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They clearly intended to release Epilogue DLC all along. It's not a reaction to anything the fans did. It is their original plan.
What's the first thing you see after the ending we have now? A statement that DLC is coming. And what else could that DLC possibly be? It's not like it's gonna start in the middle of the story.
This isn't a cash grab as much as them being too rushed to do things properly. Hell, even the DLC we have now looks like it was supposed to be in the main game. They simply weren't able to finish this thing in time and they have already publicly admitted as much.
What's the first thing you see after the ending we have now? A statement that DLC is coming. And what else could that DLC possibly be? It's not like it's gonna start in the middle of the story.
This isn't a cash grab as much as them being too rushed to do things properly. Hell, even the DLC we have now looks like it was supposed to be in the main game. They simply weren't able to finish this thing in time and they have already publicly admitted as much.
@Sir Legendhead
"This isn't a cash grab as much as them being too rushed to do things properly."
That's exactly how I've felt about it all along. It felt like they were just rushed to come up with something. They said they were still trying to figure out what to do with the ending back in November, which only left them with a month before the game went to be certified and all that jazz. So it made a lot of sense to me that they were rushed and chose to leave it open for further expansion in th future. However, they've almost specifically stated that that wasn't the case, so I don't know what to believe.
"This isn't a cash grab as much as them being too rushed to do things properly."
That's exactly how I've felt about it all along. It felt like they were just rushed to come up with something. They said they were still trying to figure out what to do with the ending back in November, which only left them with a month before the game went to be certified and all that jazz. So it made a lot of sense to me that they were rushed and chose to leave it open for further expansion in th future. However, they've almost specifically stated that that wasn't the case, so I don't know what to believe.
@ TheNephilym
In the case of the day one DLC, they have said it was meant to be in the main game, but they weren't able to get it done in time to put on disc. Plus there's the statement from Casey Hudson which includes the line, "we have not seen the last of Commander Shepard".
I guess I should be looking up links for this stuff but eh, I figure people who are truly interested have already seen it. Plus I'm lazy. :p
In the case of the day one DLC, they have said it was meant to be in the main game, but they weren't able to get it done in time to put on disc. Plus there's the statement from Casey Hudson which includes the line, "we have not seen the last of Commander Shepard".
I guess I should be looking up links for this stuff but eh, I figure people who are truly interested have already seen it. Plus I'm lazy. :p
fuck it wouldnt let me edit the thing to write in about the gay sex scene on top of the reaper flagship no one seems to notice
Why does the ending not make sense? Aside from the obvious circular "yo dawg synthetic" logic, the endings feel completely out of place because they COPY/PASTED them from the original fucking Deus Ex in 1999, complete with the color assignments, if memory serves.
They even admit in the geoff keighley interviews/app that they were trying to put together an ending right up until the end of 2011, so it's understandable why they gave up and just copied someone else's ideas.
They even admit in the geoff keighley interviews/app that they were trying to put together an ending right up until the end of 2011, so it's understandable why they gave up and just copied someone else's ideas.
@TheNephilym The title along with the pic didn't put me on the right foot to begin with. But again you replied to me implying association. You didn't have to but w/e. I don't want the ending changed, like Ledge said Epilogue DLC was obviously in the cards.
Probably to combat dem used games sales.
Probably to combat dem used games sales.
All I know is that I was advertised and told there were going to be many distinct endings and that your choices would determine how the game ended, and that's not true.
I want what I was fucking advertised and sold. I want what I was led to believe I was buying.
And if you think I'm an entitled prick, then so be it. The only thing worse than people complaining about the ending are the ones vigorously defending Bioware through it all. They fucked up, plain and simple.
I want what I was fucking advertised and sold. I want what I was led to believe I was buying.
And if you think I'm an entitled prick, then so be it. The only thing worse than people complaining about the ending are the ones vigorously defending Bioware through it all. They fucked up, plain and simple.
@ DasPooch
I see a huge difference between the ME3 endings and those of Deus Ex. Namely, the Deus Ex endings let to drastically different outcomes.
SPOILER (like there's anyone left who hasn't seen this yet lol)
In ME3, everything besides Destroy is really just a glorified game over screen. You notice how Destroy is the only one that shows Shep wake up, while the other two show him die?
