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This is the same shit Capcom pulled with Resident Evil 5. They're charging you for patches. Not DLC. Or did they forget that DLC stands for Downloadable CONTENT, not Downloadable Text File.
The annoying part is that people will pay for it. Despite it being uncool to admit it, I like Halo. However I couldn't support this no matter how much I wanted it.
Yeah, I don't understand what people don't get about that. It's not like they added character models, maps, textures, music, or anything that actually takes up a ton of space. It's rules, people.
Can still be an unlock idiot, whos the say the space on the Xbox360 wasn't so limited that they had to put some new networking code down or anything else that would normally come with a PC or PS3 product.
@Dexter345 People are pissed because file size shows how much work they actually did to charge. I mean 1/6 the cost for 1/100 of the effort? Doesn't make sense to me.
oh, so the DLC wasn't on the disc so it gets to be 10 bucks?
No, sir. No. Microsoft has corrupted your mind. The red pill may help, but perhaps not. It's risky. There is still time to save yourself. There is still time.
No, sir. No. Microsoft has corrupted your mind. The red pill may help, but perhaps not. It's risky. There is still time to save yourself. There is still time.
@Volomon: I wasn't aware we measure how much work somebody puts into something (or quality, for that matter) by file size now. Hang on while I make a 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 pixel BMP, entirely fuchsia. It'll be huge! I could charge tons for it.
Well the price still obviously sucks but the dev makes a good point. Code is very small, it takes a huge amount of code to take up a lot of space. What usually takes up so much space is all the supporting media files. Things like textures and sound files can be horrendous in comparison.
For a good example of just how much space textures take up, try out the entirely procedural (generated on the fly) game kkrieger. The entire game is 96 kilobytes! That's becuase the entire games content is created on the fly, textures sounds and all (and it looks pretty darn good for 96k my friends).
http://www.theprodukkt.com/kkrieger
For a good example of just how much space textures take up, try out the entirely procedural (generated on the fly) game kkrieger. The entire game is 96 kilobytes! That's becuase the entire games content is created on the fly, textures sounds and all (and it looks pretty darn good for 96k my friends).
http://www.theprodukkt.com/kkrieger
@Dexter345 I think most of us know the difference between a high rez texture and a huge blank BMP. That's just common sense for the rest of us Dexter.
If two people make a game and they are the same genre. We know it takes more people, work, effort and money to fill more discs. When you have a 2mb project that was probably 5 people. Ya there is a difference.
If two people make a game and they are the same genre. We know it takes more people, work, effort and money to fill more discs. When you have a 2mb project that was probably 5 people. Ya there is a difference.
Dex, wasn't IdSoftware working on something like that, touting it as the next big thing in graphics. Until progressive rendering came along and was able to do the same in a fraction of the size. And more on point... if you want the new rule set, buy it. If not, don't. If you're really worried about being bled dry by a developer/publisher, perhaps Halo isn't the franchise for you. But there are plenty of people who view this as $10 well spent, and THEY will fund further 'DLC'.
Oh and if you can't/don't want to try and play the game, just watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VqzjafwCNA
Yes, that entire game is 96k!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VqzjafwCNA
Yes, that entire game is 96k!
I don't care if it's on the disc or not, 10 dollars is too much for three new modes and a couple of maps.
Think of how popular Halo 3 would be if "rules" were DLC along with maps:
Team Rockets: 100 points
MLG: 300 points (because you need to prove your 1337ness by paying)
Low Gravity: 500 points ("We needed a lot of prep code to make this mode possible")
Team Rockets: 100 points
MLG: 300 points (because you need to prove your 1337ness by paying)
Low Gravity: 500 points ("We needed a lot of prep code to make this mode possible")
also lets not forget that in Halo 3 you can modify the "rules" and make your own gameplay modes. but just cant share them freely online and only with friends. still I dont see why halo wars devs decided to skip that alltogether and make it so you have to pay for the rule changes when they could have coded it in.
Maybe the option to make your own rules will be DLC in the future.
"Oh yeah, you can make your own rules now like in halo 3. 10 bucks to do it btw"
Maybe the option to make your own rules will be DLC in the future.
"Oh yeah, you can make your own rules now like in halo 3. 10 bucks to do it btw"
Guys, you can't make an assumption on the work that has gone into a DLC based on its size. Programming is programming, and executable sizes may be very small. If ppl continue to be like that, they'll just put junk stuff into the dlc (lorem ipsum style) so it looks big enough to satisfy people.
For what it is worth, it might have taken hundreds of hours of playtesting and tweaking to get those rules to work..
Still, it could have been free.
For what it is worth, it might have taken hundreds of hours of playtesting and tweaking to get those rules to work..
Still, it could have been free.
Please, someone explain to me: what's the difference between DLC which unlocks stuff already on the disc and stripping content from a completed game and releasing it later as DLC? Is the second option less of a rip-off (or less questionable anyway)? I really don't think so.
I would like to remind people that .kkrieger is only 96k in file size, which shows how much you can do with so little. 2 megs of text is actually pretty big.
Are you really getting cheated because you have to pay for extras? Some DLC tactics disgust me (Five dollar Vader/yoda, I'm glaring at you), but to lump everything with that is pretty harsh. Nuts to people bashing companies wanting make money. Heaven forbid they do that.
Are you really getting cheated because you have to pay for extras? Some DLC tactics disgust me (Five dollar Vader/yoda, I'm glaring at you), but to lump everything with that is pretty harsh. Nuts to people bashing companies wanting make money. Heaven forbid they do that.
Sigh.
Unlock: Data that is already on disk but unacessible due to code restrictions, you download an authentication code to gain access to content. e.g Dath Vader in SC4 (on disk but inaccessible).
DLC : new content unavailable on the orignal disk. E.g a new Map, a new avatar or other new game-data.
In this case the DLC was some scripts and possibly an image or two meaning the size was small - doesnt mean it can be an unlock because it was never on the original disk image.
Unlock: Data that is already on disk but unacessible due to code restrictions, you download an authentication code to gain access to content. e.g Dath Vader in SC4 (on disk but inaccessible).
DLC : new content unavailable on the orignal disk. E.g a new Map, a new avatar or other new game-data.
In this case the DLC was some scripts and possibly an image or two meaning the size was small - doesnt mean it can be an unlock because it was never on the original disk image.
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