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It's amazing how they're still supporting the game.
But then again, they could borderline be sued in a class action lawsuit as a result of a faulty consumer product if they didn't!
But then again, they could borderline be sued in a class action lawsuit as a result of a faulty consumer product if they didn't!
@Magnalon
They've had these DLC packs announced for a long time, like, the name of all 4 of them have been known since before Dead Money came out.
They've had these DLC packs announced for a long time, like, the name of all 4 of them have been known since before Dead Money came out.
I was referring to this:
"The downloadable content will come along with an update for New Vegas that will 'bring improvements to performance and stability in major areas'."
"The downloadable content will come along with an update for New Vegas that will 'bring improvements to performance and stability in major areas'."
Any chance of them fixing the NRC monorail sabotage mission at McCarran Airport? Still waiting to "report" on disarming the monorail bomb...ugh.
Still kinda shitty though: "you want the original game to work properly? Buy the DLC." I still don't understand how they managed to mess up the game mechanics even worse with something that is close to being a copypasta of FO3.
When I had turned off autosave (that was a problem, apparently) and was saving every 5 minutes, hoping it wouldn't lock up in-between, and still managed 8 system-halting lockups through the course of my playthrough.... it occurred to me that finishing NV was a principle of the matter, but I wasn't going to do that ever again, no matter how good the game is supposed to be. No game is worth hosing my console for.
When I had turned off autosave (that was a problem, apparently) and was saving every 5 minutes, hoping it wouldn't lock up in-between, and still managed 8 system-halting lockups through the course of my playthrough.... it occurred to me that finishing NV was a principle of the matter, but I wasn't going to do that ever again, no matter how good the game is supposed to be. No game is worth hosing my console for.
@Elysee
Not sure where you're getting that from.
When I see the word "update", I think free patch, like all the other DLCs did.
Not sure where you're getting that from.
When I see the word "update", I think free patch, like all the other DLCs did.
Damn it just bought Dead Money aswell >8( oh well I'll probably get round to buying it frigging loving new vegas right now
@Elysse
There's a free patch released at the same day. You don't have to pay for it.
And I'll be getting this, FO3 and NV has so far been the only games with worthwhile DLC.
And hintedy hint hint, publishers and developers. Note how Bethesda are releasing mod tools -AND- dlc. You can do both.
There's a free patch released at the same day. You don't have to pay for it.
And I'll be getting this, FO3 and NV has so far been the only games with worthwhile DLC.
And hintedy hint hint, publishers and developers. Note how Bethesda are releasing mod tools -AND- dlc. You can do both.
Am I the only one that thinks that Obsidian should become a permanent Fallout dev? They did a better job supporting the series, both technically and content wise. I'm frothing at the mouth for a GOTY release of this and for a sequel using Skyrim's engine.
Just once can we have an article about FNV without people bitching about the bugs in the comments? They're trying to fix them with patches, shut up and just deal with it already.
Love the game. Love the DLC. My fiance and I have both beaten the game twice including DLC and only had a few lock ups. My fat boy survived 4 playthroughs of FO3 as well.
Anyway, I'm glad to see consistant support for a game so rich with features (and unfortunate bugs).
Anyway, I'm glad to see consistant support for a game so rich with features (and unfortunate bugs).
@ elysee,
"Still kinda shitty though: "you want the original game to work properly? Buy the DLC." I still don't understand how they managed to mess up the game mechanics even worse with something that is close to being a copypasta of FO3. "
There is a pretty large amount of ignorance in this entire paragraph. If you're going to hate on something... at least be a tiny bit accurate about the thing you're hating on.
First of all it's not a "copypasta" (hate that meme) of FO3. And as has been pointed out by now several times, you don't need to buy DLC to get an update. It's never been that way for any game on the face of the planet, ever.. so I have no idea why you'd assume that.
"Still kinda shitty though: "you want the original game to work properly? Buy the DLC." I still don't understand how they managed to mess up the game mechanics even worse with something that is close to being a copypasta of FO3. "
There is a pretty large amount of ignorance in this entire paragraph. If you're going to hate on something... at least be a tiny bit accurate about the thing you're hating on.
