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Exclusive Destructoid interview: Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg on GTA IV photo

By now, you’ve surely heard of the record-breaking sales performance of Rockstar’s gangster opus, Grand Theft Auto IV. According to a Take-Two press release, GTA IV set new records for sales in not only the videogame industry, but across the entire entertainment spectrum as well. Within the first 24 hours of its release at midnight on Tuesday, April 29th, approximately 3.6 million copies were sold worldwide, which amounts to about $310 million. First-week sales totaled an absurd six million copies, bringing in over half a billion dollars.

However, all is not rosy in Rockstar’s world. The first week after launch was marred by widespread reports of problems with joining multiplayer games on the PS3 version (which were remedied by a patch released yesterday), as well as persistent lockup issues on both consoles. Of course, the mainstream media and parents’ groups have a had a field day this past week, repeatedly calling for Strauss Zelnick’s head, among others, along with such things as government involvement to “save the chilluns”.

Regardless, gamers around the world have been playing GTA IV like there’s no tomorrow; it displaced Call of Duty 4 as the most-played game on Xbox Live, and over two million achievements were unlocked on the first day. Accordingly, GTA IV is a major part of Microsoft’s Xbox 360 marketing push in 2008; in fact, there was a 54% jump in 360 console sales last week. But like a freight train, Sony’s black beast has slowly been gaining steam, and the greater part of the year is still left for an epic battle of light versus dark.

As always, we’re looking for some deeper meaning in all this, such as the viewpoint of an industry higher-up. To that end, Destructoid was able to secure an exclusive interview with Aaron Greenberg, Director of Product Management for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live. He gave us his thoughts on GTA IV’s performance at the cash register and online, along with some perspective and confidence regarding the console wars. Hit the jump to check it out.



GTA IV screen 1

Destructoid: According to Take-Two, GTA IV has set new records for entertainment sales with over 6 million copies sold in the first week (totaling over $500 million) and 3.6 million units moved in the first 24 hours (approximately $310 million). This is, of course, a new record for videogames (beating Halo 3’s first-week sales of $300 million). But more significantly, it far surpasses the film industry as well — the highest-grossing week for a film came from Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End ($401 million worldwide). Going forward, what do you think this means for the videogame industry?

Aaron Greenberg: Sales of “Grand Theft Auto IV” have been nothing short of incredible, even for a game with such high expectations, I think we are all stunned to see that it sold 6 million units in the first week. From the Xbox perspective, this is exactly the kind of response we were hoping for because not only is the game selling well, but it is driving console sales at retail much like Halo 3 did for us last holiday. Our actual sell-through data from last week is showing that Xbox 360 sales had a 54% lift in sales week over week and we are hearing that four out of every 10 consoles sold left the store with a copy of GTA IV. This is not only good for us, but a good sign for the games industry as a whole. With all the news today about the weakening economy and high gas prices, video gaming is now looking more and more like a great entertainment value for many gamers and families alike.

The holiday season Xbox Live outages angered a lot of people, and Microsoft eventually gave away Undertow to make up for the problems. Could you speak a bit about efforts to shore up Live in anticipation of the GTA IV release to prevent those kinds of systemic issues from happening again?

Well first I really want to recognize the Xbox Operations Team that has done amazing work behind the scenes to make sure that we were ready for the biggest game launch of the year. This team has been working behind the scenes 24/7 to make sure that we had the right incremental capacity and proper infrastructure in place for the launch of GTA IV. I am happy to report that despite the record volume on the service and ton of new accounts created these guys did fantastic work making sure that the service just worked when you turned on your console and that you could find your friends and access the now over 17,000 items available on the service. The great thing is that all of the work this team has done to add servers, balance capacity and frankly test the hell out of the network has set us up nicely for the rest of the year.

GTA IV screenshot 2

Well, whatever you guys did, it appears to be working — most reports mention that the GTA IV online multiplayer experience is smooth on Live, while PlayStation 3 users have been having numerous issues getting into games. Have you had any problems with playing GTA IV, either online or offline?

