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@ Stealth
But how did you decide to chose what game to make a good profit on then?
Talking about that, i see some people in Brazil making something like that, but using the Steam to buy Bordelands for 75% discount and sell later after the steam offer ends but only raising a litle high.
Well, i think this method is more to players who donīt want the game to a collection (because digital derp derp) and donīt make to much money for game, but in your case, Stealth, you can make a high profit in these aimed to collector sales, if i am right.
But how did you decide to chose what game to make a good profit on then?
Talking about that, i see some people in Brazil making something like that, but using the Steam to buy Bordelands for 75% discount and sell later after the steam offer ends but only raising a litle high.
Well, i think this method is more to players who donīt want the game to a collection (because digital derp derp) and donīt make to much money for game, but in your case, Stealth, you can make a high profit in these aimed to collector sales, if i am right.
@luiz
Many things ie initial price, shipment amount of the game, time, ect
Not every game is worth more 5, 10 years later but a good portion are.
Believe me, Ive seen what happens when the market gets flooded with a secondary edition
Remember how hard ico was to find before sony released the collectors bundle?
A used edition, with no art, or manual could fetch 40-60. A new around 100
Now its about 10 for used, and 20 for new. The market for that game crashed
For me its a concern. But like others have said konami is stupid for 2 reasons
1) They dont care about rpgs as much as they should
2) they dont care about suikoden as much as theyshould
Many things ie initial price, shipment amount of the game, time, ect
Not every game is worth more 5, 10 years later but a good portion are.
Believe me, Ive seen what happens when the market gets flooded with a secondary edition
Remember how hard ico was to find before sony released the collectors bundle?
A used edition, with no art, or manual could fetch 40-60. A new around 100
Now its about 10 for used, and 20 for new. The market for that game crashed
For me its a concern. But like others have said konami is stupid for 2 reasons
1) They dont care about rpgs as much as they should
2) they dont care about suikoden as much as theyshould
@ Stealth My copy of Suikoden II was stolen a few years back, and that is one of the reason we started the SRM, because I do not have enough money to replace it.
Also, we need help with creating puns for group activities, we are down to "Call-In Canadian Thanksgiving." Any ideas, folks? //Ryan
Also, we need help with creating puns for group activities, we are down to "Call-In Canadian Thanksgiving." Any ideas, folks? //Ryan
@29
your the only kind of person i do feel bad for. Those who want the game, but just dont have the money to pay for the rare value price
your the only kind of person i do feel bad for. Those who want the game, but just dont have the money to pay for the rare value price
I bought S2 for $19 at Zellers in like grade 8 beat it and sold it for $20 to a buddy.
I am sad.
I no longer sell games that I beat, I will only sell games that absolutely suck balls.
I am sad.
I no longer sell games that I beat, I will only sell games that absolutely suck balls.
Stealth, I understand selling suikoden and other games allowed you win some money.
But, I do think even if they get suikoden II on PSN, I dont think the game is going to have less value. There will be always collectors, like me, maybe stupid maybe just too nerd, who will continue buying your stuff, because for playing suikoden in ps1 or ps2 is as easy as downloading it for ps or psp, and a lot of people buy original but play with copies.
And even if you have your reasons, which I understand, please, try to think in the future of the franchise if you enjoyed the games. Suikoden in psn means old fans can play it again and it means new fans who didnt have the choice can play it, too, so there is a chance there will be more suikoden fans. I know its a very very very little chance. But its better than nothing.
Sorry for my bad english :3
Oh, and Im very very happy about destructoid talking about this movement!
But, I do think even if they get suikoden II on PSN, I dont think the game is going to have less value. There will be always collectors, like me, maybe stupid maybe just too nerd, who will continue buying your stuff, because for playing suikoden in ps1 or ps2 is as easy as downloading it for ps or psp, and a lot of people buy original but play with copies.
And even if you have your reasons, which I understand, please, try to think in the future of the franchise if you enjoyed the games. Suikoden in psn means old fans can play it again and it means new fans who didnt have the choice can play it, too, so there is a chance there will be more suikoden fans. I know its a very very very little chance. But its better than nothing.
Sorry for my bad english :3
Oh, and Im very very happy about destructoid talking about this movement!
I support this, Suikoden and Suikoden 2 are fucking incredible games that nobody ever talks about. Both are not to be missed! If they were on PSN people could easily get them and Konami makes money, even if the guys who actually made the game, don't.
@Tomo
I am the guy running the auction twirling my mustache ( fake)
@marina
it will. Ive been doing it too long and have seen it happen to many times before.
And like I said. Is it fact its better not on psn? no. But its what I prefer
I am the guy running the auction twirling my mustache ( fake)
@marina
it will. Ive been doing it too long and have seen it happen to many times before.
And like I said. Is it fact its better not on psn? no. But its what I prefer
Alrightalrightalright, I got this copy of Final Fantasy III mint in box and through a printing error back when this shit had just come out Ru Paul's actual driver's license was sealed in with the game. So you get a mint, sealed copy of Final Fantasy III and Ru Paul's driver's license. Bidding starts at $125.