First of all it's not a "copypasta" (hate that meme) of FO3. And as has been pointed out by now several times, you don't need to buy DLC to get an update. It's never been that way for any game on the face of the planet, ever.. so I have no idea why you'd assume that.
I am ashamed for pointing out a Day 1 quest glitch that has not been fixed. Thank you Obsidian, for ensuring at least one quest will never be complete. Its an added value to have an unbeatable game. I should be praising the perpetual open quest feature, creating the Immortal King of All Games. Instead I asked that a Quest that I started back in October 2010 should be working in June 2011. I have brought dishonor on my household, and shame to my ancestors. Please direct me to the Cliffs of Intolerable Failure.
@Freakazoid: awesome name. Also no you're not. I felt they captured the feel and humor of old fallout (most are ex black isle though).
Melee/unarmed is god mode in NV. You can basically walk up to any enemy on the game and either uppercut them 50 feet into the air, or perform a Mortal Kombat Fatality on them. No reason to use guns.
@Elysee
I barely had any issues with NV but if you did, be glad that it's being patched far more than F3. Also, read the original blog post, the patch comes before the dlc.
I barely had any issues with NV but if you did, be glad that it's being patched far more than F3. Also, read the original blog post, the patch comes before the dlc.
@TurboPhoenix
Oh don't get me wrong - I LOVE New Vegas - as in, probably top five of all time on my gaming list, and I've been gaming since 1989.
However, it would be an outright lie to say the game shipped finished. There were hundreds of game breaking glitches that caused players to lose 30 hours worth of adventuring/data. The only single player game in recent memory that had a few game breaking glitches (outside of Fallout 3) was Fable II, and that was crucified by many users because of it.
Honestly, it's inexcusable to have this many remaining bugs eight months after release. It doesn't bother me, but it's sleazy as hell - especially after a RECENT update caused NEW game breaking issues! How can you excuse that?
Oh don't get me wrong - I LOVE New Vegas - as in, probably top five of all time on my gaming list, and I've been gaming since 1989.
However, it would be an outright lie to say the game shipped finished. There were hundreds of game breaking glitches that caused players to lose 30 hours worth of adventuring/data. The only single player game in recent memory that had a few game breaking glitches (outside of Fallout 3) was Fable II, and that was crucified by many users because of it.
Honestly, it's inexcusable to have this many remaining bugs eight months after release. It doesn't bother me, but it's sleazy as hell - especially after a RECENT update caused NEW game breaking issues! How can you excuse that?
Wai I just realized this said July! WTF this wa supposed to be this week. Oh well. Can't wait for lonesome road. I'm gonna get you other courier! With my weiner
REALLY LATE to the Fallout party as I just purchased FO3 GOTY a couple weeks ago on Amazon.
I love the hell out of it so far. I mean, there are some minor graphical glitches so far, but nothing game breaking like im reading here about NV. Is it really that buggy? Didn't Bethesda work on both games?
I love the hell out of it so far. I mean, there are some minor graphical glitches so far, but nothing game breaking like im reading here about NV. Is it really that buggy? Didn't Bethesda work on both games?
As a positive note, I loved New Vegas, and felt more of a connection to it than Fallout 3. Something about the mixture of characters, story, and sense of humor just seemed to work for me in a way that 3 didn't, at least not to the extent of NV. I look forward to the next DLC and will purchase it the second it comes out. Any criticisms I have are simply because it is upsetting to get pulled from such a great gaming experience, and in no way want to be seen as hating just for the sake of it.
My Xbox 360 has never displayed the Red Ring of Death, I didn't come across any bugs in Fallout 3 or any of its subsequent DLCs and I haven't been the victim of any nasty glitches or miscellaneous bugs in New Vegas. I am the son of God's son.