Thanks and yes we have been really pleased with the performance of the game both online and offline, I mean look at the reviews, GTA IV is now the highest-rated game ever on Xbox 360 with a Metacritic scrore of 99 out of 100. The only issue I am currently having with the game is trying to get that damn ‘One Man Army’ Achievement, how the hell are you supposed to avoid the cops for 5 minutes, especially the way I drive? But wow, how about that multiplayer, is it just me or did Rockstar really up the bar here for a game like this? Frankly, I cannot wait to see what they have up their sleeves for the downloadable episodes coming to Xbox 360 this fall. However, as you noted, I do feel bad for the PS3 owners who have not been able to experience the multiplayer component of the game, we realize that those guys are gamers just like the rest of us and not being able to get online and play with your friends sucks. It is kind of funny because we have been asked by a number of partners if there was a way we would license Xbox LIVE to other platforms to ensure a great online experience in every game.

The upcoming 360-exclusive downloadable content for GTA IV is a big selling point for many 360 owners. But many people aren’t concerned about that at this point, choosing instead to focus on the extensive single-player and multiplayer experiences on the disc. Do you feel as if the DLC is something that doesn’t matter as much because what’s already there is so massive, or are you excited for its release later this year?

I think GTA IV gives consumers a lot to enjoy right now, from the missions to the massive open world of Liberty City to the multiplayer modes including co-op, you get a lot of game for your money. But remember that our industry is very seasonal and 70% of console sales come in the second half of the year, so I think it is reasonable to expect that GTA IV will likely be a top-selling title even this holiday for new Xbox owners. So when you think about that and the fact that we will be the only place you can get the exclusive episodes, our story in the second half of the year is going to be really strong.

GTA IV screenshot 3

Bundling a free month of Xbox Live Gold with GTA IV was a wise move, but since it’s rather rare for Microsoft to do that with any game, could you speak of the specific reasons behind the decision to do it with GTA IV? Were you anticipating that many people who bought GTA IV would become new Live subscribers?

We knew that GTA was the type of game that would drive a lot of new consumers into the market. We also knew that a lot of those GTA fans would be upgrading to this generation from the PS2 and we wanted to make it as easy as possible for them to get online and get the complete Xbox LIVE and GTA experience. The other nice thing is that this also means we are giving current gold members an extra free month on us. The initial results shows that this worked pretty well with over 2.3 million people playing the game on LIVE in the first week alone.

Assuming you’ve been playing GTA IV, how far along are you, and what’s your personal opinion of the game?

I think the game is incredible, I am playing both online and offline every single moment I have and have not played a single other game since it launched. I would give it an 11 out of 10 if you ask me. ;-) On that note, I have to give you guys some credit for the awesome GTA IV write-up that Ron did, he nailed it and we all had a good laugh here in the office reading it and looking at the pictures.

LittleBigPlanet screenshot

Lastly, the PlayStation 3 has a number of important exclusive titles — potential system sellers — coming in 2008, including Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, Resistance 2, and MotorStorm: Pacific Rift (along with, of course, PlayStation Home). Is Microsoft confident that its slate of releases this year will be enough to combat what many perceive is a slowly growing momentum for Sony’s black box? And do you think that the hype behind (and success of) GTA IV will be able to sustain the 360 until its own heavy hitters come along?

I know a lot of folks enjoy watching the console wars and we would never underestimate our competition. But answer to your question specifically, didn’t Sony promise all of this last year including Home as well? We have been fighting Sony’s promises from the day we entered the market and if you remember at that time it was all about PS2 being an online cybercity with partner announcements from the likes of RealNetworks and AOL. Then three years ago at E3 they showed what PS3 games would supposedly look like with the Killzone 2 video, that we are now learning will ship four years later. That means that we will have shipped Gears of War and Gears of War 2 before they can even get Killzone out the door. Think back to GDC 2007 when Sony promised to leap ahead in online with the Sony Home unveil. Here we are two years later and multiple delays for a product that has appears to have little to no buzz. Where are the achievements? The friends list integration across all games? Where is the long-promised video store? Where are all the other products using and networking with their CELL chip? How come Blu-ray did not result in better games? What happened with Sixaxis and rumble? Where is the complete 1080p game library we were promised? If Blu-ray as they said would be such a catalyst to PS3 console sales, then why have PS3 sales over the past couple months not seen any lift since the format victory?

The reality is that Xbox 360 is leading this generation with a larger installed base, more than 2xs the games library, the most exclusives along with the leading online service and community. While we have not yet announced all of our plans for the full year, I am confident that we will extend our lead over the PS3 in 2008. Today Xbox 360 has a 5-million-unit console sales lead on a global basis based on most recently public reported data from both companies. This includes more than double the installed base in the US according to actual NPD sell-through and over a 1-million-unit lead across Europe also based on reported sell-through from Chart Track and GfK.