^ thats funny because I have a gears of war III with cliff's pubic hair included
since he retired that pubic hair must be worth millions
since he retired that pubic hair must be worth millions
@29 Rooks:
Petitions like yours and the rest of your ilk are harming the industry more than they're doing good. Sure, these petitions have positive intentions, but they all rush toward short-term gains. You get one game now, but then the process inevitably repeats itself when the community decides it wants another. And it's surprisingly easy for a big company to turn completely ignore a small section of their customer base like yours. These petitions always are, and if they are listened to, it's because the company felt like throwing you a bone. If they really cared enough about your demands, you wouldn't need to communicate to the company what they should be spending their resources localizing at the expense of their largest demographics. I feel that the energy spent on petitioning for single games should be spent reforming the localization process so they won't be necessary, but people are too selfish and short-sighted to realize there's a bigger picture than the trendy Japan-only RPG of the month.
Petitions like yours and the rest of your ilk are harming the industry more than they're doing good. Sure, these petitions have positive intentions, but they all rush toward short-term gains. You get one game now, but then the process inevitably repeats itself when the community decides it wants another. And it's surprisingly easy for a big company to turn completely ignore a small section of their customer base like yours. These petitions always are, and if they are listened to, it's because the company felt like throwing you a bone. If they really cared enough about your demands, you wouldn't need to communicate to the company what they should be spending their resources localizing at the expense of their largest demographics. I feel that the energy spent on petitioning for single games should be spent reforming the localization process so they won't be necessary, but people are too selfish and short-sighted to realize there's a bigger picture than the trendy Japan-only RPG of the month.
dont get me wrong
I am not saying BAH this game sucks, it should never be dd because dd sucks or anything like that
I am not saying BAH this game sucks, it should never be dd because dd sucks or anything like that
@Excel-2011 Sure, changing the localization business model is indeed important, but do not say that we harm anything, and please do not use words like "ilk," to describe us, or indeed, anyone else.
Actually, I have done extensive research into the current state and business models of the industry for this movement, and it is simply ridiculous to say that we have any negative effect on the industry when they themselves are the ones responsible for the current state of the industry.
If you want further examples, you can check out some of the results of my research at the SRM, under our "documents". To be as blunt as possible: The industry is in a state of flux, and its current business models are unsustainable, not to mention leading to questionable artistic decisions. Suikoden stands as an example of solid artistic and design philosophy, which can be used to help reform these practices. So, please do not accuse us of being short-sighted.
Actually, I have done extensive research into the current state and business models of the industry for this movement, and it is simply ridiculous to say that we have any negative effect on the industry when they themselves are the ones responsible for the current state of the industry.
If you want further examples, you can check out some of the results of my research at the SRM, under our "documents". To be as blunt as possible: The industry is in a state of flux, and its current business models are unsustainable, not to mention leading to questionable artistic decisions. Suikoden stands as an example of solid artistic and design philosophy, which can be used to help reform these practices. So, please do not accuse us of being short-sighted.
You guys realize you could just play these on emulators, right? I mean, sure it's slightly illegal, but its not like buying a used copy is any different. Except with emulators you aren't paying $200 to Stealth.
^ I dont believe in the theft of games.
Remember, My first copy. I had to buy it too. And I dont regret that
Remember, My first copy. I had to buy it too. And I dont regret that
@DreamingDarlyRobin
Yes, we do realize that. But, that is illegal, and our movement is about far more than just being able to play Suikoden II, though that is a large part of it.
The fans of the series believe that the games are unique examples of superior artistry in video games, which is why we are still so dedicated to the series. With the current, lackluster state of the RPG, and indeed the industry as a whole, there is much that can be learned about design philosophy in these games. Suikoden was one of the prime influences on Warren Spector when he created System Shock and Deus Ex, and I believe the games are well-respected among other figures in the industry.
By reviving the series, we hope to improve the state of the industry as a whole. So, playing Suikoden II on an emulator is actually counter to our goal.
Yes, we do realize that. But, that is illegal, and our movement is about far more than just being able to play Suikoden II, though that is a large part of it.
The fans of the series believe that the games are unique examples of superior artistry in video games, which is why we are still so dedicated to the series. With the current, lackluster state of the RPG, and indeed the industry as a whole, there is much that can be learned about design philosophy in these games. Suikoden was one of the prime influences on Warren Spector when he created System Shock and Deus Ex, and I believe the games are well-respected among other figures in the industry.
By reviving the series, we hope to improve the state of the industry as a whole. So, playing Suikoden II on an emulator is actually counter to our goal.
I am a member of the group. I am actually facebook friends with the guy who started the whole thing!
I am a HUGE Suikoden fan, Suikoden being my favorite game series and games of all time. I even have a Suikoden forum myself! There is just not one thing I don't like about all of the games and I really want to see more games! But not the spin offs, I didn't mind Tierkreis but it's replay value is not very good as I cannot play it too long or I get bored.
But, I really want to see a true sequel with a new rune, new characters.
