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I think this is one big fat DUH.
Sony is a Japanese company and as such, is stuck in the last decade in terms of what's hot and what people want.
Sony is a Japanese company and as such, is stuck in the last decade in terms of what's hot and what people want.
"360 succeeded because Sony wasn't smart"
Because rushing out your console knowing it was faulty as hell is totally smarter.
Because rushing out your console knowing it was faulty as hell is totally smarter.
Well now I don't think they'll be able to regain that share. They had a chance to play on RROD somewhat, but even now the PS3 suffers from inferior ports and the misconception that Xbox Live is better than PSN. The next generation for me is all about pricing (of consoles) and used-games policies, since I don't normally have the money for RRP pricing of games.
Yeah, no one can really deny that the move from PS2 to PS3 was a rough ride for Sony on a number of fronts.
Same reason why the PS2 did so well in the previous generation. What was it up against? The original Xbox, which came in too late to do anything, the GameCube which looked awkward with its miniDVDs and was poorly marketed, and what, the Dreamcast? Would that even count? We all know what happened there anyway.
Next generation, Sony get cocky and drop the ball, Microsoft cut in and level the playing field.
Next generation, Sony get cocky and drop the ball, Microsoft cut in and level the playing field.
I kind of agree actually. Being a Sony "fanboy" (it's the only system of the big three that I personally own), I still waited for about a year or so after its release to purchase it.
I'm sure people having to buy multiple xboxes because they were pieces of shit when they first came out (and the fact that many people are idiots) helped Microsoft out too.
I'm sure people having to buy multiple xboxes because they were pieces of shit when they first came out (and the fact that many people are idiots) helped Microsoft out too.
I always knew I'd eventually get a PS3, but it just wasn't different enough from the 360 I already had for me to run out and get one until they hit the price point I was waiting for. I can't be the only person who felt that way.
I've had three 360s, all of which broke due to shoddy construction. It's the only console I've ever had to replace. So MS have had my cash three times, now that's what I call success. Of course, next generation they'll have to build a console that gives blow jobs if they expect my money again.
Hardware issues aside, Microsoft did a great job of following a gameplan and making a console that feels cohesive. Sony's strategy with the PS3 has been "skilsaws and duct tape".
If you guys take your personal emotions out of the equation, you know this is true. Sony went from 1st to 3rd in record time and even the RRoD couldn't save them. Only now are they finally digging themselves out of a hole they dug.
"We all know what happened there anyway."
People wouldn't give it a chance for they got burned with sega's previous consoles, holding out vor PS2 which promised (yet never delivered) cgi graphics and a cheap DVD-player.
People wouldn't give it a chance for they got burned with sega's previous consoles, holding out vor PS2 which promised (yet never delivered) cgi graphics and a cheap DVD-player.
the Rrod is nit even a factor any more . they sold u faulty units that pissed alot of folks off but ms still had something people wanted to buy. i went through 2 consoles warrenties payed for both and i still got a third when the slim came out. why ? because despite its failings i still had a good time with the platform. sony dropped the ball on price and look how quickly it caught up with xbox when the orice dropped. so quality will always take a back seat to price.
"and hopefully it learned its lessons."
They dumped Ken "$600 is too cheap!" Kutaragi. It takes longer to mend bone than to break it, but at least I'd say they're definitely on the mend now.
They dumped Ken "$600 is too cheap!" Kutaragi. It takes longer to mend bone than to break it, but at least I'd say they're definitely on the mend now.
$599 for a console was pretty insane at the time, coupled with the early problems devs were having with the cel processor. Still, I think Sony has righted the ship pretty well lately. Microsoft has been coasting on good exclusive titles for the last 2-3 years.
Pretty much what I expected.
Sony wasn't ready for the new breed of gaming, and now the only people left supporting the system are ignorant fanboys desperate to justify it.
Sony wasn't ready for the new breed of gaming, and now the only people left supporting the system are ignorant fanboys desperate to justify it.
And now that MS is on top, like Sony and Nintendo before them. Their heads are up their asses and they will screw up next generation.
It's in corporate DNA to become greedy and out of touch with reality when you are on top.
The best example is Apple, but it's beyond me how they are still on top with their heads so far up their asses it's almost back out of their neck.
It's in corporate DNA to become greedy and out of touch with reality when you are on top.