The days of Sony snowing the consumers and the press are over, I think the pressure is now really on them more than ever to deliver on all of these promises.


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44 comments | showing # 1 to 44

Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 20:15
Y0j1mb0
Damn..I have nothing to comment. Ron took 'em all.
NightDehumidifier's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 20:18
NightDehumidifier
Well I hope he can prepare for the failure when GTA IV comes to Japan on the 360. What Japan likes is what the world likes, so expect 98% of Earth to be complete dorks when Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu 15 outsells GTA IV in All-Glorious Nippon.

Now who picked the wrong game?
Tromboned's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 20:21
Tromboned
I would have liked to hear a question about the Wii directed at this guy.
tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 20:31
tazarthayoot
SO YOU TALKED TO AARON GREENBURG ABOUT THE VIDJA GAMES!@?!?!?!
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 20:39
Cheeburga
AHAHAHH
WE GON TALK ABOUT VIDJYAA GAEAEMMZZZZZZZ
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 21:18
cjpkiller
did you get a zune?
Zatsuga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 21:26
Zatsuga
GTA IV is clearly a must have for everybody, and I for one am absolutely loving it (I'll complete SP story tonight), but there are a lot of games I consider "must-have" coming eventually on the PS3:
MGS4 + PS3 bundle
God of War III
Final Fantasy XIII

And I know I'll likely want to get:
Gran Turismo 5
Killzone 2

Compare those with the 360 exclusives:
Banjo Kazooie 3
Left 4 Dead (also on Steam)
Ninja Gaiden II

Then there are the shared platform games (that I'm leaning toward getting on the PS3, though not with good reason):
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Fallout 3
Resident Evil 5
Alone in the Dark
Mirror's Edge

For me, it's these last five games where M$ has to convince me to get the 360 version. Looking forward to all these releases in the next two years.
Zatsuga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 21:28
Zatsuga
Oh, umm, epic comment is epic? Maybe a cblog post in the making...
Professor Pew's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 21:34
Professor Pew
Great read, but it the way that guy phrased the last bit makes it sound like they are definitely feeling the heat from Sony. Come on guys, compete and give us great games!
Detry's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 21:37
Detry
Great interview, I was touching myself the whole time while reading it.
deanhatescoffee's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 21:49
deanhatescoffee
Aaron Greenberg is a pimp.
ParticleReality's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 21:53
ParticleReality
His last comment really clicked with me. Everything he talked about was exactly the reason I got my Xbox 360 last year.

Sure, The playstation 3 has games I want on it like White Knight Story and Killzone 2, which is a shocker because I hated the original, but those games wont hit until 2009 or later.

Hopefully from now on Sony will stop promising the moon and the stars when all they can deliver is one of those "You own a star in the 25th nebula" certificates.

Oh and before we get deep into playing list wars(Zatuga noooo!), can we please note that Microsoft has several games they haven't announced?

Oh and lets try to talk about game confirmed to come out in 2008 please :)


P.S. I hope Kingdom Hearts 3 is multiplatform is comes out when the PS3 is $300 or lower. Man, I have a huge boner for Sora. I wanna make love with him and lick his huge feet.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 22:03
DaedHead8
I liked the interview but his response to your last question sounded like a troll rant to me. All I could think of was "kill it with fire! Kill it with fire!"
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 22:37
mix
Psh 360 fanboy....lol
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/08/2008 23:51
Corak
Good interview, and yea guys his last comment sounds like a "fanboy" rant to you or a troll, because quess what, he works for Microsoft. Did you expect him to concede defeat in the face of Sony's recent push? Fuck no. You can be a cocky son of a bitch when you have the console sales and online functionality to back it up. And that's coming from a PS3 owner. While the PS3 is doing better recently it has a FUCKTON more ground to gain to even come close to the total console sales of the 360, much more than most of you realize.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 01:36
Dexter345
Nice interview. I was a bit taken aback by that last part. He really drove home the reasons why everybody should hate Sony and the PS3 in it. I guess people on the Internet are starting to forget these things in lieu of the promise of MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet?
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 02:27
ParaParaKing
Console War II corporate trash talk is trash.
Xbudz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 03:02
Xbudz
I love the fanboy bait, but its sooo 2007.

