love them. Let's give them what they want. Let's appeal to female gamers who've only played Kingdom Hearts and seen Advent Children."
They'll never remake VII because it will break the mystique. Right now, new fans, if they decide to play VII, will like it because it's old. If they remade it, people would look at it and say, "This game's a bit boring." Not us, but the gothy nerd tweens who love Kingdom Hearts. They need to keep the mystique of VII to sell games. That's what these games are doing: catering to a retarded, mewling fan base, who buy their games unquestionably. That's the business model.
@Epic I completely agree. Final Fantasy IX was the best game in the series. I think the reason ppl hate on FFVII is not because its bad, but all the FFVII elitist shit on every other FF game. They continue to cry about remakes, but the moment someone recommends another game get remade, they shit on that persons opinion. I don't think a remake would do square justice. They need to get their head out of their ass and focus on 1 damn game.
From FFWikia:
'As of 2010, fourteen games have been released as part of the main (numbered) series, and twenty-eight games in total, including spin-offs and sequels, have been released in the franchise. It currently ranks as the second-best selling RPG series ever, and the sixth-best selling video game series in the world. '
Note this number doesn't count ports, remakes, and...uh...whatever else that'd skew that. 28 seems awfully low, but what do I know? I just want another Einhander or Threads of Fate or other non-FF game they put out during the PS1 era. I'd ask for another Musashi, but they've...what have they done to him? Another World Ends With You is something I've seen a lot of people call for, but who knows if that'll ever happen.
@Niero:
Yeah, FF7r would potentially save the company, but the fervor of FF7 fans has died down a good bit, and the reason they say it'll take ten years to make is because they need that many years to connect all of the Compilation of FF7 plot to it. :P But no, I really think they will do it (eventually) but there's no way in hell it'll be a simple remake. They're going to have to foreshadow and callback and all this crap to events that didn't happen in the game. And then Japan will have a Final Mix edition with even more crap crammed into the game that the west gets screwed out of blah blah blah.
'As of 2010, fourteen games have been released as part of the main (numbered) series, and twenty-eight games in total, including spin-offs and sequels, have been released in the franchise. It currently ranks as the second-best selling RPG series ever, and the sixth-best selling video game series in the world. '
Note this number doesn't count ports, remakes, and...uh...whatever else that'd skew that. 28 seems awfully low, but what do I know? I just want another Einhander or Threads of Fate or other non-FF game they put out during the PS1 era. I'd ask for another Musashi, but they've...what have they done to him? Another World Ends With You is something I've seen a lot of people call for, but who knows if that'll ever happen.
@Niero:
Yeah, FF7r would potentially save the company, but the fervor of FF7 fans has died down a good bit, and the reason they say it'll take ten years to make is because they need that many years to connect all of the Compilation of FF7 plot to it. :P But no, I really think they will do it (eventually) but there's no way in hell it'll be a simple remake. They're going to have to foreshadow and callback and all this crap to events that didn't happen in the game. And then Japan will have a Final Mix edition with even more crap crammed into the game that the west gets screwed out of blah blah blah.
That was some very good writing there, Sir Sterling. I couldn't agree more. Back in the pre-internet days, when information was scarce (specially for someone not living in US / Europe / Japan), whenever I saw a new Final Fantasy installment, it was a confirmed purchase. Even if I didn't know shit about the game. But I knew it was going to be EPIC.
Nowadays, the excitement is gone. I still play them, but I rate them just as "good". God of War III had a much deeper impact on me than FF XIII. I only wish Square would treat her best franchise like Nintendo treats hers.
I miss you, Squaresoft.
Nowadays, the excitement is gone. I still play them, but I rate them just as "good". God of War III had a much deeper impact on me than FF XIII. I only wish Square would treat her best franchise like Nintendo treats hers.
I miss you, Squaresoft.
I have felt, that sadly Final Fantasy just cannot fit into the current video game model. Games, have to have DLC and easy to make sequels. Final Fantasy has never been like that. If you stand on the grounds, that the current video game model is simply companies grasping for more profit, or that it is simply the only way to turn a profit. FF just will never fit into that box. SquareEnix is trying very hard to make FF fit into the new video game business model.
But seriously, I think the saddest thing about it is that all this shit Square is pulling with the franchise is a huge hit in Japan. They actually like the direction the series has taken.
Final Fantasy used to be the one of the most solid ties between the "East & West" markets. The franchise was living, breathing proof that game developers could bridge that gap without making compromises. How ironic that now the series is an example of the complete opposite; of how catering too much to one market can leave you stranded without a paddle in the other.
Final Fantasy used to be the one of the most solid ties between the "East & West" markets. The franchise was living, breathing proof that game developers could bridge that gap without making compromises. How ironic that now the series is an example of the complete opposite; of how catering too much to one market can leave you stranded without a paddle in the other.
"complete...global...saturation"
anyway, tight now i'm trying to play through FFX for the first time, and i'm already feeling quite bored. But it has it's moments, as does FFXII which i, strangely, like very much (despite "star wars ripoff" story). With FFXIII i wasn't interested from the first trailer. Not because of the setting, as you've also pointed out, but because of the feel of "i saw it before AND it's a bad thing". Sometimes "i saw it before" is an okay or even a good thing, but here it wasn't.