I see a huge difference between the ME3 endings and those of Deus Ex. Namely, the Deus Ex endings let to drastically different outcomes.
SPOILER (like there's anyone left who hasn't seen this yet lol)
In ME3, everything besides Destroy is really just a glorified game over screen. You notice how Destroy is the only one that shows Shep wake up, while the other two show him die?
How about this, since the fans know so much go make your own games and end them the way you want. I am so sick of whiners that do nothing but whine!:) Ok, I will stop whining now! er
@Sir Legendhead - The outcomes are essentially the same, regardless of how far ME3 goes to explain them:
Destroy Ending: In ME3, you destroy all the reapers, all tech based on them, and the mass relays, leading to everyone cut off from eachother and screwed, arguably set back centuries. In DE, you destroy the main control/communications hub, sending the world back into the dark ages, in terms of science and technology.
Control Ending: In ME3, you get the reapers to leave, except you add your own ethical standing to their mix, meaning they'll only initiate the purge of organics if absolutely necessary from now on, as opposed to a precaution. In DE, you join the Illuminati and add your ethical standing to the group, attempting to guide them and ensure a better "guidance" of humanity in doing so.
Synthesis Ending: In ME3, you merge give yourself to the crucible, causing a fusion of synthetic and organic life in a new paradigm. In DE, you merge with the Helios AI to usher in a new paradigm of tech-enhanced people that are linked together in a way never before seen, leading to new understanding and growth.
Granted, you destroy the relays in all 3 endings, but since the reapers survive both Control and Synthesis, it's easy to assume they'd rebuild them for everyone else.
Destroy Ending: In ME3, you destroy all the reapers, all tech based on them, and the mass relays, leading to everyone cut off from eachother and screwed, arguably set back centuries. In DE, you destroy the main control/communications hub, sending the world back into the dark ages, in terms of science and technology.
Control Ending: In ME3, you get the reapers to leave, except you add your own ethical standing to their mix, meaning they'll only initiate the purge of organics if absolutely necessary from now on, as opposed to a precaution. In DE, you join the Illuminati and add your ethical standing to the group, attempting to guide them and ensure a better "guidance" of humanity in doing so.
Synthesis Ending: In ME3, you merge give yourself to the crucible, causing a fusion of synthetic and organic life in a new paradigm. In DE, you merge with the Helios AI to usher in a new paradigm of tech-enhanced people that are linked together in a way never before seen, leading to new understanding and growth.
Granted, you destroy the relays in all 3 endings, but since the reapers survive both Control and Synthesis, it's easy to assume they'd rebuild them for everyone else.
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@ Das Pooch - I agree. That's why for me, the entire thing hinges on the scene where Shep wakes up in London. As a matter of fact, it's almost like Bioware made the Deus Ex parallels as obvious as possible just for the sake of misleading people.
i hate this overly intense mass effect coverage. cant read them yet (not having ended my game)...but i have to read something, dont I? i
being at work and all that.
meaning, i protest!
being at work and all that.
meaning, i protest!
@Sir Legendhead - I get what you mean, and it's an interesting idea. Thing is, the way the readiness level chart breaks down, you gain access to the endings in the following order:
1)Destroy - By default this is always available, even in the worst case, implying it's the undesirable ending (heavily debatable, of course).
2)Control - You unlock this one at ~2500 EMS, I think.
3)Synthesis - This one is the hardest to unlock, at around ~3000, which seems to imply that it's the "best" ending from Bioware's point of view. Quotes from them seem to jive with that, saying things like a hopeful and inspiring ending takes work to achieve. This mirrors the canon of Deus Ex 1 and 2, as 2 establishes the goal of the protagonists being a synthesis of humans and tech.
Also, despite what some mistakenly believe about the "Shep survives" scene, it does NOT require some grand 5k EMS level, so I wouldn't look to that scene necessarily as the "perfect" ending. I had a 3823 EMS, using an ME1/ME2 import, and had max reputation, chose Destroy and got the "Shep survives" scene.
1)Destroy - By default this is always available, even in the worst case, implying it's the undesirable ending (heavily debatable, of course).