I'm going to let the games speak for themselves this year.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 04:27
mistic
great interview, and the guy is obviously a gamer himself making his comments all the more valid...

I own all 3 consoles this generationa and as a PS3-customer, I'm asking myself the exact questions he's putting forward in his last answer...
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 06:51
wardrox
This guy sounds like a total fanboy :-P
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 08:00
fetusmilk
so how many people out there with 360's and GTA4 got a RROD soon after first playing GTA?
Ocified-Xboxer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 08:26
Ocified-Xboxer
That last parapragh and some was some dead-on, accurate-as-a-mother-fucker type shit. Sony does have a penchant for making proclomations that they either can't hit at all, or come close to but never fully relize over the lifespan of their consoles.

Sony got bitch slapped at the end, and I don't think anyone can really argue with that assessment...Except for Krazy Ken.

Nice interview though...And Workman with the bigtime mention FTW!
PetiePal's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 08:37
PetiePal
Samit awesome interview. I didn't give too much thought to the included 1 month Gold Live card in my copy, but it really was quite a strategic move. Now just to convince my sister my 13 year old nephew is ready for these games :P It's time to "up his arsenal" from Ratchet and Clank crap.
SteamyV's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 09:19
SteamyV
Came in here for the vidya gamez. Leaving satisfied.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 09:26
Demtor
He makes a good case for XBOX 360 and I'm sure it sells with plenty but still no MGS4 AND let us not forget that Team ICO's next game is still slated for PS3 only. Whether that will remain true or not we shall see but I'm not even taking the risk of missing out on their next game. After Shadow of Colossus, anything they make is an instant pre-order from this guy.
leyego's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 09:56
leyego
check ur facts buddy
the wii is currently winning the console war and everyone is dragging behind, and yes it is taking part in the console war at this time so don't exclude it
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 10:13
Holyetheline
Calling Sony out on broken promises. Nice.

I enjoyed this write up, it's amazing how well GTA IV did. I wonder when the next game to knock it down from the top will be?
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 10:26
galagabug
great read, nice job!
daCuk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 10:41
daCuk
While they keep fighting Sony, Wii still sell more than the sum of the two of them.

Keep on talking....
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 10:49
king3vbo
He liked Ron's article?

That guy is outta control
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 11:22
MechaMonkey
He read Destructoid? What happened to professionalism in the industry?
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 12:00
Corak
@Wrath
"This includes more than double the installed base in the US according to actual NPD sell-through"

That's what I was commenting on rather than worldwide sales.
Ocified-Xboxer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 13:58
Ocified-Xboxer
Whil nobody argues with the sales numbers of the Wii (can't), I wouldn't call Nintendo winners in the respect that they have a great set up of games. Sure the console moves, and that is what Nintendo is enjoying, but the market they created, and the software they are moving are different entirely than that of MS or Sony.

MS and Sony have tried to capture part of the casual market, so to speak, but Nintendo is dominating that area...But when it comes to games with real depth, Nintendo falls short...With most, if not all, the big games that sell are Nintendo properties, not 3rd party stuff...

I haven't bought a Wii (though I have played it plenty at my cousins house, and she is a 'new' gamer, and over 40) and don't plan on it soon, as it isn't a sound investment for me. Aside from SMG, LoZ, and Metroid, there isn't anything on the system of interest. Okami can be gotten on the PS2 (although Samits write-up for the Wii was stellar)...And maybe 1 or 2 other third party games I may/may not be driven to buy.

Aside from Mario, and GH3, and a few mini game collections on the Wii my cousin doesn't sink nearly the money I do into games...And that is where Nintendo will fall short. They only have so many in house IPs that they can put out, and the reason they get snatched up (aside from being good) is that they are the reason most gamers bought a Wii...Not for Raving Rabbids...Not for Trauma Center...If moved consoles were all it took to win the console war, the Wii would be the clear winner. But it isn't and won't ever be. It's what you buy to support the console that will determine the winner...And that winner will be MS or Sony, not Nintendo.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 14:10
Samit Sarkar
@Ocified-Xboxer: I agree with pretty much everything you said. As far as I’m concerned, the Wii does not directly compete with the PS3 or 360. However, I didn’t write the review for the Wii version of Okami; you’re thinking of Jonathan Holmes.
thisissami's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 14:27
thisissami
@PetiePal

