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A crying shame. Guess I'll wait for the "FINAL FANTASY DIMENSIONS COMPLETE COLLECTION" or whatever to hit the Vita or DS sometime in the next couple of years.
Square Enix are fucking idiots when it comes to mobile releases. Over £10 for Final Fantasy 3 on android, Final Fantasy 1 having always-online DRM... It's these prices that drive people to piracy, and it's no wonder why.
$6.99 each..? Then that means buying it separately is less expensive.. might wanna check your math, Jim.
Me about a year ago: "Damn I love having an iphone. Holy clams, Phantasy Star 2 and Shining Force are both on the app store for less than $3 each? SOLD. I wonder if the old Final Fantasy games are there too.......oh. To hell with that idea, then."
Well, considering that Theatrythm was 40 bucks it's not that bad.
but that's not really an excuse. All portable games should be much MUCH cheaper than what they are now. Regardless of platform or distribution service.
but that's not really an excuse. All portable games should be much MUCH cheaper than what they are now. Regardless of platform or distribution service.
I really used to love square.... but these days I really think they are overestimating their clout. Simply being a Square/FF game isn't enough to get me to part with my money anymore and certainly insufficient to warrant paying a premium.
A lot of JP devs have a bad sense of proportion when it comes to pricing mobile titles internationally versus in the Japanese market. Another example is Falcom's remake of Sorcerian. This remixed PC Engine/MegaDrive game also costs $28.99.
Imo in terms of phone games they should not go above $5. Maybe $10 for premium / high quality games but that should be most.
FF1 on android is 1/3 price of ff3 on android btw lol.
FF1 on android is 1/3 price of ff3 on android btw lol.
WOW. At this rate, I expect the rumored TWEWY iOS port to be as much a new DS game, and announce that the next Kingdom Hearts game will be on iOS as well. It will cost $40, and will be a botched port of 365/2 days.
@Ursu Don't you mean the DRM for Final Fantasy 7 on PC? Or am I missing something?
@Ursu Don't you mean the DRM for Final Fantasy 7 on PC? Or am I missing something?
And hence why I stopped giving Square any money years ago. I was tired of their greed. It's funny, because the things they do are often times MORE greedy than, say, EA or Activision, yet they aren't yet looked upon by gamers as such. They are though, very greedy indeed.
I added them to my "Do Not Buy" list a couple of years ago. I only ever add a publisher or developer to that list if they continue doing some real despicable things. You don't get added to the list if you simply release a game I don't like. No, in order to make it on my "Do Not Buy" list, you have to do some pretty nasty stuff that takes advantage of honest people through manipulative business practices.
So far, my list reads as follows in the order the were added...
-Electronic Arts, for lying constantly about almost everything. Online Passes, DLC, telling people they will be getting free games, and then backing out of the deal without telling anyone.
-Activision, for pricing their CoD DLC greedily because they can, for flooding the market for short term gain, for shutting down studios for making successful games that didn't pull in CoD numbers, for witholding money from Infinty Wards employees who already earned it in an attempt to blackmail them, and for completely botching the chances of one of the best studios in the business, Raven.
-THQ, for starting the whole Online Pass business, lying about why they were doing it and what they were for from the very beginning, and then giving up on lying about it when they were proven wrong more times than I can count, and for releasing Saints Row 3 which asked I pay a full $60 for, but was about a quarter as long as the previous in the series, with 80% of the single player missions just side missions disguised as story missions, and then releasing the rest of the game as DLC.
-Sega, for breaking my heart so many times, it actually broke through to my soul and began sucking that dry as well.
-Square Enix, for doing all of the above, and then some.
I added them to my "Do Not Buy" list a couple of years ago. I only ever add a publisher or developer to that list if they continue doing some real despicable things. You don't get added to the list if you simply release a game I don't like. No, in order to make it on my "Do Not Buy" list, you have to do some pretty nasty stuff that takes advantage of honest people through manipulative business practices.
So far, my list reads as follows in the order the were added...
-Electronic Arts, for lying constantly about almost everything. Online Passes, DLC, telling people they will be getting free games, and then backing out of the deal without telling anyone.
-Activision, for pricing their CoD DLC greedily because they can, for flooding the market for short term gain, for shutting down studios for making successful games that didn't pull in CoD numbers, for witholding money from Infinty Wards employees who already earned it in an attempt to blackmail them, and for completely botching the chances of one of the best studios in the business, Raven.