2)Control - You unlock this one at ~2500 EMS, I think.
3)Synthesis - This one is the hardest to unlock, at around ~3000, which seems to imply that it's the "best" ending from Bioware's point of view. Quotes from them seem to jive with that, saying things like a hopeful and inspiring ending takes work to achieve. This mirrors the canon of Deus Ex 1 and 2, as 2 establishes the goal of the protagonists being a synthesis of humans and tech.
Also, despite what some mistakenly believe about the "Shep survives" scene, it does NOT require some grand 5k EMS level, so I wouldn't look to that scene necessarily as the "perfect" ending. I had a 3823 EMS, using an ME1/ME2 import, and had max reputation, chose Destroy and got the "Shep survives" scene.
@Patrick - So don't fucking read them. It's always hilarious to see people like you bitch about stuff like this, as if you're being forced to not only read it but comment on it as well.
And if you think commenting on it will somehow affect whether or not Dtoid will continue doing something you don't like, I've got a bridge to sell you. Just keep scrolling down the main page and get the fuck over it. XD
And if you think commenting on it will somehow affect whether or not Dtoid will continue doing something you don't like, I've got a bridge to sell you. Just keep scrolling down the main page and get the fuck over it. XD
@ DasPooch - I hate to even open up this can of worms, but...did you factor the online into those numbers? I played a ton of multiplayer with Revuhlooshun before I beat it, so my Galactic Readiness was at 100% when I finished. At that level it functions as a 2x multiplier.
Just asking, because everything I've read until now said the wake-up scene is the hardest one to get. Lol, at least this is slightly less complicated than quantum physics... :p
Just asking, because everything I've read until now said the wake-up scene is the hardest one to get. Lol, at least this is slightly less complicated than quantum physics... :p
@Sir Legendhead - Oh yeah, that EMS level I mentioned was AFTER factoring in the galaxy at war multiplier.
At the time I first beat ME3, it had been about a week since I played any MP, so my muliplier was at (i think) 64%. I may have up'd my EMS to slightly over 4k by the time I finished the last bit of the game, but I think it was ~3900.
At the time I first beat ME3, it had been about a week since I played any MP, so my muliplier was at (i think) 64%. I may have up'd my EMS to slightly over 4k by the time I finished the last bit of the game, but I think it was ~3900.
When I beat the game, I was pissed about it for a while, but the more I thought about it and looked at the ending, it looking pretty obvious that it's a dream sequence of some sort. The indoctrination theory makes more sense than taking the ending at face value.
The ending does not make sense otherwise.
Anyway Bioware will release post-game DLC to explain the story. That's a given.
The ending does not make sense otherwise.
Anyway Bioware will release post-game DLC to explain the story. That's a given.
I considered the indoctrination theory, and I wouldn't really mind it but @kamilumin was right. It stops making sense if you consider the post credit scene with the old man and the child. If Shepard was really indoctrinated and that entire final scene was all a dream sequence in his/her head then the old man and child wouldn't be talking about how Shepard saved everyone from the Reapers.
@AngryEMOgirl - Exactly. It's really just an idea people have to try and fanwank a different ending, and to give Bioware an out to add in another ending if they so choose.
There's no way in hell Bioware (and especially that mediocre writer Mac Walters) were smart enough and creative enough to do a mind-fuck like this on purpose. A fun idea and nothing more.
There's no way in hell Bioware (and especially that mediocre writer Mac Walters) were smart enough and creative enough to do a mind-fuck like this on purpose. A fun idea and nothing more.
AngryEMOgirl -
Unless the epilogue DLC takes place between Shep waking up and the Buzz Aldrin voiceover.
Unless the epilogue DLC takes place between Shep waking up and the Buzz Aldrin voiceover.
I only beat Mass Effect 3 this morning and I'm sad to say I agree that ME3 is an awesome game with a terrible ending. Even after lowering expectations from all the fallout I was seeing and thinking "Surely it can't be that bad" I was disappointed to say the least.
the Stargazer/Buzz monologue is just showing that Mass Effect can be carried on in other universes with him going on about each universe having different stories etc etc.
the indoctrination theory has valid points and faults but at least people tried to see the end in a different way then just WAH WAH WAH IT DONT MAKE SENSE.
the indoctrination theory has valid points and faults but at least people tried to see the end in a different way then just WAH WAH WAH IT DONT MAKE SENSE.
