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PvPPY - Christ knows exactly what he means! He talks a lot, but I don't think it's harmful, and certainly not worthy of the hate that he seems to get. I just don't think we should get too pissed off by his use of the word episodic, but London is episodic - it has been at the heart of many hugely relevant periods of not just national history, but World history. I think that could be his hook. That and the fact that Dickens wrote a lot of books about London. It just seems like 'oh, he used the word episodic in a context that I don't understand, and linked it to a concept I don't like - let's slate the cunt'. Kind of annoys me.
PvPPY - Christ knows exactly what he means! He talks a lot, but I don't think it's harmful, and certainly not worthy of the hate that he seems to get. I just don't think we should get too pissed off by his use of the word episodic, but London is episodic - it has been at the heart of many hugely relevant periods of not just national history, but World history. I think that could be his hook. That and the fact that Dickens wrote a lot of books about London. It just seems like 'oh, he used the word episodic in a context that I don't understand, and linked it to a concept I don't like - let's slate the cunt'. Kind of annoys me.
I enjoy good games, but most of the time I avoid hype and look down on those who stoop to it in excess. It seems Peter Molyneux is one such, and, despite repeated promises to the contrary, he continues his reign of error and exaggeration.
He'd be a decent enough fellow if he could stick to his numerous promises to stop the ridiculous overhyping, but he can't. It's like he has an addiction.
He'd be a decent enough fellow if he could stick to his numerous promises to stop the ridiculous overhyping, but he can't. It's like he has an addiction.
The way Dickens wrote was in serialised form, with a chapter or two of a much larger story coming out every month.
Discarded Couch Sandwich wins with knowledge of literature.
Discarded Couch Sandwich wins with knowledge of literature.
>You just sound like you hate him to me. Calm down. You're becoming the exact thing you're raging against just in a different color.
I hope that color is blue. I've always liked blue.
Also, I'm not ragin', nor a cajun', nor do I think Peter Molyneux's record is without merit. However, can you think of any individual, maybe excluding Kojima, that is treated as so news-worthy every time he drops a few syllables about a game? Molyneux get's a ton of face time for the most inane details, and he's billed as some sort of uber-designer. He's also hella' windy and arrogant to boot. As a wise man once wrote through the mouth of an animated character, 'He insists upon himself'.
So yeah, if I'm going to be treated to a constant river of articles about whatever the great man feels like episodicin' on, I'm going to chirp in on rebuttal when he's talking complete bollocks, and ask did his last game(s) live up to the lofty rhetoric that's being throw about for the next one. There's got to be a time when the gaming press says 'You'll get your fawning coverage back the next time you actually come through on a complete game.'
I hope that color is blue. I've always liked blue.
Also, I'm not ragin', nor a cajun', nor do I think Peter Molyneux's record is without merit. However, can you think of any individual, maybe excluding Kojima, that is treated as so news-worthy every time he drops a few syllables about a game? Molyneux get's a ton of face time for the most inane details, and he's billed as some sort of uber-designer. He's also hella' windy and arrogant to boot. As a wise man once wrote through the mouth of an animated character, 'He insists upon himself'.
So yeah, if I'm going to be treated to a constant river of articles about whatever the great man feels like episodicin' on, I'm going to chirp in on rebuttal when he's talking complete bollocks, and ask did his last game(s) live up to the lofty rhetoric that's being throw about for the next one. There's got to be a time when the gaming press says 'You'll get your fawning coverage back the next time you actually come through on a complete game.'
London is episodic - it has been at the heart of many hugely relevant periods of not just national history, but World history.
I see the point you're making there, but London isn't any more or less episodic than my grandmother's hypothetical Honda Civic.
The perception of distinct episodes and their consequent flavour or impact on the greater social milieu is projected by the viewer. A city or an automobile exists in a dynamic state of past and present due primarily to the memory of the witness and not any essential element of the thing itself.
In other words, history doesn't exist in episodes. Rather, humans often project episodes onto history, and this largely occurs to change or reinforce a particular image of the present (hence, the notions of progress and the great march of innovation, etc...).
While Molyneux may be trying to play with a certain episodic relevance he sees in Dickens, it does rather appear he's defending his DLC plan using 19th century literature, which is a bit strange to say the least. It seems like a bunch of fancy footwork to justify something they were going to do regardless of its relevance or irrelevance to Dickens, episodic perceptions of history, etc...
I see the point you're making there, but London isn't any more or less episodic than my grandmother's hypothetical Honda Civic.
The perception of distinct episodes and their consequent flavour or impact on the greater social milieu is projected by the viewer. A city or an automobile exists in a dynamic state of past and present due primarily to the memory of the witness and not any essential element of the thing itself.