"It's time to "up his arsenal" from Ratchet and Clank crap. "

you are an idiot. go play any of the games from the series before calling them crap.



also, i don't know why he's so happy that with their numbers... the 360 was around a full year before the PS3... and the PS3 has been outselling the 360 for a several months in a row now (except for one where the 360 sold like 2000 more)... i agree with what he says about sony speaking too early and delaying half of their products, but for the most part i think they're definitely doing a lot better than microsoft... though they definitely were idiots for not releasing their specs to rockstar and not getting GTAIV as an exclusive.
hexfix93's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 16:03
hexfix93
yup I would rather have the delaystation 3 than a console that would break after using it hardcore and having to wait months for them to fix it, wipe my hd, and make me start all over..

no matter how bad sony is with its delay, the console works. it doesn't break and make me wait to use it. and now that more games are out, guess what, i have plenty of things to do on the ps3 that makes me happy.
Jiffylube's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 18:34
Jiffylube
This interview had the potential to be great but failed to address the point. GTAVI, although it seems entirly unrealized, marked a great moment for sony. The X360 and PS3 copies both have their upsides, we know that by now, but all the cool little things that came with the 360 version came with Microsofts ability to pull resources and throw money.
1.They bought DL content from Rockstar.
2.Their multi player support is superior because they provide and regulate their own servers. (this is btw an often argued upon business model.)
The GTAVI PS3 edition's benefits on the other hand; their greater draw distance, The ability to utilize the hard drive to end end load times in a sandbox environment, and the improved graphics provided by better contrast output and pallet support. are the results of a simply superior platform.
The point is for the first time we see a developer who can create something on the PS3 that isn't possible to reproduce on the X360. Microsoft spent 50M to BUY exclusive content so that bloggers could write about that, rather than the 360s faults.
Greenburg should be more careful with his words when talking to a blog where the readers are smart enough to read between the lines. Where is PSHome? Where are the read from BR games? 1080p Content? Sixaxis? (Cool btw on GTA). Integration?
Jiffylube's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 18:41
Jiffylube
Continued.

This is called potential. Microsoft knows that. Greenspan is thinking about that. Microsoft is facing the fact that the only potential they have left is the potential to try to talk their way out of a programing wall they built for studios.
konchu's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 19:29
konchu
The last rant was pretty dead on at things that have irked me about Sony and I think with the Blogs becoming a major media source they have been put in their place and have been forced to get better. And I think that is for the best cause the Sony that is slowly coming out now is a little closer to the Sony I loved in the PS1 days.

People arguing there are not enough good exclusives on 360 PS3 or even Wii for that matter this year need to open there eyes. There are tons all around to be enjoyed its easy to put on the blinders.

A little aimed at Jiffylube(sorry but hey) all the consoles still have potential and I honestly have not yet saw a game that couldn't be done on the 360 as well that has been released on the PS3. There are some arguments that Blu Ray is needed and I do not doubt it can help especially in putting more content on the disk. But I still don't look at the HD installs as a feature seems to me that people were saying Blu Ray was a bit slow(I'm looking at you Moterstorm) not as fast as the current DVD and now alot of the new PS3 games are having Mandatory installs hmm. How is this a bonus feature the load time on Devil May Cry were maybe 2 seconds longer on the 360 and were really short anyways. And other than the main load on GTA4 I don't see were you are getting these major loading times from.
Heops's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/09/2008 23:44
Heops
Heya... M$ I got an idea ... why not make a bluray 360 or an add-on drive(aLa the hddvd player) and you have yourself a PS3 killer!
reddiamrum's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/11/2008 23:16
reddiamrum
LOL, microshills.
Too Much Coffee Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/19/2008 16:33
Too Much Coffee Man
I'm happy w/ my 360. Only problem i have w/ it is the impending RRoD. I hope MS comes out w/ a Slim 360.

I'm happy w/ my PS3 too, but I agree w/ Mr. Greenberg; Sony has talked a lot and delayed a lot. I'm still waiting for global friends list and cross game invites. PSN is pretty worthless w/o it IMO. I could care less about HOME; imo it's just Sonys way of getting more microtransactions. Make games easy to launch & easy to organize with friends; that's all i want.
kahveciler's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/19/2008 23:04
kahveciler
"This includes more than double the installed base in the US according to actual NPD sell-through"
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That's what I was commenting on rather than worldwide sales.
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