I'm confused, one moment he's pointing out impossibilities IN A VIDEO GAME... And then he's praising an idea. But then he REJECTS his own idea of possibilities with more "logic" IN A VIDEO GAME. o_O Who ever wrote this must of DESPISED the TV show Lost.
I'm confused, one moment he's pointing out impossibilities IN A VIDEO GAME... And then he's praising an idea. But then he REJECTS his own idea of possibilities with more "logic" IN A VIDEO GAME. o_O Who ever wrote this must of DESPISED the TV show Lost.
Anyone seriously butthurt by the ending needs to get a damn life. Star Wars has all kinds of inconsistencies, so does most any 'loved sci-fi' story. Get the fuck over it. Did you enjoy it? No? Well too bad, I did and don't give a damn about what your whiny ass wants to bitch about. this argument is getting so ridiculous. I never comment on dtoid because it's the internet, what's the point?, but this is seriously ridiculous. I hate internet jerkoffs. Yes there are some things that make you go "Hmmm I dunno about that" during the ending but you know what I did? Used my imagination to fill the gaps. That google article is so fucken stupid.... some of the points are just ridiculous. If you're a meticulous fact checker and are going to complain about somethng that goes on in a world full of made up Quarian races, Geth, Turians, Krogans... and you're going to bitch about some things not lining up? Get the fuck over your entitled whiny ass. /rant /postingondtoid.com
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I'm really curious how they would go about post-ending DLC, also kind of afraid. I'm ready for the craziness to be over. currently the game resets you to before you attack the Cerberus base after completing the game. So you'd have to do the entire ending sequence over again to experience epilogue-DLC. Granted they could change the functionality of that in the DLC or a patch, it just seems kinda weird with the current functionality.
I don't think the Stargazer scene was just to show that ME can be carried on in other universes more just that the story can continue because they're starting over (no mass relays, etc). They were also specifically talking about Shepard (I dont know why anyone would think it was a different Shepard than the one you played through three games). Unless they're in a parallel universe....
I don't think the Stargazer scene was just to show that ME can be carried on in other universes more just that the story can continue because they're starting over (no mass relays, etc). They were also specifically talking about Shepard (I dont know why anyone would think it was a different Shepard than the one you played through three games). Unless they're in a parallel universe....
@ Angrryemo
it not about parallel universes just different ones we know ME3 is the last of Shepard arc so they could use another galaxy to start next trilogy this is what i meant about Stargazer talking about the stars n planets each having different speices and stories. It how they continue the series also no need worry about lack of Mass Relays it also possible in the timeline the story of shepard reaches other galaxies.
As for DLC it could be added any part of game either a cutscene showing what happens to the others after the end.
it not about parallel universes just different ones we know ME3 is the last of Shepard arc so they could use another galaxy to start next trilogy this is what i meant about Stargazer talking about the stars n planets each having different speices and stories. It how they continue the series also no need worry about lack of Mass Relays it also possible in the timeline the story of shepard reaches other galaxies.
As for DLC it could be added any part of game either a cutscene showing what happens to the others after the end.
Jim - Thanks for posting this and encouraging healthy discussion instead of just calling everyone who doesn't like the ending stupid immature trolls.
After this nonsense has passed, maybe we'll be able to go back to a time when it was less shameful to identify as a gamer than a ICP juggalo.
I'm kinda annoyed that they decided to use "she" as if Shepard is female canonically. I'd much rather have an extremely awkward amount of Shepard this Shepard that than specifically mentioning Shepard's sex.
The more I hear about the ending the more I hope the market crashes so you'll shut the fuck up about video games. Christ on a stick gamers are whiny bitches.
It's a problem I constantly have with endings of pretty much anything. I can't stand when they throw out logic or consistency for emotion. That being said ME3 pretty much throws out both. Pretty great game up until that point though.
I like the indoctrination theory, they could go so many ways if Shepherd was indoctrinated and the twist would fit well with the game's storyline.
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