-THQ, for starting the whole Online Pass business, lying about why they were doing it and what they were for from the very beginning, and then giving up on lying about it when they were proven wrong more times than I can count, and for releasing Saints Row 3 which asked I pay a full $60 for, but was about a quarter as long as the previous in the series, with 80% of the single player missions just side missions disguised as story missions, and then releasing the rest of the game as DLC.
-Sega, for breaking my heart so many times, it actually broke through to my soul and began sucking that dry as well.
-Square Enix, for doing all of the above, and then some.
$30?
What a STEAL!
I have yet to spend more then $2 on an iOS game. I think I have spent $4 in total over the past 3 years.
What a STEAL!
I have yet to spend more then $2 on an iOS game. I think I have spent $4 in total over the past 3 years.
Are people REALLY this cheap? $30 dollars for an RPG that probably has a ton of gameplay. Then again, this is iOS, where the majority of the garbage isnt even worth the dollar you pay for it so Im not surprised when quality comes to it, people dont really know what to do.
My biggest problem is; what the fuck is up with that ugly, generic white font? Ew.
I actually think Square have balls for doing this. I mean they're not going to sell, at all, but maybe then they'll actually do it for 3DS/Vita instead, where people are more used to bigger prices. If I'm mad at Square for anything, it's the rumoured TWEWY port. What the fuck??
I actually think Square have balls for doing this. I mean they're not going to sell, at all, but maybe then they'll actually do it for 3DS/Vita instead, where people are more used to bigger prices. If I'm mad at Square for anything, it's the rumoured TWEWY port. What the fuck??
My biggest problem is; what the fuck is up with that ugly, generic white font? Ew.
I actually think Square have balls for doing this. I mean they're not going to sell, at all, but maybe then they'll actually do it for 3DS/Vita instead, where people are more used to bigger prices. If I'm mad at Square for anything, it's the rumoured TWEWY port. What the fuck??
I actually think Square have balls for doing this. I mean they're not going to sell, at all, but maybe then they'll actually do it for 3DS/Vita instead, where people are more used to bigger prices. If I'm mad at Square for anything, it's the rumoured TWEWY port. What the fuck??
I am sad I didn't know about the port of Tactics not being the same on the iPad versus on the iPod. It's unplayable on my iPod Touch because it does everything too fast.
I am annoyed I spent money on that BS.
I am annoyed I spent money on that BS.
@Shaun: It's really not about cheapness. I'm happy to drop full price for a new title at retail if it's something I'm interested in, and I'm sure most Destructoid readers are too. The issue here is that Square is participating in a market by presenting a product that is comparable to other products yet charging exponentially more for theirs.
Yes, this new FF probably has a ton of gameplay as you said, and yes, there are tons of shovelware titles on the app store, but there are also plenty of excellent titles providing tons of gameplay that won't run you anywhere near as much.
I adore the old FF games, and am interested in playing this, but I and other consumers are not being cheap when we refuse to buy a product at an unrealistic price in the hopes that the developer decides to play by the same rules the other developers are.
Yes, this new FF probably has a ton of gameplay as you said, and yes, there are tons of shovelware titles on the app store, but there are also plenty of excellent titles providing tons of gameplay that won't run you anywhere near as much.
I adore the old FF games, and am interested in playing this, but I and other consumers are not being cheap when we refuse to buy a product at an unrealistic price in the hopes that the developer decides to play by the same rules the other developers are.
I hate to be that guy but if we are paying $30 for 3DS and PSP games, what is stopping them from charging the same price for an iPhone or iPad game? There is one thing we need to look at here before we start piling the shit on. Is it a high quality on par with their PSP and DS offerings? I mean the ipad IS technically a powerful piece of equipment in its own right.
I was actually looking forward to this. But not at that price. It's money better spent elsewhere. I can pick up FFXIII-2 for $20.
To be fair, I know nothing about the game and I have not researched anything about it. I remember people flocking out to by the dated Chrono Trigger remake as well as the umpteenth FFIV remake for more than $30.