The best example is Apple, but it's beyond me how they are still on top with their heads so far up their asses it's almost back out of their neck.
The PS3 could have sold 12 units total and id still consider it a massive success soley based on how well built and supported the thing is. I keep waiting for it to die but it just wont quit.
He's pretty much right. They've been ballsing up great products left and right ever since the PS3 launched.
The price point was the really bad part, and being hard to develop for has some perks, but not enough to be worth it.
I don't suspect they will make the same mistake, but man they are doing poorly compared to just a few years ago. I hope they pull through, because I really like the Sony brand, it feels very proud, but I think they had become too proud.
I don't suspect they will make the same mistake, but man they are doing poorly compared to just a few years ago. I hope they pull through, because I really like the Sony brand, it feels very proud, but I think they had become too proud.
"Sony wasn't ready for the new breed of gaming, and now the only people left supporting the system are ignorant fanboys desperate to justify it."
Is that why 360 and PS3 are almost neck and neck worldwide, despite a year gap? Grow up. MS only has Halo and GoW as killer aps, not including CoD which everyone has. Between those and their rediculous "pay to see ads" online, next gen will be a stark lesson that their reign is over.
Is that why 360 and PS3 are almost neck and neck worldwide, despite a year gap? Grow up. MS only has Halo and GoW as killer aps, not including CoD which everyone has. Between those and their rediculous "pay to see ads" online, next gen will be a stark lesson that their reign is over.
This tends to happen, which makes fanboy levels of brand loyalty to one console maker or another look even sillier. Nintendo ran into this issue with the transition from SNES to N64. Sega pulled this kind of mismanagement regularly.
Sony actually acted this way for two generations in a row. They did the same thing with the PS2, but sailed through what could have easily been a rocky start due to an insanely exaggerated hype bubble. Well into this generation I regularly encountered people who swore up and down that the PS2 was the most powerful console of its generation even tho both the Gamecube and original Xbox trounced it in graphics capabilities, even Dreamcast games looked better than early PS2 games. Some of the early PS2 hype videos and demos showed off graphics that weren't possible outside of pre-rendered cutscenes until the current generation! And it worked so well for Sony that such "bullshots" became a regular part of game hype for a long time afterwards.
Now we're starting to see that attitude with Microsoft. Finding more ways to BS and squeeze their customer base. We'll have to see just how far they'll push it, tho.
You see this sort of thing with game developers, too. Just look at EA and Capcom.
Sony actually acted this way for two generations in a row. They did the same thing with the PS2, but sailed through what could have easily been a rocky start due to an insanely exaggerated hype bubble. Well into this generation I regularly encountered people who swore up and down that the PS2 was the most powerful console of its generation even tho both the Gamecube and original Xbox trounced it in graphics capabilities, even Dreamcast games looked better than early PS2 games. Some of the early PS2 hype videos and demos showed off graphics that weren't possible outside of pre-rendered cutscenes until the current generation! And it worked so well for Sony that such "bullshots" became a regular part of game hype for a long time afterwards.
Now we're starting to see that attitude with Microsoft. Finding more ways to BS and squeeze their customer base. We'll have to see just how far they'll push it, tho.
You see this sort of thing with game developers, too. Just look at EA and Capcom.
i had 3 360's that red-ringed - each time a quick phonecall and the xbox was picked up the followin couple days and returned a couple of weeks later - sometimes with 3 months free xbox live (a couple times with just one months free). this never cost me any money over the 3 years until i finally received a console which stills chugs along quite noisily. this is not ideal a situation but i cannot fault microsoft on their customer service and satisfaction i had with them.
my ps3 was an impulse buy which i almost instantly regretted. both it and the xbox have gathered dust since i put a decent gamin rig together. my wii on the otherhand, i still use reguarly.
my ps3 was an impulse buy which i almost instantly regretted. both it and the xbox have gathered dust since i put a decent gamin rig together. my wii on the otherhand, i still use reguarly.
"Sony wasn't ready for the new breed of gaming, and now the only people left supporting the system are ignorant fanboys desperate to justify it."
This comment is nearly as stupid as the guy who somehow managed to attribute Sony's mistakes to them being Japanese. You may not realize it, but except for the few exclusives (of which the PS3 has far more to offer), 95% of games on both consoles are exactly the same.
