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Fallout veterans will likely be the only people up for the challenge of Fallout: New Vegas' Hardcore Mode. As Bethesda's Jason Bergman explained, "It's not so much about difficulty as it is making every decision you do and how you play the game much, much more meaningful." Hardcore Mode forces you to play the game carefully, and it takes away many of the game-y concessions you might be used to:

  • ammunition has weight
  • you have to eat and sleep every day
  • stimpaks heal over time, not instantly
  • crippled limbs can only be healed by a doctor or a doctor's bag (which requires high Science and Medicine skills to use)
  • it's the Nevada desert, so you have to keep yourself hydrated -- and since this is a Fallout game, some of the water in the world is irradiated
As you can see, it's a very "tactical way of playing the game," one that keeps you on your toes at all times. According to Bergman, about half of the game's QA testers chose to play through it in Hardcore Mode. Will you join them?







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BiggyP's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:33
BiggyP
Sounds awesome
mourning orange's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:33
mourning orange
Sounds legit.
Chardan's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:39
Chardan
Sweet Stuff, Is there any news that these rule (or some of them) apply to companions?
Zeta Crossfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:40
Zeta Crossfire
This sounds way to "hardcore" for me, but I do have a few friends who might like it. I just hope there's no achievement for beating the game on hardcore or I won't be able to get it.
Mechman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:41
Mechman
Fuck yeah realism!
Dreamscape's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:43
Dreamscape
This is shaping up to be more of a Fallout game than 3.

Also is it snobbish of me to pity the people who think this is too hard for them?

I think this is one of the most interesting modes in a game i've seen in a while and i'm not even that excited for New Vegas.
Mooks's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:45
Mooks
Hell yeah. I am soooo burnt out after playing Fallout 3 so goddamn much, this looks like a thing that can get me back in.
Davidfoundation's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:47
Davidfoundation
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Thats intense ill stick to normal settings or whatever

This reminds me of when i turned into a vampire in oblivion - Fuck that never going to do that again couldn't go outside in the day without dying
Zepinephrine's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:48
Zepinephrine
I remember weighted ammo in Fallout 2 really forcing good inventory management. This mode sounds like a great option.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:49
Naim Master
By all means yes, it won't make it as hard as it's going to make combat and choices more meaningful.
Oncomouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:50
Oncomouse
Don't pity me, Dreamscape. I love video games for the immersion in another world and unique narrative opportunities. I almost always play on the easiest difficulty because I just want the experience of the atmosphere and the story. I want nothing to do with this hardcore business but I got no beef with it being in there as an option for those who want the challenge, which is also a totally legit pleasure to derive from games.
DrRockso's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:53
DrRockso
All in.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:53
KingSigy
It definitely brings a different element of challenge to the game, but one that may make the game feel more like work than fun.
Jnr Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:53
Jnr Johnson
ME On Hard Core Mode....HEY A PLASMA GUN!...Fuck it's too heavy....ok...Who needs stimpacks anyway...5 mins later...hahaha im about to own this deathclaw with my plasma gun...*deathclaw strikes* Ah F*CK! Hard core mode is hard a shyte....10 minutes later Im running away from Deathclaw and get dehydrated....back to normal mode lol :-}
darkwonders's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:53
darkwonders
So a house will be more useful now. sweet :)
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:53
Handy
Seems like it gets rid of the stuff that made you virtually unkillable in the last one .I’d say it’ll be really rewarding to make the tough choices of what to sacrifice when you find something new but it still sounds like the kind of thing you would save for subsequent playthroughs.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:55
falinter
It seems like a good idea but I feel like I would get burnt out from it after 2 hours. And this comes from someone who sat and stared at a group of super mutants for 20 mins to figure out their patrol path.

I may give it a try though... Hopefully you have the option to switch back to normal. Atleast once.
Nogtank's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:55
Nogtank
I love this. I love it even more because it's an option -- you can choose to play the game like an old school RPG where you have to maintain a bunch of things and can't fix every problem yourself (see: resurrecting dead allies or removing curses back in the old AD&D gold box days), or you can take it easy on yourself and play it the other way. I heart Obsidian.
Nicholas Campbell's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:59
Nicholas Campbell
Yes. This is ... identical to the Fallout Wanderer's Edition (FWE) mod. I dig it.
TriplZer0's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 18:59
TriplZer0
I hate having to play the weight balancing game, especially when it comes to ammo. This might make me a wimp, but if I do get this game my first playthrough will be on the normal mode. Hardcore mode will have to wait -- possibly forever.
Nathsies's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:00
Nathsies
Also known as "Manly Mode."

Gonna be tough, gonna be hard; New Vegas looks to shake everything up and be just darn awesome.
Popyman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:00
Popyman
That sounds both neat and annoying!
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:01
king kong five
Love it, this is what the first two Fallout games did and it worked great.

My only gripe is that these only seem to affect short-term consequences; nothing really in the long term. Oh well, that's why we have mods, right?
CapnCrunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:02
CapnCrunk
Sounds closer to the old Fallout games, which is a good thing. I'm all about this.
PersonalGaming's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:12
PersonalGaming
Cool for the hard core people, but for me a normal playthrough will likely be more than enough. I spend close to hundred hours with Fallout 3 and it was awesome!
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:13
Usedtabe
Fallout 3 was my first Fallout game and I'm so looking forward to this mode. I'll run 2 games at once, one in normal and one in hardcore.
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:22
bluemeep
Gimme gimme gimme.
Quoth's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:26
Quoth
And now an option for permadeath, please.

