Although the NY Times dubbed it a "game about Nazis," this certainly isn't IITOE's intention. The premise is, in fact, a dark yet affecting story of a young child living through the horrors of the Nazi regime and hiding within his own internal world to try and block out harsh reality -- using imagination as his escape, if you will. From the general summary alone, the potential for a touching and affecting narrative is there, and nothing suggests the gratuitous shock value that some people have already perceived.
"Now, IITOE was NEVER planned to be controversial," Luc explains. "It was planned to be an educational game that was fun at the same time ... I did research on the Holocaust with survivors and loads of history books. I spent a whole year studying it."
The general contention with this game seems to be the idea that Luc is making light of the Holocaust, which isn't his intent. While he states the title is meant to be fun, Bernard also wants to teach children how very real and very frightening this period of history was, but through a medium that they can digest better than any text book -- videogames. It's a sound strategy, one that should be applauded rather than reviled. Most of us would have been taught about Hitler's regime in school, but I doubt many of us found it very compelling. IITOE wants to be the game that makes kids care about these issues.
Bernard was so intent on avoiding misplaced controversy that he thoroughly researched the atrocities of the Nazi regime, as well as worked with people from the Jewish community to make sure he was approaching the subject with the right degree of tact.
"I have been working on game design with a Jewish mother named Tracy Miller to make sure everything was good," IITOE's creator explains. "But for some reason people seem offended just by the text at the bottom of the screen that shows history facts!"
"A lot of the Jewish community have support for this game, however a lot of neo Nazis hate it on forums, and have said it will never come out."
Bernard also contests the rumors about Nintendo outright blocking the game's release. "Right now all the comments on the Internet about Nintendo not letting it come out are not true," he reveals. "I haven't heard that from Nintendo, [they're] just misquotes."
"I'm not even sure Nintendo is aware of this game, and I will make many people play it before it is even released. The game has no violent scenes at all, the only thing that might be violent is the text but the text is fucking reality."
Bernard is very eager to let the world know that the stories about it being "Holocaust DS" couldn't be further from the truth, and it's just a game "about a child set during that dark time of history." Bernard also added that despite the stupidity of the mainstream press and what it would like to present, there is more support for the game than people against it. He feels that those reporting on his work thus far are attempting to paint it as something universally despised, regardless of the fact that a good few gamers and members of the Jewish community are behind his work.
"I'm not trying to make cash off this either since I would like to donate to help against the Darfur fucking genocide. It's just to show that games can evolve and it's not just Super Mario saving the fucking princess."
Gamers state many times that they want videogames to evolve, to take that step from puerile distraction to respected entertainment and art. Gamers claim that they are sick of macho-man "gritty" shooters with all the narrative depth of a sheet of cardboard. Now is the time to actually prove whether or not you want videogames to become more than throwaway, intellectually unfulfilling endeavors. We have a game with balls, right here and now, that wants to take the medium into a place universally considered far too touchy for some "mere" game to handle. I think any game that wants to break that glass ceiling deserves our support, don't you?
Is Luc asking a lot to expect Nintendo to allow this game on its platform? Yes he is. Should it be so much to ask, however? No, it really shouldn't be.
Books, TV shows and movies are all "allowed" to talk about the Holocaust. Videogames deserve to do so as well. When a game like Imagination Is The Only Escape, which doesn't even promote a sliver of violence, is considered too risque', it only shows how prehistoric everybody's views on games are, and highlights just how badly things need to change if we ever want to see companies bold enough to bring us more than Madden and a hundred FPS'.
Imagination Is The Only Escape is a game we should all be backing, even if the odds are against it. We should be showing the world and letting companies like Nintendo know we want games to tackle a wide and interesting variety of subject matter. Games can be brave and daring as well, and we should be daring enough to give them a chance.
Luc is no Rockstar Games. He's not out to shock people. He just wants to show what games can do.
Is he really so wrong for that?
How come I've never heard of this game before?
Interesting game concept I hope it can come to fruition
Did he really have to curse so much in an interview?
Kudos to him though, I hope this gets released
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God bless him and let's hope this sees the light of day, even if it has to be indie-fied or something.
Sounds as awesome as it did last time it popped up on the radar. Here's hoping it gets an english release somewhere, so at the very least I can import it.