In other words, history doesn't exist in episodes. Rather, humans often project episodes onto history, and this largely occurs to change or reinforce a particular image of the present (hence, the notions of progress and the great march of innovation, etc...).
While Molyneux may be trying to play with a certain episodic relevance he sees in Dickens, it does rather appear he's defending his DLC plan using 19th century literature, which is a bit strange to say the least. It seems like a bunch of fancy footwork to justify something they were going to do regardless of its relevance or irrelevance to Dickens, episodic perceptions of history, etc...
@ChaosTeaCup - that's the problem, when you use a word with an exact meaning in a certain context as if you were inventing the usage yourself.
As one of the "Molyneux raped my cat" posters it's because I *did* play all of Bullfrog's stuff. Molyneux used to know how to make amazing games. Now he's become patronizing and self-absorbed, promising the world and showing up pants-on-head when it's time to deliver. Maybe it's true. Maybe the world didn't need another videogame after Syndicate. Come on, at least give us a port.
As one of the "Molyneux raped my cat" posters it's because I *did* play all of Bullfrog's stuff. Molyneux used to know how to make amazing games. Now he's become patronizing and self-absorbed, promising the world and showing up pants-on-head when it's time to deliver. Maybe it's true. Maybe the world didn't need another videogame after Syndicate. Come on, at least give us a port.
@KingSoup
Yeah I can think of a ton of devs...when they actually talk. Fact is Molyneux talks a lot so he makes easy headlines. If Miyamoto, Nomura, or Sakaguchi talked more I can promise you they'd be in the headlines more. In fact Sakaguchi was mentioned here just yesterday for commenting on God of War.
The only person I can think of who talks as much as Molyneux and doesn't get enough blips on gaming blogs is Tim Schaefer.
Not to mention popularity =/= cred. Just because Molyneux gets his blips on the blogs it doesn't really do much for his cred. In fact, if anything, it's given people more opportunities to bitch.
And you can't decide coverage based on the quality of a game. You just...can't. I don't even know how you think that's within the realm of reason.
With that last bit, again, I'm just getting a vibe that you just hate Molyneux. Granting coverage based on how good the designers last game was? That's completely nonsensical. It's too subjective. You give coverage based on who's got something to say.
And that doesn't even tap into the fact that a lot of the time a Molyneux article pops up he's talking about his games so that sounds pretty relevant to me.
Molyneux is a silly man. He talks too much, which is 75% of his problem, but you can't just blacklist the guy.
Yeah I can think of a ton of devs...when they actually talk. Fact is Molyneux talks a lot so he makes easy headlines. If Miyamoto, Nomura, or Sakaguchi talked more I can promise you they'd be in the headlines more. In fact Sakaguchi was mentioned here just yesterday for commenting on God of War.
The only person I can think of who talks as much as Molyneux and doesn't get enough blips on gaming blogs is Tim Schaefer.
Not to mention popularity =/= cred. Just because Molyneux gets his blips on the blogs it doesn't really do much for his cred. In fact, if anything, it's given people more opportunities to bitch.
And you can't decide coverage based on the quality of a game. You just...can't. I don't even know how you think that's within the realm of reason.
With that last bit, again, I'm just getting a vibe that you just hate Molyneux. Granting coverage based on how good the designers last game was? That's completely nonsensical. It's too subjective. You give coverage based on who's got something to say.
And that doesn't even tap into the fact that a lot of the time a Molyneux article pops up he's talking about his games so that sounds pretty relevant to me.
Molyneux is a silly man. He talks too much, which is 75% of his problem, but you can't just blacklist the guy.
Here's a suggestion: Molyneux should voice a character in Fable III selling a series of board games. Each board game should be touted as the best board game ever created and far better than its predecessors.
If the player returns and suggests a particular board game is 'good but not the best ever,' the Molyneux character should say, "Yes, I'm sorry about that. But I have a new game that really *is* the best."
IMO, this would be a good way to address the issue with a little humour and humility.
If the player returns and suggests a particular board game is 'good but not the best ever,' the Molyneux character should say, "Yes, I'm sorry about that. But I have a new game that really *is* the best."
IMO, this would be a good way to address the issue with a little humour and humility.
So over dlc, pay 60 dollars for a game and now theyh want me to pay for content before,( EA) and after its released, im not trying to spend 80-100 dollars for a good game.
Dear Mr 'Goebbels' Moleneux,
Now Fable3 officially dosnt exist for me anymore!
Thats the worst and blatantly most cash milking idea ever! Who wants to play a game he know he could not finish right after he purchased it? Thats so terrible, thats the worst ive heard in a while about gamemaking.