I think the mistakes go far beyond the price. I've only seen this one screenshot, but judging from it, they seem to have no idea why FF is so dear. The fact that they stripped the classic look completely undoes everything FF IMO. These graphics are pretty terrible. (a$$ dragon aside) They fleshed out the sprites to such a degree that they fail to even have similarity to the classic look. I'm not saying give me classic NES sprites, but can you honestly tell me that you find these units and UI aesthetically pleasing? If you saw this image randomly on the net, would you believe it was a genuine SE screenshot?
And using what looks to be just under 50% of the screen for UI? Lazy. All this tells me is that they didn't take this serious at all. They probably gave it to the interns as hazing...
And using what looks to be just under 50% of the screen for UI? Lazy. All this tells me is that they didn't take this serious at all. They probably gave it to the interns as hazing...
I bought Chrono Trigger for iOS for $9.99.
It wasnt awful but it did teach me everything i need to be aware of before considering buying any other similar games off of iOS.
This, however, i will not be touching.
It wasnt awful but it did teach me everything i need to be aware of before considering buying any other similar games off of iOS.
This, however, i will not be touching.
@ponderingslot
It has nothing to do with that at all. ANYTIME there is a game even inching close to $15 people start getting in a an uproar. Why? Because the majority of games on the iOS are utter trash and not worth that price. I can play a FF game and pay $20 or more on the iOS and have tons of gameplay and feel like I actually did something with my time. Not get Angry Birds or something of the like and have a ton of gameplay and feel like I just wasted hours without gaining anything from the experience.
It has nothing to do with that at all. ANYTIME there is a game even inching close to $15 people start getting in a an uproar. Why? Because the majority of games on the iOS are utter trash and not worth that price. I can play a FF game and pay $20 or more on the iOS and have tons of gameplay and feel like I actually did something with my time. Not get Angry Birds or something of the like and have a ton of gameplay and feel like I just wasted hours without gaining anything from the experience.
I'm sorry but both the iOS and Android platforms are inferior gaming devices to handhelds and consoles. Simply because they have one type of input, touch screen. That only works for cheap casual/crap games that no one will care about. I know the ipad and Android tablets are powerful devices but they just aren't built for gaming in mind. Honestly who comes back from work and just plays phone games on their sofa?
Considering how long your average JRPG is, I would never finish it. I refuse to spend more than half-an-hour with a device with crap controls. This is why the FF3 remake for PSP will be better than the smartphone/tablet version. Hell even the Ouya version of FF3 will be better. Both the PSP and Ouya are much better pieces of hardware, they might not be as powerful as an iPAD but they have one thing that a tablet doesn't. A controller. And yes there are controller extensions for the iphone/ipad but you have to pay extra for that. And not all games support those gamepads.
I'm just saying Square Enix, $30 for a game on hardware that caters towards casual gaming isn't smart. When your average price is $5, and you're charging $30, something is wrong.
Considering how long your average JRPG is, I would never finish it. I refuse to spend more than half-an-hour with a device with crap controls. This is why the FF3 remake for PSP will be better than the smartphone/tablet version. Hell even the Ouya version of FF3 will be better. Both the PSP and Ouya are much better pieces of hardware, they might not be as powerful as an iPAD but they have one thing that a tablet doesn't. A controller. And yes there are controller extensions for the iphone/ipad but you have to pay extra for that. And not all games support those gamepads.
I'm just saying Square Enix, $30 for a game on hardware that caters towards casual gaming isn't smart. When your average price is $5, and you're charging $30, something is wrong.
This is one of those weird clashes between mobile gaming and portable console gaming. I gladly paid the full asking price for FFIV and Chrono Trigger on the DS, and played both for months. If this title provided a similar quality and longevity, I'd say the cost is right.
But it's being released in an environment where people are not used to paying more than a few bucks. Square would have been wiser to release this on a portable console.
But it's being released in an environment where people are not used to paying more than a few bucks. Square would have been wiser to release this on a portable console.
@Ursa
Not to justify the price, but people would have pirated this if the whole thing was 99 cents. Some people will just pirate because they can. The price sucks, but at the very least the prologue is free. Which probably doesn't matter to me because I have a Kindle Fire and I doubt this will be release on it. (Dang?)
Not to justify the price, but people would have pirated this if the whole thing was 99 cents. Some people will just pirate because they can. The price sucks, but at the very least the prologue is free. Which probably doesn't matter to me because I have a Kindle Fire and I doubt this will be release on it. (Dang?)