Just a tad of nit-picking, but why is this an "Exclusive"? Kotaku had a similar thing earlier, as well as a few other gaming sites/blogs. Not to complain; this is much more in-depth than the others I've read, but I'm not sure if it merits an "Exclusive" moniker.
Peronthious: Luc contacted me directly to expound on the game and his intentions for it. The fact that Nintendo hasn't cockblocked it is indeed widespread, but he exclusively asked me to cover the rest of the misconceptions, hence why I consider it a Dtoid exclusive.
id really like to play this. certainly sounds different.
Reaprar: Please keep that stuff for elsewhere. I'd really rather this thread not turn into a big trolling session.
Good, finally a WW2-era game that doesn't involve me, Joe American/Britain, shooting the brains out of generic German soldiers. I'd love a game to cover the true horrors of that time period. Will be looking forward to it.
I meant you AND Luc with "trolling session," in that you've had enough flame wars and I really don't my post to be home to another, that's all. So, just asking respectfully to leave the "drama cannon" on standby.
Surprising that the DS was chosen for such a game.
Good article. Digg this people. I know it'll mean digg loses one of their multitude of extremely awesome and totally non-shitty top ten articles from the front page, but it has to be done.
I completely support this game and really would love to see it shine. As a game design it's something new, and positive. Something I would like to see become reality.
Calm down there Reaprar, we don't want a trolling session between you and the spellchecker.
I for one applaud luc for doing this. This is what we need. Everyone gets so worked up about niggling little issues that have no bearing in reality, whilst at the same time trying to cover up the reality that is already there. Shit happens and has happened, but theres a difference between reawakening the horrors of the past and learning from our mistakes. This game is intended to be an educational game that takes an approach some would claim as 'trivializing' the holocaust, when really its just a method of teaching. In this case, seen through the eyes of a child, the fact he uses his imagination to escape from it shows a realistic direction and the promise of good storytelling. Many (if not all) the people complaining about this werent even born at the time of this happening, and this game clearly isnt aimed at those who were. Its a device to teach a generation, some of whom may not even understand fully what the holocaust actually was, a dark part of our history. We shouldnt just block our ears going LALALALALALA and pretend humanity hasnt done, and is doing, some pretty darn fucked up things. It happened and people shouldnt be afraid to hear it. Teaching leads to learning leads to understanding. Heaven knows half the people on this planet need a heavy dose of understanding.
I fully support the development of games like this too. I just... hope he'll find a better charity than the Darfur one. Because the last time the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. unilaterally called it 'genocide', it stalled the political progress the U.N. Darfur envoy had made for at least 5 years :/
But good ideas and a lot of spirit, hurray! We can call it the Schindler's List of gaming and claim the "it's Art!" crown and all that.
I hope this game gets made. Even with the negative hype, it could be exactly what we need.
"While he states the title is meant to be fun, Bernard also wants to teach children how very real and very frightening this period of history was, but through a medium that they can digest better than any text book -- videogames. It's a sound strategy, one that should be applauded rather than reviled. Most of us would have been taught about Hitler's regime in school, but I doubt many of us found it very compelling. IITOE wants to be the game that makes kids care about these issues."
Why should it be applauded that nowadays kids don`t seem to be able anymore to learn the old fashioned way, like books and teachers? Yes, playing a DS is way cooler and more enjoyable than reading a book, but come on! If one needs a DS to "care about these issues" then I really feel sorry for him/her.
Ehh, I'll skip on this Holocaust game. Too creepy and controversial. Also, disgusting.
Why is using modern technology to impart knowledge a bad thing? Yes there's still books and teachers out there. But for the last few decades schools have been using computers more and more to get students more interested in learning. Why shouldn't video games try to do the same thing? Hell, I retained a lot more information from playing Oregon Trail or Where in the World is Carmen San Diego than I ever did from my elementary school teachers.
Wodkaredbubu: A book like the Diary of Anne Frank (There are other good ones, that's just the popular one) can really make you aware of how horrible the Nazi regime was, but my history textbooks were so dull and politically correct that you couldn't really grasp the gravity of the Holocaust from it.