Everyone should avoid this so called 'product' or at least wait till the Fable3 goty arrives!
Now Fable3 officially dosnt exist for me anymore!
Thats the worst and blatantly most cash milking idea ever! Who wants to play a game he know he could not finish right after he purchased it? Thats so terrible, thats the worst ive heard in a while about gamemaking.
Everyone should avoid this so called 'product' or at least wait till the Fable3 goty arrives!
@Sexualchocolate
"Natal, all about the silly minigames."
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"Natal, all about the silly minigames."
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Dixon: This is usually when SexChoc just stops posting because it's been proven that his arguments are moot and ridiculous. I'll respond for him:
Sony, 1:1, Move, Japan, PS3, MAG, God of War III, PSP!!!
Micro$oft, RRoD, crappy minigames, Natal sux, RRoD, Halo=gay, RRoD, LOLOLOLOL
Sony, 1:1, Move, Japan, PS3, MAG, God of War III, PSP!!!
Micro$oft, RRoD, crappy minigames, Natal sux, RRoD, Halo=gay, RRoD, LOLOLOLOL
Is it just me or Peter is becoming the new George Lucas? Someone needs to tell him he is doing it wrong as visionary he can get.
Fuck. This.
Don't make me pay 60 bucks for a game, just to spend 10 more every other month to complete the story arc.
Don't make me pay 60 bucks for a game, just to spend 10 more every other month to complete the story arc.
So are the main episodes going to go for cheaper or are we paying for a full game and then paying for a bunch of DLC that 'completes' the experience. I'd much rather have the full game in box, that way I can wait for it to get cheap and then pick it up.
Maybe if fable was ps3 exclusive, there would be tons more space for a longer game and maybe bring out the true peter that he so longs for himself. Just saying that bluray has given the freedom for developers who want to use it
I won't be buying this game if it's not the full package.
Just charge me $60 - I'd buy it because my wife likes Fable.
Just charge me $60 - I'd buy it because my wife likes Fable.
"Better get out the calculators and figure how much this is going to cost int he end. Honestly i think this is stupid. Id rather have the full game, right there ina case sitting on m tv so i can pop it in whenever i feel like it. not finishing 3 hours of the full game then waiting for more parts. I really hate "the vision" that some of these developers have. I mean i guess they want to push for Digital distribution but this is "Ok i got to go buy some more microsoft points for this game". why can they just finish the damn game and release it at christmas. this is starting to reek of bullshit."
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@Tubatic, et al.
I can see what you mean about London being episodic in Dickens' writings. I feel kind of stupid now.
I can see what you mean about London being episodic in Dickens' writings. I feel kind of stupid now.
I haven't read Dickens but I imagine it isn't all that different from the publishing customs of Arthur Conan Doyle, but with overarching characters rather than an overarching plot being the snag. But in CD's case, there were reasons for the episodic content - time constraints, creative energy and financial reasons, not to mention that he wrote for a periodical. I'm guessing Dickens had similar pretenses for publishing in episodes?
So what is Molyneaux's reason? "Because Dickens did so"? It's too dubious.
So what is Molyneaux's reason? "Because Dickens did so"? It's too dubious.
Guess who isn't going to be playing this one.... yep me. Thanks Peter Moneynew, you just lost a customer.
>How can so many people be so bad at posting pictures?
What are you talking about? Like Charles Dickens' London, the pictures I posted are episodic. First I download the base post, and then over the weeks the pictures will fill in! You really need to look at things more episodically.
What are you talking about? Like Charles Dickens' London, the pictures I posted are episodic. First I download the base post, and then over the weeks the pictures will fill in! You really need to look at things more episodically.
I didn't know I could be less interested in Fable 3 than I already was. I haven't been sold on episodic content yet, and maybe Fable 3 will be the game that convinces me it's a good idea...but probably not.
I think Molyneux highlights things like being able to buy DLC without using the dashboard because his games don't have anything else exciting about them. "Fable 3 has no bullshit healthbars!!!" *whispers* but the combat is just as generic as ever...*/whispers*
I think Molyneux highlights things like being able to buy DLC without using the dashboard because his games don't have anything else exciting about them. "Fable 3 has no bullshit healthbars!!!" *whispers* but the combat is just as generic as ever...*/whispers*
I still just hate the idea of downloadable games, regardless of their episodicness. I guess it's fine for smaller titles, but I always wonder will I even be able to play these games I've paid good money for in 5 or 10 years?
i am officially out, if i want a game i pay £39.99 for it, play it, then maybe buy dlc, even if i don't like it i want o own the full game on disk, not a file on a already bursting at the seams hard drive.
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