The high level of piracy/ease of piracy and the fact that the actual people who buy shit on iTunes are mostly boy scouts/white knights/"good people"(whatever they call themselves) Square should know better than giving anything such a ridiculous price tag.
Sixteen dollars for final fantasy tactics felt like a total ripoff. I seriously felt guilty for only paying that much to play the best final fantasy game ever on the bus in my phone.
Personally, when I want a specific franchise, nothing else will do. If I have the money, I'll buy it. If I don't, I won't. I feel the difference between the luminary games and their knockoffs on iOS. Good on the people that like the one dollar games, but that doesn't make me an idiot for not minding a higher price for my favorite things.
I gotta say, even after listening to this week's Podtoid, I still abhor this mindset of "WHY WOULD I EVER GET THIS WHEN I CAN GET SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR A BUCK ON IOS?" In my experience, one dollar price tag has translated to one minute, sometimes 10 seconds, of fun. I've bought many, many "similar experiences" to Mario/Zelda/FF/whatever on iOS, and haven't done jack shit with them. The charm isn't fully there, the controls are floaty, the dialogue isn't engaging at all (oftentimes due to shit translations) etc, etc.
If I feel like Mario/Zelda/FF/etc, then I'll take it at a premium over over the one-dollar alternative any day. I'm not an idiot for it any more than the collector who blows 200 for a highly detailed, truly remarkable statue. Everything is worth a lot to someone.
I gotta say, even after listening to this week's Podtoid, I still abhor this mindset of "WHY WOULD I EVER GET THIS WHEN I CAN GET SOMETHING SIMILAR FOR A BUCK ON IOS?" In my experience, one dollar price tag has translated to one minute, sometimes 10 seconds, of fun. I've bought many, many "similar experiences" to Mario/Zelda/FF/whatever on iOS, and haven't done jack shit with them. The charm isn't fully there, the controls are floaty, the dialogue isn't engaging at all (oftentimes due to shit translations) etc, etc.
If I feel like Mario/Zelda/FF/etc, then I'll take it at a premium over over the one-dollar alternative any day. I'm not an idiot for it any more than the collector who blows 200 for a highly detailed, truly remarkable statue. Everything is worth a lot to someone.
I have no idea what this game is about so I can't comment on quality, but Jim makes it sound as though it's automatically not worth $30 just because it's on iOS. Would the very same game be worth $30 on 3DS?
It's hard to see how mobile is going to become an alternative for core games (let alone "the future") if people expect Skyrim to cost $0,99 on it because MOBILE!
It's hard to see how mobile is going to become an alternative for core games (let alone "the future") if people expect Skyrim to cost $0,99 on it because MOBILE!
"costing at least $28.99 when it comes to iOS."
I was going to say that was a funky price till I read it was episodic and was broken up.. then reading that your first taste is $3 and every helping after is $7, made me cringe.
Also, Wasn't FFT around $25 when it first came to iOS? I seem to remmeber it being more then $16 (again, a weird number)
I don't think Square does this because they think the FF name means they can get away with it, I genuinely think they believe that the platform doesn't matter, that all their games deserve to be priced this way.
I was going to say that was a funky price till I read it was episodic and was broken up.. then reading that your first taste is $3 and every helping after is $7, made me cringe.
Also, Wasn't FFT around $25 when it first came to iOS? I seem to remmeber it being more then $16 (again, a weird number)
I don't think Square does this because they think the FF name means they can get away with it, I genuinely think they believe that the platform doesn't matter, that all their games deserve to be priced this way.
Um nope. Looking at the gameplay videos of this game reveal NOTHING special. There's plenty of RPG's already on iOS that look to be much higher quality that are much cheaper. Heck, S-E themselves have released cheaper games that look better IE. Chaos Rings.
S-E's name doesn't hold the same weight as it used to. They no longer shit gold. I'm not paying $30 for a fucking 2 year old japanese cellphone port that looks like it was made by a fan artist.
S-E's name doesn't hold the same weight as it used to. They no longer shit gold. I'm not paying $30 for a fucking 2 year old japanese cellphone port that looks like it was made by a fan artist.
"from the nineties"? Those magazines still exist. Well, not The Ancestral Trail, but many others. I think the one that's being advertised most right now is another one about crystals and gemstones. Y'know. £1.99 for the first issue with a stone that may or may not be a ruby, £10.99 for following issues with various other pieces of worthless stone painted different colours.
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