If there's one kid who hates books because of how crappy his books were in school who picks up a game or a music CD or comic book that can still effectively say "This is what happened to German Jewish kids in the 30's. Yes, they had to wear those stars. Yes they were shipped into camps that starved and overworked and gassed them," then the message still got out. We're not going to go into a Fahrenheit 451 world because people are learning new things from video games instead of books. I'm just happy they're learning instead of playing or reading trash.
I expect to see Fox turn it into a game where you actually play as Nazis and go around killing Jewish people and creating traps to murder them in the most vicious and vile ways possible. Oh, and sodomize everything that moves too. We know how Fox like to throw sex into everything too.
@pew "a better charity"?? serious wtf, there are thankfully few more fitting right now
I'm totally looking forward to playing this. I really don't see why this is such a big deal...it's just like Pan's Labyrinth. And it's not like it's a game where you play a Nazi, imprison Jewish people, and go to concentration camps....
I would actually consider buying this game for the DS just to support this guy.
What fucking retard said the game was disgusting?
I wouldn't want my kid reading about how children like them in WW2 were given sex changes, had their limbs sawed off, were injected with poison and then murdered. There is a reason subjects such as this are left until a much later stage of learning in a persons life.
It is ridiculous to expect a child to take in that information with any kind of legitimate, or realistic reasoning when the "lessons" are presented with such fantastical undertones. It wouldn't teach them anything, it would just make them fucking scared of Germans.
Yes, OK, it is information that everyone should be aware of, I most certainly agree, but making CHILDREN read that kind of thing is totally not on in my books. I have also yet to see any kind of "teachings" other than the fact that children were slaughtered.
If he wanted people to accept his game, he could have at least shown a screen with a more subtle message. Get people to realize what it is and what it's about rather than saying "THIS IS MY ART, THIS IS TEXT ABOUT CHILDREN HAVING SEX CHANGES. IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT IT YOU ARE A BLIND FUCKING MORON IDIOT BIGGOT RACIST 14 YEAR OLD"
And as Reaprar said, he has been contacting every single fucking site around to talk about this game and the education value it contains, when there has been little to see on any educational level at all.
Once again, to reiterate, I support the game and its release wholeheartedly, but not the way he is going about releasing or the fact that he is marketing it towards children.
"I wouldn't want my kid reading about how children like them in WW2 were given sex changes, had their limbs sawed off, were injected with poison and then murdered. There is a reason subjects such as this are left until a much later stage of learning in a persons life."
I don't remember seeing any of the game's concept work where the text was so graphic. If there's some out there, I'd love to see it, but I honestly don't recall seeing anything that extreme.
Sterling, you wrote "breaks" where it should be "brakes" in the last full paragraph before the Digg button.
And thats why your child will grow up to be one of the multi billion ignorant adults.
Right here Jim, via our old friend Kotaku..
http://kotaku.com/360003/exclusive-eternitys-child-creator-attempts-to-tackle-the-holocaust
@acrana
yes, the fact that I would shield my potential child from facts like this until they were old enough to understand such statements obviously shows I would be a neglectful parent.
idiot
Oh FFS! Give WW2 a fuckin rest already! THE WAR IS OVER!
@ Holiday
Oh yes, god forbid anyone should approach the subject matter from a non-violent, thought provoking angle.
Seriously, did you even read the article?
Reason number 16 why I'm a horrible person:
I kept getting flashbacks to Mario's Time Machine whilst reading this.
ha, i'm number 1337 on the leaderboards.
sw33t.
This game has my 100% backing, this is exactly the kind of thing we need to evolve. Fuck you, New York Times.
Why should it be applauded that nowadays kids don`t seem to be able anymore to learn the old fashioned way, like books and teachers? Yes, playing a DS is way cooler and more enjoyable than reading a book, but come on! If one needs a DS to "care about these issues" then I really feel sorry for him/her.
Well I don't think you should see this as a replacement for books, I think its a wonderfull way to let the children experience ( even if its in a game ) the life of children at that time...
The truth of the holocaust is very brutal and cruel, in school you get an overview of it and with this game you can teach the kid more but in the end it should be the parent's choice to show it to them.
So I suppose you would never let your kid watch the news? Or CNN or BBC for that matter... They show stuff that's almost as bad as the holocaust on that shit daily...
