9:13 AM on 05.09.2007
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Speaking with CNet, Nintendo of America President Reggie Fils-Aime further clarifies the company line that has been pushed by Nintendo since the announcement and launch of their "new generation" console, the Wii. We all know it by heart now: The Wii is a casual system meant to have the ability to appeal to the masses, not just Nintendo's or the video game market's core audience. Here's a bit of the philosophy Fils-Aime says is behind the Wii: ... First, how do you satisfy the core while still expanding appeal? And second, how do you leverage your strengths against entirely untapped audiences--to the so-called "blue oceans" in popular marketing speak?
The answer by Fils-Aime and Nintendo? Provide a new product that actually underperforms on an established industry metric for "progress," and substitute an alternative that typically is smaller, less expensive and easier to use.
And the result is: It is purposely so simple and intuitive that anyone in a household can use it. It also incorporates functions like a photo browser, an Internet browser, and custom news and weather channels, which lead some people to wonder what these elements have to do with video games.
In all honesty, this begs the question: Do you want your old Nintendo back? Do you want that company that provided the best gameplay experiences with the best technology they could give at the time? Quite simply, is Nintendo alienating their core audience with the Wii? [Via Next-Gen]
|
|
| |
I don't even know who's Nintendo has as their core audience anymore. Is it the "hardcore" gamers or just the recreational players.
I think that Nintendo is going in a different direction and it is paying off bigtime. I have been a nintendo fan since the NES first came out. They still are giving me the games I want (first party titles) and the increased third party support can only create a library of better games. I love the VC (yet it is a tad overpriced), but I don't want the old nintendo back, I like the new one. On another note, I also plan on purchasing a 360 so I can experience the best of both worlds. I get the nintendo greatness I have loved since birth and the graphical powerhouse like the 360. Long live the Wii60. Plus I am not supporting the gaming "juggernaut" that is Sony.
Yes, I want my NES back, Yes, Nintendo is alienating their core audience with the Wii and, it's good to see Summa making more Nintendo posts.
Flame war in....3....2....1.. GO!
The only thing I remember about the old Nintendo is that Goldeneye only came out for the N64, and what an Eye it was.
Summa said: Do you want your old Nintendo back? Do you want that company that provided the best gameplay experiences with the best technology they could give at the time?
Yes! While I enjoy my DS, the Wii has largely disappointed. I even loved the purple lunchbox. It pretty much matched Xbox in terms of visuals, and had great first party games, a couple of which are close to best games ever (Prime, Celda, etc etc). It really sucks when I think what could have happened with Metroid Prime 3 if it was made on a high-end machine.
I understand why Nintendo has done it though. Being an exclusive gaming company they would have struggled to compete with the juggernauts in terms of copping losses. It makes me ponder next gen however. Can Nintendo do something innovative again?
In all honesty, this begs the question: Do you want your old Nintendo back? Do you want that company that provided the best gameplay experiences with the best technology they could give at the time? Quite simply, is Nintendo alienating their core audience with the Wii?
1. No, they are the same, and their IPs are just as strong as ever. The DS is kicking ass, and it sucked at first too. We've only really seen zelda from nintendo on the wii and that is a gamecube game. we haven't even seen their main IPs
2. No, because they are the same company.
3. No, they are creating a bigger audience.
Summa, as a pony, do you have any other tricks? or do you just have the one, biting weiners?
NEXT
I dunno, I've never considered Nintendo to be "about" the forefront of technology for technology's sake. Look at the original gameboy. A year out of the gate, there were about 3 different systems that offered compelling cutting edge technology. Color screens, TV Tuners, ability to play a home game system on a portable device. But 4 years down the road, they all belly up, and Nintendo is still successfully pushing its 4 shades of pea green wondermachine. Then, after all the hype has settled down, they start to release color versions of their gameboy at a pricepoint that's reasonable to the market at that time.
To me, they're still running the same game they did from the start. I don't need Mario to battle hundreds of on-screen situational thinking koopa troopas in hi res hdmi. Nintendo knows that Koopa Troopas are inherently dumb and Nintendo knows that I haven't bought a high def TV yet. They're not making me get one to enjoy their games, which I kind of appreciate.
Is it possible to make a distinction between hardcore gamers and status symbol penis gamers? They're still two different things, right?
Nintendo is doing their (new) thing and they are doing well from it. It does indeed look like they are capitalising on the so called 'white space'. Good on them.