Want.
Veidt's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:38
Veidt
This looks good. This is actually how I play Fallout 3. Comes with the FWE mods, that's one of the main point. Hell, with the weapon mods the way they are, I wouldn't be surprised if they took the inspiration for this from said mod. Definitely playing this, so much more awesome. Hopefully the damage rates are upped as well to make it REALLY mean something, especially the crippled limbs bit.

Major difference between this and that mod is that instead of a "Doctor's Bag" (Which may or may not be in abundance), you either had to see a doctor to fix your limbs or find medical braces and surgical tubing and do it yourself with enough Medicine skill. Really, really frustrating and hard at first, but so awesome later.
CtMythic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 19:53
CtMythic
Exactly the same giant ant skin as Fallout 3: Totally not hardcore and really fucking disappointing.
soberbandana's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:00
soberbandana
Hardcore all the way!!!
CtMythic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:04
CtMythic
My last comment also applies to everything in New Vegas that's copy and pasted from F3. When you literally lift huge chunks of a game into a sequel, the rest of that sequel needs to be on the right side of stellar to justify charging retail price IMO. I ended up buying F3 3 times (PC, 360 [and each DLC at 800msp each], PC GOTY Edition [cheaper than buying the DLCs individually again]), I don't want to have to buy it again.
Happy Chainsaw Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:28
Happy Chainsaw Man
Sounds like this would make for a great second playthrough. Spice things up a bit.
XxSteviexX's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:31
XxSteviexX
Definitely playing on hardcore
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:36
DinnertimeNinja
They should just call this "Fallout Mode" because it's just all the stuff you had to deal with in the original games.
dethtoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:52
dethtoll
"They should just call this "Fallout Mode" because it's just all the stuff you had to deal with in the original games."

Are you high? The only things that ever became a factor in the original games was ammo weight, and that healing crippled limbs was much more likely to succeed with doctor skill and a doctor's bag. Everything else, like stimpaks healing instantly, your not needing to eat and sleep, so on and so forth? Yeah, that was in the original games.
nicojay's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:56
nicojay
They should just call this "Fallout Mode" because it's just all the stuff you had to deal with in the original games.
I thought I'd reprint that comment as I have nothing to add except maybe
YES.:)
Turd Burglin Chodeo Clown's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 20:57
Turd Burglin Chodeo Clown
The main problems I had with the last game (were how quickly all the money I was constantly getting lost its purpose (after I had bitchin' equipment AND bought every item imaginable for my house... this is a problem I have with most open world games I've played, come to think of it), and how my refrigerator ended up full of food I had no good reason to eat (and even less reason to sell); so I'ma be all up on this mode.
Turd Burglin Chodeo Clown's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 21:03
Turd Burglin Chodeo Clown
Oop, stray parenthese.
Coldhorn's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 21:09
Coldhorn
Hardcore mode is not the difficulty level, but an additional mode layered upon your choice of difficulty. You could play hardcore mode with easy difficulty enabled or turn off hardcore mode and play on the highest difficulty setting. It's your choice.

Yeah, normal difficulty with hardcore mode enabled is the reason I pre-ordered this game several months ago. Seriously wanted to go back to the fallout roots when it came to the critical consideration of balancing my inventory and the thankless bitch of trying to survive against overwhelming "odds". Hardcore mode has upped the "ante". I'm so goddamn smooth it hurts to breath.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 21:26
TheDreadHawk
Dude. I absolutely love this mode! I already do it in my current Fallout 3 gameplay. This will just make it actually have consequences. Schweet.

I think Hardcore mode is best for people who want to do the sidequest RPG stuff. Main story would probably be hard as tits with Hardcore mode on.
Vandrith's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 21:36
Vandrith
I'll try it, and then smash my head up against a brick wall repeatedly. At least I'll have motivation to finish the play-through, you see, I hate going through multiple playthroughs of Fallout so I try to hit every single point of interest and do every side-quest in one go. This will be interesting.
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 22:16
Stahlbrand
Playing FO3 with FWE right now. I like it. Also, everything does 2x damage and you take more damage if hit in VATS slomo scenes (half dmg rather than default one-tenth dmg).

Its pretty tight.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 22:40
HEL105
Everything sounds good, except the weighted ammo. That sounds like a nightmare for me.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 22:53
Samit Sarkar
@TheDreadHawk: "Main story would probably be hard as tits with Hardcore mode on."

If the tits you've been feeling up are hard, then, uh... I hate to break it to you, but they're probably not tits.
omicron1's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/19/2010 23:35
omicron1
Roguelike mode, engage!
kaizokuonii's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2010 00:41
kaizokuonii
I can actually live with this as long as they don't make the ammo weight thing absolutely ridiculous.

Also, Melee Weapons FTW!
CloneTrooper's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2010 01:23
CloneTrooper
@CtMythic

a) Not a sequel. It's just another story in the Fallout Universe.

b) So what if there are assests reused from Fallout 3? Obsidian are using the GECK Toolset to create New Vegas, so it stands to reason that there will be assets that reused. Plus, it adds some cohesion to the two games, showing they take place in the same world.

Not every game has to use vastly different assets.
ModernTenshi04's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2010 08:24
ModernTenshi04
The doctor says my limbs can't be healed, I call it a challenge.

Anyway, this all sounds brutal as fuck, but once I bumped the game up to Very Hard in Fallout 3, going back to any other difficulty seemed to just be too easy and boring.

BRING IT ON.
ScottyG's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/20/2010 09:15
ScottyG
I probably won't the first time, but I'd definitely want to come back to give it a go. :)
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