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Robert Summa as....THE FLAMER!!

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I liked the GameCube. I'd say the main problem with it is that it just didn't have the games or online ability that could have maybe pushed it over the top.

Honestly, the PS2 killed it because it had better games overall. Right?

Snaileb, stop spamming with this stuff, seriously.

oooooh snap!

Oh crap, now I see where this post was coming, All Nintendo fanboys will come and say, "Nintendo is perfect as it is", although they would obviously buy the Wii 2 the second it hits shelves and buy one as a spare too, while anyone with a less fanboyee mentality, will obviously say "of course!"

Nice work summa!

Developers dont care that much for the Wii and are focusing their efforts on next gen consoels , go to www.gamasutra.com and check on that please. So what you get is exactly what you have now, lots of consoles, no games, since only Nintendo is making worthwhile games for it (and not all of them, mind you) is exactly what happened with the gamecube

Also every Analysts and their pets, predict the PS3 is going to be the winner in the next gen race by 2009, maybe even before since the price drop is coming earlier than expected. (blu ray price has already dropped)

SPAM.


Fucking cry and delete my FOUR posts, if it bothers you, seriously.

Well I am not saying Wii is going to be the winner..just saying that I have have heard a lot of developers buzzing about the Wii and working on games.

And I believe we have covered the intial "launch a system, wait awhile for the games to come on" shock that has even plagued the 360, PS3 and PS2.

Hasn't it been discovered that analysts are pointless and can't always be trusted ? I mean the price drop issue, has there been any confirmation?

@Summa

to some people, Nintendo already appeals to them. hmmm

"@Summa

to some people, Nintendo already appeals to them. hmmm"

True. But you can't deny they are alienating a substantial group of gamers by not having a robust online system and "next-gen" features (high-end graphx and sound).

I'm just asking if you guys think the sacrifice is worth it, in the long run.

Yes graphic whores are being alienated and right now online players are being alienated. But hopefully soon the online group will be satisfied with games like Mario Strikers, Smash Brawl and other future online gmaes.

How many gamers have HD tv's and what not?

WELL IT WAS FUN! BYE!

Why does Reggie look like the sorta person you really don't want getting close to your kids?

The Wii has certainly alienated me from wanting one. It's a combination of the laggy motion-controls, weak graphics, and poor software (outside of kiddy platformers which really don't do anything for me anymore).

That being said, I'm glad it exists because it's recruiting gamers. I just hope Sony and MS don't switch gears due to the Wii's success.

Oh come on people!

No matter how much you try to defend Nintendo's current "thinking" you would buy a true Next Gen Nintendo system the second it shows up.

That makes you all hypocrites and you know it.

kthxbye!

I don't need online to enjoy a damn game. I didn't it 15yrs ago... don't need it now. And like I said before... graphic whores witht he cash to dish out for an all out HD experience can go right ahead. The Wii is perfect for me.. as is the 360. The game can fit to anyone if their willing to except the fact that it's a different experience all together and not a killer app every damn game.

Give it time and watch Ninteno sort out the small nooks and crannies.

Jesus, everyone is missing the point. This is NOT about hardware or technology. This is about marketing. Period.

I'm going to write a long post on this over the next day or so, because I don't think anyone really gets it.

"Do you want your old Nintendo back? Do you want that company that provided the best gameplay experiences with the best technology they could give at the time? Quite simply, is Nintendo alienating their core audience with the Wii? "

What?

Old Nintendo?

Best Technology?

What Nintendo is this you speak of? Is it the Nintendo of the N64 that gave us the best, most high-tech cartridge technology or the Nintendo of the Gamecube that gave us the best Online technology? Maybe it was the NIntendo of the gameboy that gave us superb and realistic graphics on a handheld!? HA!

Are you crazy? (don't bother, I know the answer) We finally GOT the old nintendo back! With N64 and cube, Nintendo stupidly listened to gamers like you and tried to win the graphics battles for 2 generations and look what it got them. Last fucking place. The NES and SNES were NOT the graphical power houses of the day. The gameboy was not a graphical power house. Back in those days, they only cared about the games and doing something fun and interesting. If feel like that Nintendo has been gone for a while. Maybe it's because I'm an older gamer and I see the changes in N64 and Cube generations that led to many problems. Get back to the old school nintendo thank you very much. They are doing that with the DS and Wii in spades. I love it.

As far as core audience, I feel like they are finally listening to us, the nintendo core audience rather than listening to people like Robert Summa. No offense Robert, but if you are Nintendos core audience I would shoot myself.

Nick...Nintendo is focusing marketing on new gamers to get new people cause they know gamers know about their 1st party titles and don't need to advertise to them directly cause they feel confident (cocky?) enough that they can sell their franchise hits cause they are well known.

Granted the commercials will show the new games and franchise games but they are more geared towards non-gamers.

I just don't think we know just yet. Zelda is certainly more of a "hardcore" game that appeals to Nintendo's original audience. Some of Miyamoto's recent comments regarding Zelda's "poor" sales in Japan could indicate a change in focus for Nintendo's games to even more "casual" fare. If after Mario, MP3, and Brawl come out the good "hardcore" or "base" Nintendo games start to dry up, then this is probably why. At that point, I certainly will miss the old Nintendo.

-Jeff
http://alinktothefuture.com

Nintendo seems to be marketing to everyone besides the real gamers. Real gamers want one because they are in "the know"; not because Nintendo is marketing at them.

Does this make me feel alienated? No. But, the Wii has alienated itself from my living room because "the best gameplay experiences with the best technology they could give at the time" are missing.

"Real gamers?" Are you serious. What constitutes a "real gamer". That's as ridiculous as the phrase "hardcore gamer". They have plenty of "real games" in the pipeline for all those people that wan to spend more than 30 mins on a quick Wii Tennis rally. Nintendo are not *focusing* on "real gamers". They are trying to spread the gaming wings a little. Yeah sure, a few people maybe alienated, but with every generation who isn't. I remember my Mum used to love games. She played the SNES more than me. I could never get a look in. The 64-era onwards aliented her, along with many others I'm sure. Nintendo pulled through in the end. Now they are going back there. Back to the people who made Nintendo in the 80's.

By your definition Nintendo ARE marketing towards "real gamers". Nintendo generally *do* show game footage in their adverts. But they are *also* focusing on the people that genrally don't play games. Or the people that used to play games before 3D-era. There are people that played Nintendo years ago that were alienated with the N64. These are also the people being attracted back to gaming.

Yay for me. I got it...