As a gamer though I feel increasingly alienated by them. I will be reserving final judgement until we see some of the more 'hardcore' games on the Wii though. If they can pull off Metroid, Mario and Zelda, Smash Bros (and maybe throw in some good new stuff) then Reggie Donkey Kong Fils Aime can claim that they have straddled the core/casual divide. Until then I'm not sold on their new direction.
Also, Bushido Blade Wii. Where is it?
@ Bahamut : Weiner biter? You're South Park humor ammuses me! Clever.
As a Nintendo fan I could probalby say Yes the initial games and launch games partly alienated fanboys of old Nintendo but I feel as new games come along and developers get a FULL grasp on the controls, Old Nintendo fans will be welcomed.
I think that was very big of me to say that publicly! haha
I think... we're being greedy here. Nintendo is a company we grew up with, and, because of that we want to see them do more, especially for us. Then they go and do this (Wii). So should we , the hardcore audience be pissed? Hell yeah. But they're expanding to a whole new market, the younger generation, also the casual gamer.
So I say it's their turn. 20 years from now when the people playing the Wii are in our shoes playing hardcore games, we will thank Nintendo for breeding a new generation of gamers.
I can't wait for 4 or 5 years when the next-gen Nintendo comes out..perfected Wiimote controls with HD screen, probably more advanced waggle motion...mmmmmm, but I am satisfied with my Wii.
I'm secretly a little disappointed that the Wii hasn't failed tbh. I'd love to see Nintendo realise their full potential as software developers, and I just don't see that happening while they have to produce hardware as well.
They need to do a Sega (:
nope, im fine thanks
Yeah, I'll say that I haven't gotten a glut of hardcore goodness out of my Wii. But we're still in year 1: Everything beyond the inital BANG tends to suck in year 1. Like previous posters, I'm also looking forward to core franchise games (Metroid and Galaxy especially) to show a little more solid application for Wii-tech to modern game archtypes.
"Do you want that company that provided the best gameplay experiences with the best technology they could give at the time?"
has nintendo ever had the most powerful system for any generation?
nintendo < sega master system
super nintendo < Sega Genesis
nintendo 64 < playstation and saturn
gamecube < ps2 or xbox
wii< ps3 or 360
they typically win by games not tech in my opinion. it's still too early to say that they won't win on games this time around as well. i mean, it has a huge install base for just coming out, it's priced to sell, and development is cheaper
granted it will always be my "other" system but they still have one sitting in my house if i play it or not that they made a profit on the second i bought it.
"They need to do a Sega"
Because that's worked out GREAT for Sega amirite?
boy i wish we could edit comments...
"super nintendo < Sega Genesis
nintendo 64 < playstation and saturn
gamecube < ps2"
lol wut
OK let's revisit 1996 and a playground argument, ghost rider:
SNES was WAY more powerful than the genesis - it had a true 16bit color palette (genesis swapped out two palettes) and a better processor capable of handling more sprites. so what if it had a little slowdown, it's because devs were pushing the system and it had fancy FX chips and "Mode 7" graphics. the genesis had a made-up "blast processing" dohickey.
gamecube also had 10x the cpu/graphics card capabilities of the PS2.
Game aren't all about a visual orgasm of colors and definition. The games on the Wii are actually fun to play and easy to pick up on. I can play Super Paper Mario for hours and still find it enojoyable. You get your money's worth.
The Big N are still working out the kinks to a new system. Fuggin' get off your high horse and enjoy the game for what they are and not what they COULD be.
Only strong start for the next gen systems was the 360. And with the price of a PS3 I can pay for a semester at school. So I got my money's worth with the Wii. Just give it time.
@ghostrider:
your argument makes perfect sense, except for the fact that in the last two generations they started losing severe amounts of market share and that ps2 < gamecube < xbox. those two facts are sort of setting them up for failure in the long run, no? is it possible for them to turn around two failing console generations in one?
i don't know if any one has the answer for that, but i think it may take one or two wii-like systems from nintendo to retain it's top spot again. that will give sony enough time to shoot itself in it's foot over and over again and microsoft will STILL be waiting to make a system with wifi and motion control. THEN nintendo will be the winner. until then... not sure... haha
@lowercaseluke
That is just dumb, if Nintendo didn't do hardware, video games would become somewhat stagnant. Nintendo has been one the one that has been making innovations and making it the best they can be for systems.
Analog Stick, Rumble Pack, Wireless, Touch Screen, and now Motion Sensing....all originally/perfected by Nintendo.
Nintendo are innovators, that is just fact.
No, it's so much more important for them to make the easiest most accessible games possible so my mom or grandma can pick it up occasionally and have a good time and feel like they are doing really well...