@Magnalon
I'd say it's just incompetence, they could do with some better programmers. I'm hoping it's just the engine, and I'm also hoping that F4 will have a better engine. I can sympathize with those issues, as F3 would crash on me regularly. At least NV has been better supported, even if patches need patches themselves.
I'd say it's just incompetence, they could do with some better programmers. I'm hoping it's just the engine, and I'm also hoping that F4 will have a better engine. I can sympathize with those issues, as F3 would crash on me regularly. At least NV has been better supported, even if patches need patches themselves.
for anyone who complains about the glitches, i will put money that they still either beat the game or put more then 40 hours into the game... thats why it still supported.... go play some god of war or none multiplayer COD and lets see how many hours you get out of those games...and all the wonderful support they have for single player... o wait
@SpineStomper: I completely agree, but that is kind of the point, isn't it? In an open world game you can't find a lot of these glitches unless you put time in exploring. Ill own up to wanting some of these fixed just because I am running out of quests to do. Does that still not give me the right to ask that these be fixed? I am a person supporting every bit of DLC, investing in this property, so please fix some of the known issues. Does that really sound outrageous? Should only people who DONT invest the time get to complain about glitches? I just don't get that argument.
@charlie von chaingun - Don't let the amount of bugs deter you from what is an awesome game. I've had about 13 characters and sunk well over 500 hours of gameplay into FNV, and I've yet to encounter a single bug that breaks the game or makes me lose hours of progress. That said, I know the bugs are a mixed bag and there are plenty of people who have encountered the bad ones. It's still worth the risk.
@TurboPhoenix: Agreed, it is worth the risk. When people are complaining about what essentially amounts to "let me play just a bit more" you know it is worth your time. As they say "warts and all".
@SpineStomper
You aren't thinking out of your perspective.
I've beaten the game 4 times, and had one game breaking glitch, which I circumvented through a 3 hour exploit.
I've talked to people who have played the game 8 hours, and either had their save erased, or impeded by a glitch that forces them to restart. They do exist - it's basically a play at your own risk game.
You aren't thinking out of your perspective.
I've beaten the game 4 times, and had one game breaking glitch, which I circumvented through a 3 hour exploit.
I've talked to people who have played the game 8 hours, and either had their save erased, or impeded by a glitch that forces them to restart. They do exist - it's basically a play at your own risk game.
@danielmshawjr about the monorail mission at camp mccarran, there are several steps you can make to make the quest not bug itself, i've been doing that quest trought many character without a problem thanks to this, go to the fallout wiki and search for this quest, under the notes section you should have the steps
daniel and Turbo have it right.
I don't really feel that people on the outside should have the right to complain about some technical bugs that've never affected them personally due to having never been invested in the game in the first place. While I'll be the first to admit that Gamebryo is full of fail when it comes to stability, and its simple for just anyone to take potshots at the game, I've still put at least 200 hrs into F3 and am about 60 hrs in on NV. The experience offered is truly unlike anything else, and so while that doesn't justify the bugs being there, it more than made it easy for me to restart my console the handful of times it was necessary across both games, and still remain enthusiastic about playing. It rises above its faults.
Anyways, back to dreaming about (a fully stable) F4 on the Skyrim engine.
I don't really feel that people on the outside should have the right to complain about some technical bugs that've never affected them personally due to having never been invested in the game in the first place. While I'll be the first to admit that Gamebryo is full of fail when it comes to stability, and its simple for just anyone to take potshots at the game, I've still put at least 200 hrs into F3 and am about 60 hrs in on NV. The experience offered is truly unlike anything else, and so while that doesn't justify the bugs being there, it more than made it easy for me to restart my console the handful of times it was necessary across both games, and still remain enthusiastic about playing. It rises above its faults.
Anyways, back to dreaming about (a fully stable) F4 on the Skyrim engine.
I guess I'm lucky. I've played it for over 50 hours and only experienced 2 game breaking glitches that were easily worked around or fixed. Its much better now.
The NV dlc has been great so far imo. Can't wait to pick this up.
The NV dlc has been great so far imo. Can't wait to pick this up.
