I normally abide by the "if it's in the game, it's totally fair" way of thinking, but not when it comes to things of this nature. An exploit for Modern Warfare 2's multiplayer has been found, and it's looking like a major pain in the ass. If you thought the "Martyrdom" perk was annoying, you haven't seen anything yet.
Essentially, the glitch allows you to explode upon death using a launcher, with the most popular choice being the javelin. Since the javelin has a pretty sizable blast radius, you could potentially use the exploit to take out a couple of nearby players, and make a few new enemies along the way.
Whether you find this to be highly annoying, or just plain funny, it won't be around for much longer. Infinity Ward's Robert Bowling says a fix is being worked on right now, and that it'll be submitted to Sony and Microsoft "as fast as possible."
Similarly, the update for the PC version -- which doesn't need to go through cert -- will be going out as soon as it's in working condition. Also, getting caught abusing this will result in an Xbox LIVE suspension (thanks, Knivy).
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I already used the knife setup and adding this to it has only made it better. Between this and running around with a care package nade knifing is pretty awesome.
"getting caught abusing this will result in an Xbox LIVE suspension"
To be honest, I think that's a load of bullshit. People could easily accidentally use this and get banned for a single infraction. You know what XBL kiddies are like. People shouldn't be punished for the developer making an oversight.
Hell, I know a glitch in L4D2 that lets you skip 1/2 of the first level. Doesn't mean I should be punished for it, since it's how Valve made the level. However they are normally good with that sort of thing (L4D1 No Mercy 1 for example.)
Jon B, dont be an idiot, there is no accidentally hitting this glitch, it has a pretty specific way of triggering and it is all bullshit. Developer oversights happen, and the patches are a great way to fix them. At the same time, when they can be as game breaking as this one, people should get suspended because it is OBVIOUSLY CHEATING. Not like theyre banning these kids for life dude. Stop trying to excuse it. It's less of a glitch and more of an exploit. If you dont think it is, then you havent played a game of domination lately.
Your L4D2 argument is irrelevant because it doesnt really fuck people's stats up. CoD can get pretty competitive and this really kills the actual fun of the game.
I say IW fixing this (along with the XBL server issues) as fast as possible is something that has to happen. Too many people abusing this. The exploit is a pain in the ass on Hardcore HQ as well.
I'll admit, I used it several times when it was first discovered a few days ago, but not only pull the class out when someone else on the other team is using it (a bit of individual Mutually Assured Destruction...). When I think about it though, using the class has helped me practice my knifing skills. I think about half the kills I've gotten with Javelindom have come from knifing.
Still, it's one of those rare glitches that's powerful, useful in almost every situation, and incredibly easy to pull off. As someone who is barely able to rocketjump in most shooters, I find it somewhat nice that once in a while, there's a glitch that's universal (in accessibility, fun, and in causing anger).
@Jon B:
Yeah, that sounds like horseshit to me (you could argue for bullshit though). I'm the last person to subscribe to the "if it's in the game, use it" field of thought. Not that I'm a scrub, I just don't want games to devolve into broken and unbalanced shitfests that really aren't fun for anyone. But if the dev put it in by accident, they have no right to punish you for using it. Unless you agreed to some sort of contract. Come to think of it, is that the case with Live or IWnet? Is there a clause somewhere that gives them the right to do this?
@Xzyliac:
It doesn't matter if it's an accident or not. All that matters is if the players have an agreement with MS or whoever that says they can be denied use of Live at what would basically amount to MS's whim, considering there's no real way to tell if the people using the glitch knew they were cheating (other than probability and common sense, but that doesn't count for shit matters like this).
As much i would like the temp bans to happen, what Jon B said it's true, it's something completely different than with the Halo 2 Standby or forcing host cheats.
Why would you punish someone for something you should have found in your own game? Why not just patch and forget? It just seems absurd that players who use the glitch are equal to cheaters. It's not like they went out and modded their console to use this; they're taking advantage of a developer mistake. Patch the damn thing and forget about it. Honestly, I use to BXR like crazy when Halo 2 was in it's hey day, but I was never banned. You shouldn't be banned because of a developer mistake, period.
@ Ace Flibble i totally agree. the double 1887 is much more game breaking than a little sploding personally. it's like how people treated martyrdom in the first game. a load of annoying dickery that makes for easy oneshots.
Hurpa Durpa we were too lazy to find a glitch that was found within a month of launch, what should we do? Hurpa, I know, ban them. Yes perfect idea, lets ban them for finding an in-game glitch.