Get people to realize what it is and what it's about rather than saying "THIS IS MY ART, THIS IS TEXT ABOUT CHILDREN HAVING SEX CHANGES. IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT IT YOU ARE A BLIND FUCKING MORON IDIOT BIGGOT RACIST 14 YEAR OLD"
to me it kinda looks like a screen where a story is told and its just text, there is nothing graphical about it...
The truth of the holocaust is very brutal and cruel, in school you get an overview of it and with this game you can teach the kid more but in the end it should be the parent's choice to show it to them.
In Belgium virtually every kid has visited at least one German prison camp before turning 14, most schools visit them around 11/12 years old... ( I visited my first one when I was 8, it was the one where my grandfather was held for several months during the war and when I was 15 I went to Auschwitz and Birkenau in Poland, I can tell you nothing a game could ever throw at me would ever come close to the feeling of revulsion I had there, I mean I've seen the place where they did those experiments... ) I think its great to teach kids about history ( I was very fond of that subject in school ) and there's no point hiding stuff like this for them...
If this game ever comes out, even as homebrew, I would be willing to translate it fully in my own language just so that I could let the children I know play it...
Luc Bernard has my full support on this! I would get it in an instant if it became available!
Also, his wiiware-title looks absolutely amazing!
Also, thx Jim for this great writeup and clarification!
Also, cocks...
Skribble:
Thanks for showing me that. I do agree that is very harsh, and wouldn't think you were wrong for personally shielding your kid from that until it's older. However, I think an older child would definitely be able to handle it. Hell, I was reading about Gille De Rais when I was about twelve or thirteen and it didn't fuck me up.
Kids can't be put in a protective bubble all their lives, which is part of the reason why I am against banning minors from any and all violent videogame content. At some point they need to learn the prevalence or violence, not only in our culture, but in our history as well. I think it's better they start learning at a young age, otherwise they grow up quite unprepared.
But again, should you not want your child playing it, I can understand.
I see people's points about it not being suitable for a very young child. But then, when was the last time you saw a 6 year old go out and buy a video game?
I mean, if that does happen, then I guess I'm being a bit slow. But still, I don't remember that happening when I was a kid.
I relied on my parents choices at that age, up until I started getting my own pocket-money at the age of 11 or 12 which I think is a perfectly reasonable time to learn about the Holocaust.
If you're worried about your very young children playing this game, then it's simple, don't buy it for them. Or don't let them buy it themselves, if they're THAT independent already.
But for gods sake don't try and stop the game coming out. I know I'm not the only one that believes that video games should span as many subjects as any other art form, whether it be literature, film or even music.
Are films just action films? No. Are books just Tom Clancy novels? No. It doesn't matter if this particular game is very good, what matters is getting someone, ANYONE, to release a game that even tries to approach the subject.
@Jim: Totally dude. Of course I am only generalizing on the subject. It all depends on the individual child and what they are capable of, depending on how they have been raised and what they have learned. I for one was watching R rated horror movies from the age of 9 and I'm not scarred or psychotic.
I am speaking mostly of the fact that this is "marketed" towards children that makes me most uncomfortable. Like it is some kind of learning device, when we haven't even seen anything other than those 3-4 screens showing that he's written about the death of children.
Seriously, god forbid I even produce spawn a child, I'll be the first to show my it Friday the 13th to let them see the awesome humor contained within certain deaths, and I'll more than gladly let them play GTA or Manhunt. But imagine parents buying this game for their prepubescent kid, like many others, not knowing what contents it has and thinking it's a nice old platforming game with pretty graphics, only to find out their kid is asking them what a sex change is and why the Nazis created death camps to kill children.
It really just does not seem suitable to me.
My mom gave me The Diary of Anne Frank to read when I was a kid, and it made me incredibly sad, but I think it was good for me. We talked about what happened during the Holocaust, and did a section on it in school.
I wouldn't give a game like this to a really little kid, but to an older child, definitely. I fail to see why it shouldn't be on the market. We've got lots of violence and horror on our consoles already -- this is about real history, which definitely ups the level of seriousness, but luckily it isn't being displayed graphically. I have a feeling that if you're a kid and you aren't ready for this stuff you'll maybe raise an eyebrow and keep plowing through the game, soul intact.
At best it is as dangerous as a dangerous book, and dangerous books have a special place in my heart. Rate it T (13+) and now you're good. I think a responsible parent would play the game first, or with their kid, to make sure it's suitable for their particular child, but I think a 13+ rating is a good compromise for the sake of un-gamer parents. I think I was 9 when I read about Anne Frank.