Rather than make awesome, in depth games for core gamers.
Oh wait do I need to put /sarcasm at the end there?
I'll stop being a smartass, honestly, I just think they need to pump out some damn games for it. There's room for both types.
@Bahamut_Zero
The SNES was generally a better all around system to be sure, but what it DIDN'T have was a faster processor. The Genesis had a 7.6MHz Yamaha YM2612 processor while the SNES used a Nintendo manufactured chip that had a maximum clock speed of 3.58MHz. "Blast-processing" was certainly a marketing ploy to try and convey the fact that the Genesis was superior, but that doesn't mean that the idea behind it was entirely made up.
Compare some crossplatform games like Earthworm Jim or TMNT: Turtles in Time to TMNT: The Hyperstone Heist and you'll see much better animations in the Genesis versions than in the SNES versions for this reason. Although on an overall sense, the SNES was superior because it had a greater color pallete, it had Mode-7, a superior sound chip, and it could do some neat tricks like sprite scaling.
You I just got the Star Wars game for GameCube Rebel Assault 3 Rogue Squadron 3 or something...the one with the co-op. with the 480p (same goes with Burnout2) it looks REALLY REALLY nice! Nicer than most PS2 480p games I have played.
mmmm
i think the 'hardcore gamers' abandoned nintendo.
i know i did. after the N64, and honestly didn't feel like i was missing out on much. the exclusives i got on my sony and ms consoles more than made up for missing the latest zelda or mario game.
the wii was different enough to bring me back, and i bought my first piece of nintendo hardware since 1996. i like it, its exactly what i wanted. fun for when you have company over.
whats suprising me the most, is how much i'm enjoying titles on the wii that i usually wouldn't waste my time on (godfather, blackahnd edition is fucking awsome).
bam!
@ghostrider
has nintendo ever had the most powerful system for any generation?
nintendo < sega master system
super nintendo < Sega Genesis
nintendo 64 < playstation and saturn
gamecube < ps2 or xbox
wii< ps3 or 360
I'm pretty sure the 64 was a hell of a lot more powerful than the orginal Playstation and the Gamecube was definitely more powerful than the PS2. Didn't make them a runaway success though. More powerful doesn't always guarantee you the top spot. In fact, for the past couple of generations at least, it seems the weakest console has ended up the eventual winner. The reason is not because of superior games or prettier graphics. It usually boils down to marketing, and the Wii has been whored out in that respect. So you never know, the Wii may end up the eventual winner.
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE!
"Do hardcore gamers actually want and will expend a extra $100 in an actual Next Gen version of the Wii, instead of the crappy gamecube they've got now?!"
The ANSWER will probably shock you!
"YOU CAN BET YOUR SWEET, SWEET ASS! REGGIE!"
Blindside NO!
"Analog Stick, Rumble Pack, Wireless, Touch Screen, and now Motion Sensing....all originally/perfected by Nintendo."
I wouldn't say perfected. Seriously that makes you sound like a.... (the F word)
Just to let you know Summa, Nintendo has never been very successful when they have more powerful hardware. The NES was basically the same hardware as teh Atari 2600, which was released 6 years previously, with some added RAM. The Gameboy, the best selling video game system every created, was much less powerful than anything else that was released in the handheld market over the next 5 years and yet it id dominated the handheld without even trying.
The N64 was unarguably way more powerful than the Sony Play Station. I mean, the Play Station was just supposed to be an add-on to the SNES, but Nintendo decided against it. Ken Kutaragi pushed to have teh system released as a stand alone. Sony went ahead with it. The actual Play Station is pretty much all the same hardware that was supposed to be in the attachment itself. It was teh last generation hardware, and it sold like fucking made. Sony destroyed Nintendo that round. And the gamecube was considerably more powerful than the PS2 as well but that didn't do anything for them.
If you look at history, it will predict that Nintendo is going to have the majority of the market share, and there is a good chance that Sony is going to never get anywhere with the PS3. You need to think sometimes, Summa.
Galagabug: Most hardcore gamers abandoned Nintendo due to the format wars, the N64 used a cartridge which was more expensive and held less information that a CD, with the Gamecube they used a mini dvd which held less information than a DVD. Plus they came with the great idea "Online multiplayer is for wussies"
Also it was TOO DAMN OBVIOUS the Gamecube was aimed at children. The size, the mini dvd, the controller.
IF Nintendo could pull a Console aimed at everyone with next gen tech, free online access and a Wiimote, the current Wii success would pale in comparison.