This comment is nearly as stupid as the guy who somehow managed to attribute Sony's mistakes to them being Japanese. You may not realize it, but except for the few exclusives (of which the PS3 has far more to offer), 95% of games on both consoles are exactly the same.
Good! This sort of thing sometimes needs to happen to a huge company to teach them humility, next generation will bring technology that is more easy to design for and of similar make, regardless of better or worse quality tech, so that developers will find it easier to port over their games from either original platform.
Maybe quite a few games more will be designed for the PS4 platform first before they port it over to the next MS platform, name unknown.
Maybe quite a few games more will be designed for the PS4 platform first before they port it over to the next MS platform, name unknown.
Even if you set aside the architecture, the price-so-prohibitively-high-that-people-outright-laughed-at-the-announcement was the real final nail in that launch coffin.
Sony have eaten SERIOUS amounts of humble pie as of late, and they have realised, that in just about every area of their business, there is a fearsome competitor who can make just as good or better products, and charge less for them.
Reading about the company's changes as whole (not just PS3) paints a picture. They have seemingly learned that they aren't the gods of the electronics world (anymore?) and have started focusing their products a bit more, which is very good.
I for one LOVE the PS3. Always have plenty of games, and haven't had any bad ports yet, and my Xbro friends STILLLLLLL bring up the OLD FUCKING "argument" about Xbox live. Sure, inviting is easier etc bla bla, but for a free service, PSN is perfectly functional and great.
Also, I get far more exclusives every year, which I love. Plus great media capabilities and a blu-ray player, and 5.1 DTS sound, and 3D and enhanced drug trafficking, etc etc etc.
Not going to give all that up so that I can pay £36 a year to party chat with 2 friends like once every 6 months: "Sup holmes... sup... totally didn't waste my money... sup!"
Reading about the company's changes as whole (not just PS3) paints a picture. They have seemingly learned that they aren't the gods of the electronics world (anymore?) and have started focusing their products a bit more, which is very good.
I for one LOVE the PS3. Always have plenty of games, and haven't had any bad ports yet, and my Xbro friends STILLLLLLL bring up the OLD FUCKING "argument" about Xbox live. Sure, inviting is easier etc bla bla, but for a free service, PSN is perfectly functional and great.
Also, I get far more exclusives every year, which I love. Plus great media capabilities and a blu-ray player, and 5.1 DTS sound, and 3D and enhanced drug trafficking, etc etc etc.
Not going to give all that up so that I can pay £36 a year to party chat with 2 friends like once every 6 months: "Sup holmes... sup... totally didn't waste my money... sup!"
"sony wasn't ready for the new breed of gaming, and now the only people left supporting the system are ignorant fanboys desperate to justify it," the ignorant fanboy exclaimed aloud! Soon after, he started masturbating on to his system of choice, making sweet, biased love to it like no other fanboy before him had ever done.
@atik atak
What is this bizarro world in which you live? You use your wii and not your ps3/360? Are the pyramids inverted? Do cats and dogs live together?
What is this bizarro world in which you live? You use your wii and not your ps3/360? Are the pyramids inverted? Do cats and dogs live together?
Pretty much agreed. The PS3 was just too damn expensive so people went with the 360 that was way cheaper and had a decent library by 2006. Sadly xbox live, expensive peripherals and the RROD in the end made it just as expensive.
I`m curious to see what happens next gen.
I`m curious to see what happens next gen.
Funny how something can succeed so well by selling out to shovelware. We all know if it wasn't for Kinect the 360 would have been far behind the Ps3 now. Have fun being Nintendo next gen MS.
He never said the PS3 was a failure, but Sony severely mismanaged the transition, which allowed Microsoft to come in and have such a huge market gain. lets face it Sony dominated last generation, but allowed others to come in and compete, should have never been close.
Yay!!! Are we going to get a story from a former airline pilot telling us that the sky is blue??
Meh...Sony's marketing gaffes didn't matter to me. I bought PS3 first and it was the right decision. Just a better, more capable, more complete machine.
I used to say my 360 was my Netflix machine, but ever since they changed the Netflix interface for XBL, I can't even be bothered to use it for that. We put the 360 in my 12 year old's room so he'd stop pestering us to play the PS3.