@ricochetguro Yes, you were lucky. I experienced at least three hard crashes (ie, needed to reboot the xbox) and several broken faction related quests. Then there was a missing floor piece that caused me to teleport to the start of the tunnel. And of course, the enemies tended to get stuck in the environment. Still, I enjoyed the game, but I opted to return it until the game was properly fixed. I'll pick up the game of the year edition and probably start fresh.
Honestly, y'all, I will never understand the mentality of people who defend shit. Not the vague "this shit happened", but the "this IS shit" variety. Do you all honestly believe that they would have continued to put out updates without people buying DLC? That's *not* free, and that's *not* cool. That is stringing people along for the basic functionality they paid for and didn't get when they bought the box.
I've loved the FO series since '98, hell, I even embraced the change to FPS/RPG with open arms. NV's story is entertaining and a great addition to canon. Having said that, it damages immersion (and frankly, fun) to have to contend with issues that should have been caught and fixed if not in QA, then certainly in the first month of release. Waiting for people to play it and then fix *some* of the problems is shady, but maybe shadier is pushing a release date when the product is clearly not ready for market. The only way to combat that sort of management behavior is for consumers to stop acting like entitled twats when the date gets pushed forward and to stop supporting companies that push unfinished games. Trust me on this one, the FO franchise (and Obsidian) will survive being moved to a better parent company.
Also, stop acting like it won't happen with the next one, either- this is a great cash cow since people have proven to fork out money for a substandard product on day 1, based on the franchise name alone.
TL;DR- something that's 1/2 shit, or shit with potential, is still shit.
I've loved the FO series since '98, hell, I even embraced the change to FPS/RPG with open arms. NV's story is entertaining and a great addition to canon. Having said that, it damages immersion (and frankly, fun) to have to contend with issues that should have been caught and fixed if not in QA, then certainly in the first month of release. Waiting for people to play it and then fix *some* of the problems is shady, but maybe shadier is pushing a release date when the product is clearly not ready for market. The only way to combat that sort of management behavior is for consumers to stop acting like entitled twats when the date gets pushed forward and to stop supporting companies that push unfinished games. Trust me on this one, the FO franchise (and Obsidian) will survive being moved to a better parent company.
Also, stop acting like it won't happen with the next one, either- this is a great cash cow since people have proven to fork out money for a substandard product on day 1, based on the franchise name alone.
TL;DR- something that's 1/2 shit, or shit with potential, is still shit.
@Elysse
I didn't think New Vegas' glitches were enough to bring the pitch forks out for. While I think it's important to be vocal about it's issues, so they can fix it in the future, I don't think gamers should go so far as to boycott Bethesda.
New Vegas is sitting on an 8.4 on Metacritic for both PC and 360, which honestly, is good. I wouldn't call the game "shit" at all.
I honestly don't think it will happen with the "next" one (or Skyrim), so long as the new engine is used.
I didn't think New Vegas' glitches were enough to bring the pitch forks out for. While I think it's important to be vocal about it's issues, so they can fix it in the future, I don't think gamers should go so far as to boycott Bethesda.
New Vegas is sitting on an 8.4 on Metacritic for both PC and 360, which honestly, is good. I wouldn't call the game "shit" at all.
I honestly don't think it will happen with the "next" one (or Skyrim), so long as the new engine is used.
@elysse - I was staunchly opposed to New Vegas when it was first release. I was not going to pay full price for a game that was even glitchier than Fallout 3. However once I did get around to picking it up I found that I enjoyed the game much more than F3, even in spite of the game locking up at least once every hour near the end. It's definitely not acceptable for that to be present in the game, but at the end of the day all that matters is whether I'm having fun. Screw gaming politics.
Looks like releasing the DLCs a month apart, like they planned, was too ambitious. Oh well, if it means a better DLC with a more involved story than the last one, I'll wait.
I still haven't finished NV since I bought it 5 months ago. I've managed to clear a backlog recently, so I'll try again. Problem is it's not the sort of game you can just jump straight back into.
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