And now, with a shitload of games bearing FF name, i really can't care anymore. It seems, that Squenix don't even try to do what they did before - doing something familiar but in a new way. They pretend to, but it doesn't feel the same.
anyway, tight now i'm trying to play through FFX for the first time, and i'm already feeling quite bored. But it has it's moments, as does FFXII which i, strangely, like very much (despite "star wars ripoff" story). With FFXIII i wasn't interested from the first trailer. Not because of the setting, as you've also pointed out, but because of the feel of "i saw it before AND it's a bad thing". Sometimes "i saw it before" is an okay or even a good thing, but here it wasn't.
And now, with a shitload of games bearing FF name, i really can't care anymore. It seems, that Squenix don't even try to do what they did before - doing something familiar but in a new way. They pretend to, but it doesn't feel the same.
Some of this I agree with, and some of this I disagree with. I know they kind of messed up Final Fantasy 7 with all the lame remakes, but one of the big things they need to do is just remake it overall. Keep it turn-based but give it better graphics; and don't change the story at all. That's a dream game, Final Fantasy 7 was a masterpiece. Now it's getting to the new Final Fantasy games and it's always the same game with new characters and a whole new story. That's why some people like Final Fantasy, and that's why it's called Final Fantasy. It gives you new characters and then the story and then you get to see the characters "Final Fantasy." And Final Fantasy has changed a lot. Final Fantasy 7 was more in the slum-like setting, and then Final Fantasy 13 is an all out futuristic war.
Totally disagree with ya Sterling, and more so when you talk crap about Birth By Sleep, it was a way better entry than 358/2 days or Recoded
I just try to ignore the spin-offs/sequels/whatfuckingever and only play numbered, main series games. XIII was a half-decent game, but not a good Final Fantasy game, in my opinion.
You know what though? If FFVI got the DS remake treatment like IV did, I would probably pre-order that shit, and I never pre-order games.
You know what though? If FFVI got the DS remake treatment like IV did, I would probably pre-order that shit, and I never pre-order games.
Yeah, I miss the good old days. They're just the same anymore. The thing is, I can't really be sure that this is due to quality of the games or just my ever-evolving tastes in gaming......
I guess you could say that I've kind of lost hope in the Final Fantasy series. I have no idea what SE wants to accomplish nowadays, all I know is that its not that I can stand behind much longer. I know already I'm going to buy 13-2, Versus because I seem to be a glutton for punishment but I'm almost to the point where I'm about to write off the series completely. Its people like me that are allowing Square to continue doing what its doing....
One of the things that keeps me from writing of the company all together are games like The World Ends with You. I want more games like that one. Pleeeeeaaase SquareEnix?
One of the things that keeps me from writing of the company all together are games like The World Ends with You. I want more games like that one. Pleeeeeaaase SquareEnix?
I agree with you Jim. I just can't muster the energy to give a shit about Final Fantasy anymore. I never played XII. XIII was pretty damn terrible, and now it has like three different spin-off-sequel-prequels? Not for me, thanks.
The only part of the Final Fantasy series I still care about is Final Fantasy Tactics. I enjoyed Tactics Advance and A-2. Squenix needs to either remake VII or make A-3. Then I'll care.
The only part of the Final Fantasy series I still care about is Final Fantasy Tactics. I enjoyed Tactics Advance and A-2. Squenix needs to either remake VII or make A-3. Then I'll care.
The names are pretty ridiculous, that's for sure. But I'm going to say that I like all these Final Fantasy games. (Most likely in the 1% minority here on Dtoid as everyone seems to agree with the staff on most things) But, only because I have very low standards when it comes to games. Not sure why... I enjoyed Shadow the Hedgehog when it was released, not even thinking about how broken everyone seemed to think it was.
I also enjoyed XIII pretty well, and that seems to be the complete opposite of everyone I see here on the internet. Actually, I feel as if the internet is what makes seem so awful, more than they may be, for me at least.
I also enjoyed XIII pretty well, and that seems to be the complete opposite of everyone I see here on the internet. Actually, I feel as if the internet is what makes seem so awful, more than they may be, for me at least.
@Niero
I don't think it will even play the same as a remake. If it's just the same game with high resolution backgrounds and models (like several mods for FFVII on PC), then it's cool, but i don't think it will be popular enough, since you can buy a simple FFVII verion and a lot of people will whine about how it's the same.
And if you do it as more of a remake, updated to today standards - i don't think the game will be better with fully 3D locations, full Voice acting and other things people will ask for.
I don't think it will even play the same as a remake. If it's just the same game with high resolution backgrounds and models (like several mods for FFVII on PC), then it's cool, but i don't think it will be popular enough, since you can buy a simple FFVII verion and a lot of people will whine about how it's the same.
And if you do it as more of a remake, updated to today standards - i don't think the game will be better with fully 3D locations, full Voice acting and other things people will ask for.
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