Nintendo isn't alienating us. They are forcefully making us try new things, and that is good. The gaming industry was growing very stagnant. They will still give us enough throwback games to work our nostalgia.
Quite simply I cannot afford to buy into this new HD era yet, and I won't be able to afford that for at least another year. The Wii is affordable and different, and renders enough realism for me to be quite happy. And where it fails to the monster consoles in terms of realistic quality it makes up for it in artistic design.
Nintendo made the right move for where the market is at right now. I appreciate Sony and Microsoft for pushing HD content forward, but I don't think it's a feature that the average consumer demands right now. In a few years at the end of the lifespan for these consoles, we'll see if that's still the case. But for now they wouldn't be continuously sold out if this strategy weren't working.
@Azrael
"Also it was TOO DAMN OBVIOUS the Gamecube was aimed at children. The size, the mini dvd, the controller."
The Gamecube was probably Nintendo's most accomadating system. They had something for everyone, not just children. And the controller was probably the best of it's generation, arguably. Regardless of the format they used they still pumped out some tremendous games that didn;t seem to suffer at all.
The reason it, and I use other people's words, "flopped" was due to te lack of marketing Nintendo used. It was Nintendo's least marketed console, I for one cannot remember a single advert, and it showed in sales figures.
Snaileb
That is why I said originally and you know next gen Wii will be perfected.
And I say perfected cause people wil lsay Microsoft had computer joysticks similar but I don't believe they were as popular as what Nintendo has made.
Anybody else want some flame-bait???
@Dan Gale
I saw a Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles trailer in the movie theater.
Wireless and motion sensing are far from perfected, and grated the rumble pack was awesome, I would say Sony perfected it by leaving the rumble IN the controller, instead of a big bulky 2 double A battery sized rock.
I'm not gonna disagree, but I wouldn't agree either.
Summa is getting addicted to the subtle Wii ranting -- oh wait -- he's already hooked.
@BlindsideDork
Really?!? Still wasn't marketed properly though!
Namelessted: If you look at history Nintendo will hold most of the market share.
What? what history are you talking about? Sony has been outselling Nintendo since the PS1 actually thats the reason why Sony is so damn overconfident with the PS3, they know at the end they won. Even though the PS2 (and the PS1) had a lot of initial problems.
And No you can compare the DS to the Wii handhelds and consoles go to different markets, if they were the Wii would be selling millions of units each month in Japan and you can clearly see, its not. (actually Zelda:twilight princess sales were less than stellar there)
Nintendo painted themselves in a corner with the Wii, they made a system anyone can afford and want, but that developers wont accept, simply because the result is of much less quality than is next gen consoles due to low Spec restraints. (and the resources the Wiimote handler needs)
hence ORIGINALLY/PERFECTED, haha
About wireless...before the Wavebird, wireless gaming was unheard of and thought of as unreliable.
Motion Sensing is not perfected yet but just wait 4-5 years.
@Dan Gale
Definitely not...I just remember seeing it and hearing a bunch of college HS aged kids booing it.
@Azrael, sorry. Bad wording on my behalf. I was saying that if you look at trends over the last 20 years, then Nintendo would be predicted as the "victor" for this new generation of consoles.
The Wii has all the ingredients for success, and the PS3 has all of the ingredients for failure.
@Azrael
They aren't selling millions in Japan of Wii cause they can't make enough systems to keep on the shelf (much like the DS).
And what is this about developers won't accept their system? That is why most (with excepts like with Factor 5) developers love the Wii and are REALLY excited to make games for it like EA, Ubisoft and other developers.
Where do you get your facts?
Nintendo shouldn't aim to please everyone. By aiming to please the people who value innovation over graphic progression, they're not just taking market share from Microsoft and Sony -- they're actually drawing new people into the market share, and by expanding the market that way they are setting themselves up to sell more software across a more broad spectrum of gamers.
As far as Nintendo's original "core" audience goes, that core audience changed during the N64 and Gamecube eras in a negative way. If it changes again with the Wii, I think it will be in a positive way for the people playing the system.
And if there are people who just don't like it or don't want to play it because it's different, then Nintendo doesn't have to worry about those people. They'll always be there, but I guess they're not the target audience here. There's Sony and Microsoft to appeal to the biased hardcore traditional gamers.
Returning Dtoiders: login now to post a comment
Destructoid is an open discussion community. You don't need to "audition" to post a comment - just Create an avatar now - it's fast and free: PLUS you also get your own gaming blog and begin posting stories and uploading videos in our open community area that may also appear on our home page. Sign up and we'll guide you through it, it's easy and 100% anonymous.