Yeah, I was playing with a buddy last night and this was happening all over the place... really freaking annoying. Really annoying. My solution until IW patches this is just to mark any player who does it "avoid" so that hopefully the LIVE system will keep me from playing with said douchebags.
TBH, I agree with banning the people that do it, for a day or two. Teach 'em a little lesson on sportsmanship. Yes, everyone can do it, but let's look at it this way: in a football game everyone is capable of facemasking and stomping on already tackled players, but it's not exactly sporting now is it? The people who are doing it are taking advantage of an oversight/code glitch, but, like many other things this game isn't balanced for *cough* more than 9v9 *cough*, the game isn't balanced for exploding dead guys.
Coming from someone who hasn't played MW2, this doesn't really seem all that bad except for really close-range maps. The explosion range is enough so that you can take anybody out with shotguns or the like, but with a good rifle this almost looks like a non-issue. Also, as a CS:S player, I can attest to this possibly happening by accident. Almost tossing a grenade and then deciding it wasn't a good idea before you toss happens more times than actually throwing grenades for me, and getting destroyed shortly after is common as well. Now that this has got such publicity, though, I doubt anyone would just stumble upon it.
a "Lie Smith" was doing this to me yesterday. what a dirty butthole. also the knifing needs to be fixed. just in the situation where some dirty butthole knifer is coming straight into my firing gun and still manages to kill me. and dual wielding shotguns in dirty buttholery. so fix all that junk and i'll probably yell at my xbox less. Thank you, come again!
as soon as i read this i went online on mw2, the first game i came across people were shouting boom and all the kills were stinger/ javelin. I just had to laugh.
"Put in the context of Modern Warfare 2, suicide bombing makes sense."
It does? I'm sure some Russian somewhere has strapped a bomb to his chest and blew up, but I'm pretty sure not often enough to make any sense. They've never really needed to do that.. they've usually had something of an army.
Funny stuff. I'm never ahead of the curve enough to get up high enough in my class to do this, but I've got a better idea... Why not reset the levels of anyone caught doing this?
I'd say that's a hell of an incentive to keep people from doing it. Reset their stats and lock them out of the perk bonuses they unlocked when cheating. Xbox Live does that if they catch you scamming on your Gamerscore, do it here.
Oh, and block them from being able to hit Prestige.
I only started seeing this when that twitter comment went up. good that they're fixing it, but when are they gonna start fixing the glitch where people can hide inside rocks and be invulnerable...seem to remember that in CoD4 as well.
It ain't cheating, ya'll need to calm the hell down. Anyone getting pissed over this: Seriously? I don't expect anything less from the online crowd, and neither should you people. Banning someone for a developer mistake is not the fault of the player, it's the developers fault for not finding it in the first place. Halo 2 players weren't banned for double-shooting or BXR, and neither should these dudes. IW should accept the blame for not catching this earlier and leave it be. Don't they have beta tests and game testers for this stuff?
Yeah, I BXR'd in Halo 2, and I don't regret it. Don't like it? Stop playing the game, or learn to adapt. You shouldn't expect anything less from online gamers. And it's not like they're going out of their way to cheat, by which I mean going out to buy a mod chip to give themselves an unbeatable advantage. This may be annoying, but any good player will be able to take them down, so at least you have the chance to best them. Modding gives you NO chance, and that's why this isn't cheating.
Been using it in Domination all day. Works really well on maps where B is in a small enclosed area like Quarry and Wasteland. Just sit in the corner and knife anyone that misses you. You'll usually get shot after one kill and take out 2+ guys with you.
I'm abusing it 'til they fix it. Reactions post-game are awesome.
This could easily be a mixture of both accident and purpose.
I start to throw my Semtex grenades and change my mind by pressing Y all the time. Sure, once they found out, they probably abuse it. But the first infraction may very well have been a complete accident.
If you abuse it, PLEASE use commando pro and don't be a moron. Knife kills should be your main objective, not suicide bombing. The bomb is just INSURANCE.
Thank god, this was pissing me off so much last night. I would literally kill someone pretty damn far from me and still get taken out with the blast. I refused to play any SnD due to someone doing a suicide bombing and taking out the entire team and winning game after game after game this way.
"Why would they patch the 1887s? They work exactly as intended, and aren't game breaking in any way.
The distance they can kill from any AR can kill from, and the kill distance on the Spas is just a little bit shorter.
THIS is truly game breaking, especially on objective games"
Check IW twitter feed. They've already dropped a hint that they are nerfing the dual shotguns. Dual shotguns are crap, and it's good to know that IW knows this.