I cannot begin to think of not seeing another Suikoden, I just love it so much!
I'd also like to see a female heroine for a change and some gay characters would be great too!
It's really great to see fans come together though! I've tried that with Kya Dark Lineage, one of my other favorite games, but it's such an unknown game that no one is very motivated to help out... =_="
I am a HUGE Suikoden fan, Suikoden being my favorite game series and games of all time. I even have a Suikoden forum myself! There is just not one thing I don't like about all of the games and I really want to see more games! But not the spin offs, I didn't mind Tierkreis but it's replay value is not very good as I cannot play it too long or I get bored.
But, I really want to see a true sequel with a new rune, new characters.
I cannot begin to think of not seeing another Suikoden, I just love it so much!
I'd also like to see a female heroine for a change and some gay characters would be great too!
It's really great to see fans come together though! I've tried that with Kya Dark Lineage, one of my other favorite games, but it's such an unknown game that no one is very motivated to help out... =_="
But selling a used copy is profiting off of someone else's work? Downloading a rom isn't much different from that. You're downloading someones used copy for $0.
Why dont people campaign for someone to make a good JRPG again. The tales guys are doing it still and Ni no kuni looks like a boss. But that is it. What happened to Lost oddysey devs?
@bammy
more good jrpgs are coming out than ever
Mistwalker made 6+ rpgs this gen. They can take an rpg brake for a sec.
more good jrpgs are coming out than ever
Mistwalker made 6+ rpgs this gen. They can take an rpg brake for a sec.
@Bammy J, we are lobbying for a Suikoden VI as well. You can check out our goals on the Facebook page.
I understand supply and demand and all that... but seriously video games were meant to be enjoyed, not to just sit dust somewhere and keep in a mint condition box... Why they need to get Suikoden II to the rest of the world somehow, on the PSN as a PSone classic, bring the PSP port over for all I care!
http://kotaku.com/5947861/its-time-for-japanese-developers-to-stop-hoarding-their-rpgs
My sentiments exactly.
My sentiments exactly.
Problem people have is that JRPGS don't get as much promotion as they use to, meaning you really only hear about mainly FPS games...mainly COD or BF3, Some over Western RPG or action adventure game... which this is either a Mass Effect game or Assassins Creed game now... You rarely hear about JRPGS, but they are out there and are really good.
@Kyousuke Nanbu
It could be worse.
Here in my town, there is some shops with videgamezzz to Xbox and PS3, but they cost only 15 reais (something like 8 or 5 dollars), why so cheap? pirated copies selling like legit copys to people who donīt khow how online works, i couldīt find any legit copy of any game (a legit copy would cost 200 reais or 150), in some cases, the game have a warming telling about this game only works to dashboard update 5.5 something like that.
They only dowload a torrent, print the DVD and sell and make a profit with that.
Even in online! like this:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-435891681-dark-souls-prepare-to-die-edition-frete-gratis-_JM
And for comparison this is a really legit thing:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-439296834-dark-souls-prepare-to-die-edition-pc-original-e-lacrado-_JM
It could be worse.
Here in my town, there is some shops with videgamezzz to Xbox and PS3, but they cost only 15 reais (something like 8 or 5 dollars), why so cheap? pirated copies selling like legit copys to people who donīt khow how online works, i couldīt find any legit copy of any game (a legit copy would cost 200 reais or 150), in some cases, the game have a warming telling about this game only works to dashboard update 5.5 something like that.
They only dowload a torrent, print the DVD and sell and make a profit with that.
Even in online! like this:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-435891681-dark-souls-prepare-to-die-edition-frete-gratis-_JM
And for comparison this is a really legit thing:
http://produto.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-439296834-dark-souls-prepare-to-die-edition-pc-original-e-lacrado-_JM
A little awesome facebook group I know called Mission Atelier helped these guys out a bit. Give em a look.
Well good luck to them. Hopefully anything they bring won't be tampered with like the Silent Hill HD abominations. Personally I'd actually prefer a Contra or Castlevania collection... as well as the return of Mystical Ninja Goemon!!!
I dropped a ton of cash on Suikoden II just to get a copy. I could very well have pirated it if I just wanted the "game", but I wanted that physical copy.
Still, I'd be more than content to buy a digital copy so I could keep the physical copy tucked away, safe and unscratched, in its case. :p
Still, I'd be more than content to buy a digital copy so I could keep the physical copy tucked away, safe and unscratched, in its case. :p
^ you seriously are one of the most transparent trolls Ive seen in awhile
1) The game industry is going to hell whether or not used games are sold. If your such an idiot that you think I am the root of used game sales talk to gamestop who makes about a billion a quarter on it.
2) Way to be a moron and not understand the difference between an rpg and a puzzle game.
Seriously bravo.
Get a clue then I might address you again
1) The game industry is going to hell whether or not used games are sold. If your such an idiot that you think I am the root of used game sales talk to gamestop who makes about a billion a quarter on it.
2) Way to be a moron and not understand the difference between an rpg and a puzzle game.
Seriously bravo.
Get a clue then I might address you again
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