...unfortunately, he'd still rather play the PS3 in the man cave than the 360 in his room, despite the nice HDTV we bought for him. Guess I was right.
On the plus side...Gears Of War had a nice atmosphere going for it. I almost cared enough to finish GoW2. Ehhh...who am I kidding, I got bored of it shortly after mortaring that big, toothy monster that came out of the cave.
My kid tells me GoW3 was awesome, tho.
Meh...Sony's marketing gaffes didn't matter to me. I bought PS3 first and it was the right decision. Just a better, more capable, more complete machine.
I used to say my 360 was my Netflix machine, but ever since they changed the Netflix interface for XBL, I can't even be bothered to use it for that. We put the 360 in my 12 year old's room so he'd stop pestering us to play the PS3.
...unfortunately, he'd still rather play the PS3 in the man cave than the 360 in his room, despite the nice HDTV we bought for him. Guess I was right.
On the plus side...Gears Of War had a nice atmosphere going for it. I almost cared enough to finish GoW2. Ehhh...who am I kidding, I got bored of it shortly after mortaring that big, toothy monster that came out of the cave.
My kid tells me GoW3 was awesome, tho.
@nitex
Yes, being first and selling the most consoles in a generation is certainly something to be ashamed of.
I'm honestly just poking fun at you, but people really need to understand this is a business, and unfortunately the people who have been gaming for a long, long time are now vastly outnumbered by the filthy casual scum. If shovelware sells that's what we'll get.
Yes, being first and selling the most consoles in a generation is certainly something to be ashamed of.
I'm honestly just poking fun at you, but people really need to understand this is a business, and unfortunately the people who have been gaming for a long, long time are now vastly outnumbered by the filthy casual scum. If shovelware sells that's what we'll get.
Yup they should have taken advantage of their customers every step of the way like you guys.
Sony did make some mistakes but but ms made just as many, its just no one called them on it because they were the popular guy.
As a console maker you really can't make a bigger mistake than mass console failure. And timed exclusives just turned gamers against gamers and did nothing for the industry but make everyone's life harder and the internet far more annoying than it already was.
And then there was pay gate live which set the trend for online passes everywhere, something everyone enjoys.
At the end of the day MS hype machine is what really made them, hell even I bought into it. They now have GTA 4 now too annnnd that does what for me. Resources now have to be divided up between two consoles which means the game will be worse, why was I excited for that? Instead of everyone buying the console it was good on now everyone gets a mediocre game.
And that easier to program for thing was a double edge sword, yes easy to program for but it hit its ceiling around year 2, we just didn't realize that till two years later. Then because all multi plat titles must be equal by some unwritten rule that was made this Gen the ps3 hardware never got taken advantage of.
All that did was further the quality between exclusive games and multi plats and when the inevitable happened devs started crying about not selling enough and used this as an excuse for every BS move they have pulled from dlc abuse to online passes.
Now that I think about it MS's business first approach to everything seems to be indirectly responsible for alot that's wrong with the industry today, they got there lead by getting over on people like me, what's worse is I let em because I bought into the hype, shame on me I guess.
Sony did make some mistakes but but ms made just as many, its just no one called them on it because they were the popular guy.
As a console maker you really can't make a bigger mistake than mass console failure. And timed exclusives just turned gamers against gamers and did nothing for the industry but make everyone's life harder and the internet far more annoying than it already was.
And then there was pay gate live which set the trend for online passes everywhere, something everyone enjoys.
At the end of the day MS hype machine is what really made them, hell even I bought into it. They now have GTA 4 now too annnnd that does what for me. Resources now have to be divided up between two consoles which means the game will be worse, why was I excited for that? Instead of everyone buying the console it was good on now everyone gets a mediocre game.
And that easier to program for thing was a double edge sword, yes easy to program for but it hit its ceiling around year 2, we just didn't realize that till two years later. Then because all multi plat titles must be equal by some unwritten rule that was made this Gen the ps3 hardware never got taken advantage of.
All that did was further the quality between exclusive games and multi plats and when the inevitable happened devs started crying about not selling enough and used this as an excuse for every BS move they have pulled from dlc abuse to online passes.
Now that I think about it MS's business first approach to everything seems to be indirectly responsible for alot that's wrong with the industry today, they got there lead by getting over on people like me, what's worse is I let em because I bought into the hype, shame on me I guess.
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