While they're in there fixing things, and this isn't a glitch but more of a balancing issue they f'ed up with when putting the game together, but maybe they could remove the double wielding shotguns thing that is ruining the game for me now that every other person is using it.
If I wanted to play Halo, I'd play Halo. GTFO of my MW2.
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5:40 PM on 12.02.2009
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Problem solved.
To be honest, I think that's a load of bullshit. People could easily accidentally use this and get banned for a single infraction. You know what XBL kiddies are like. People shouldn't be punished for the developer making an oversight.
Hell, I know a glitch in L4D2 that lets you skip 1/2 of the first level. Doesn't mean I should be punished for it, since it's how Valve made the level. However they are normally good with that sort of thing (L4D1 No Mercy 1 for example.)
Your L4D2 argument is irrelevant because it doesnt really fuck people's stats up. CoD can get pretty competitive and this really kills the actual fun of the game.
I say IW fixing this (along with the XBL server issues) as fast as possible is something that has to happen. Too many people abusing this. The exploit is a pain in the ass on Hardcore HQ as well.
Still, it's one of those rare glitches that's powerful, useful in almost every situation, and incredibly easy to pull off. As someone who is barely able to rocketjump in most shooters, I find it somewhat nice that once in a while, there's a glitch that's universal (in accessibility, fun, and in causing anger).
Also, stop changing your damn avatar.
Yeah, that sounds like horseshit to me (you could argue for bullshit though). I'm the last person to subscribe to the "if it's in the game, use it" field of thought. Not that I'm a scrub, I just don't want games to devolve into broken and unbalanced shitfests that really aren't fun for anyone. But if the dev put it in by accident, they have no right to punish you for using it. Unless you agreed to some sort of contract. Come to think of it, is that the case with Live or IWnet? Is there a clause somewhere that gives them the right to do this?
Secondary: Javelin
Equipment: Semtex
Special Grenade: Stun
Perk 1: Marathon
Perk 2: Danger Close
Perk 3: Ninja
Hilarity ensues!
It doesn't matter if it's an accident or not. All that matters is if the players have an agreement with MS or whoever that says they can be denied use of Live at what would basically amount to MS's whim, considering there's no real way to tell if the people using the glitch knew they were cheating (other than probability and common sense, but that doesn't count for shit matters like this).
That won't ever be patched i guess though.
The distance they can kill from any AR can kill from, and the kill distance on the Spas is just a little bit shorter.
THIS is truly game breaking, especially on objective games.
Will IW EVER stop making bad decisions?
its MS who bans them.... good effort get them next time.
its called the asshole tax. you play like an asshole, then you get taxed.
Put in the context of Modern Warfare 2, suicide bombing makes sense. LOL
It does? I'm sure some Russian somewhere has strapped a bomb to his chest and blew up, but I'm pretty sure not often enough to make any sense. They've never really needed to do that.. they've usually had something of an army.
Boo.
I had it done to me when i had "Fuck Forever" as my motto
serisouly ghey Fecking haxxorz
I'd say that's a hell of an incentive to keep people from doing it. Reset their stats and lock them out of the perk bonuses they unlocked when cheating. Xbox Live does that if they catch you scamming on your Gamerscore, do it here.
Oh, and block them from being able to hit Prestige.
Yeah, I BXR'd in Halo 2, and I don't regret it. Don't like it? Stop playing the game, or learn to adapt. You shouldn't expect anything less from online gamers. And it's not like they're going out of their way to cheat, by which I mean going out to buy a mod chip to give themselves an unbeatable advantage. This may be annoying, but any good player will be able to take them down, so at least you have the chance to best them. Modding gives you NO chance, and that's why this isn't cheating.
I'm abusing it 'til they fix it. Reactions post-game are awesome.
I start to throw my Semtex grenades and change my mind by pressing Y all the time. Sure, once they found out, they probably abuse it. But the first infraction may very well have been a complete accident.
Marathon. Danger Close. Commando. lolz ensues..
The distance they can kill from any AR can kill from, and the kill distance on the Spas is just a little bit shorter.
THIS is truly game breaking, especially on objective games"
Check IW twitter feed. They've already dropped a hint that they are nerfing the dual shotguns. Dual shotguns are crap, and it's good to know that IW knows this.
I have the ability to commit murder... watching the life fade from your eyes is funny. What's your address?
Heh, just jokes and all.. but your excuses for glitching are dumb. Play like you have a pair, people.
If I wanted to play Halo, I'd play Halo. GTFO of my MW2.