@Wdot
A book like the Diary of Anne Frank (There are other good ones, that's just the popular one) can really make you aware of how horrible the Nazi regime was, but my history textbooks were so dull and politically correct that you couldn't really grasp the gravity of the Holocaust from it.
Yes, history books can be dull and boring. I should know since I`m studying history at college. But my point is: one should really not need a video game to realize how awful the Holocaust was. I`m not talking about kids at the age of 6, but kids in 5th grade or above who are likely to discuss the subject at school with their teachers. I`m not dooming any new media types for education, but a DS game about the holocaust is just not comparable to a game that teaches mathematics.
I do believe that there is a proper way of handling that subject with newer media types. In the Netherlands there are comic books about it. One is dealing with the situation in the country while beeing occupied by the germans, the other one dealing about Jews and the Holocaust. Via Spiegel.de:
One of them is now being used in German schools. I like the idea of that but I much rather like the idea that the kids deal with it at school, when there is a teacher nearby to answer upcoming questions. I don`t see kids playing DS at school during class, that won`t do it.
So far we`ve only seen 4 screens of this game and all I`ve got to say is that we really can`t tell what this game is going to be about. For example, where does it start? Does it start during the republic of Weimar, or does it start with Hitler`s rise to power? Does the game give you any infos besides the "ususal" ones (Germans killing jews)? How much knowledge of the subject should you have before you start this game? Does it give explanations for something not explainable (a kid`s mind won`t get the killing of 6 Million people because they are members of another "race")?
Its a great idea, but i feel like some of the historical points could be edited slightly to be more suitable for children. Like, simply saying they were experimented on without going into such details.
Still, a noble concept.
I really think we all need to take a step back, and wait for something more than concept art and hyperbole before we pick sides.
I see no reason why an interactive media couldn't be just as effective in conveying history as a non-interactive media like television or books.
Gamers often distance themselves from the reality of violence by indulging in hyperstylised violence without consequences or a basis in real life. Some believe this in turn causes real violence, I do not. However, could we not address real issues of violence? I would like to think our media is mature enough to do so.
However, the trick will be whether Luc can produce something that does not trivialize the horrific and shameful events of the holocaust.
I'll be very interested to see the final product. Thanks for the writeup, Jim.
My son loves playing his DS, he is 6, and at some point he will learn about the things that happened at that point in history. But i would not let him play this game at his age, maybe when he's closer to 10 - 12, and at that point he will be playing games that don't look so graphically "young" eg, it looks like a a mario platformer. So is the game marketed towards kids, like 6-8 or is it really "young teens?" I play 360 when he's in the room, he has no trouble watching violence, he definitely isn't shielded from these things in our culture, but when he reads those Facts like in the screen shots above, his imagination will kick in and will probably look worse than any actual in game depiction that could have made it into a game someday. For now the closest he will get to Nazi WW2 history will be Wolfenstein 3D.
That's because you're a good parent mgmgarcia, it's the rest of the Fox News viewers that's the problem. (OK, that's lumping, but you get the picture)
The truth about the holocaust game is that it never really happened.
Fascinating topic, and I think this has been one of the most diverse comment threads I've ever read on Dtoid. I've actually read this article and the responses four times since it was originally posted, because it is a lot to take in at once.
First, video games, at least at an indie level, have shown to be a means of portraying this kind of information. My biggest concern with this is that a lot of these attempts have been really poor, and might make it difficult to legitimize the video game as a medium for discussing this topic. Luc's speech during the interview makes it difficult to take him seriously as a game designer... not that game designers aren't necessarily vulgar or arrogant, but the fact that he would be in a public interview could potentially give a bad name to people pushing for this effort.
Second, Skribble brought to our attention that some of the text is indeed quite violent, and not meant for younger children. I think this just indicates the need for a more adult rating on the game... I don't know if it necessarily warrants an "M for Mature", but certainly something to indicate the violent material depicted. However, why not release a game for a more mature audience on the DS? There's over 65 million of them out there, and they can't all be in the hands of children.
Third, if this game does flounder for some reason, I would hope it gets made available to the masses via the interweb. I think it could still hold a lot of its impact through cyberspace.
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