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Ex-Bungie dev: Killzone 2 could be done on Xbox 360 photo

Ex-Bungie developer Christian Allen has claimed that Killzone 2 could "totally be done" on the Xbox 360, despite the natural claims from Guerrilla and Sony that it could not. The now-indie dev states that the 360 and PS3 really aren't all that different, and that KZ2 does nothing that the 360 couldn't handle, if the team behind the game felt like making it work.

"Oh yeah, Killzone 2 could totally be done on 360 if Guerrilla wanted to," Allen told HipHopGamer. "The tech is there, if the team and the publishers were motivated, they could do it, just like Halo could come to PS3 if MS didn’t own it. It really comes down to console exclusivity. The tech differences between the PS3 and the 360 aren’t all that much; it’s really about the delivery of content."

We hear this "could only be done on the PS3" stuff a lot, and I think most of us can smell the corporate bullsh*t when it happens. What do you think? Is Killzone 2 so good looking at the 360 couldn't handle it, or is Mr. Allen on the money when he says it could sit at home on either console? Fanboys, start your engines!








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hitnrun's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:45
hitnrun
Despite the Call of Duty: Fanboy Warfare over topics like these, it really just comes down to the Blu-Ray.
Bulkmailer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:45
Bulkmailer
I just went to hiphopgamer and their header is weird, actually that site is just strange.
SPY-V's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:46
SPY-V
I think it could but I am playing it right now.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:48
pedrovay2003
I'm sure it could be done on the 360, but like what I'm assuming about Final Fantasy XIII, it wouldn't be as good.
WEBCOMICFAN's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:50
WEBCOMICFAN
xbox 360 is the best system
ps3sucks
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:51
fetusmilk
i love the RROD in the eyes!
funran's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:53
funran
yeah of course it could be done, but i dont think its gonna look 100% the same, and it might have been on 4 discs. This is why I'm getting XIII on PS3 and not 360. One disc, and playing the game for the system it was built for will end up making a better looking and feeling game.
Shirley Temple's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:54
Shirley Temple
Did he really just compare Killzone 2 and Halo 3 graphics wise? REALLY?!

It's like those people who look at Dali or Da Vinci and say "Psha, I could do that too. ...if I really wanted to."

In fact, he almost exactly said that same thing. Sure they're Indie, now. But working that long for M$ makes anyone a fanboy.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:55
Wedge
Hay I bet my PC can run anything either of the consoles can at twice the resolution and framerate! Most graphical limitations are in your art team and not your platform now anyways (obvious exclusions omitted).

Also I like the subtle shooping on the eyes thar.
IronPikeman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:55
IronPikeman
I have a hard time respecting someone's opinion like HipHop Gamer with all of his misleading articles of which 75% are opinionated. He puts up a title like "Killzone coming to 360" and only supports that statement with opinion rather than factual points.

Also, I think it comes down to how much space the game takes on a BluRay disc and if it would be able to transfer over to a dvd without any issues as well as Guerilla agreeing to it. Very doubtful, but not impossible
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:57
Sharpless
I don't see why it couldn't be done. The divide between the two consoles really isn't that great visually, despite whatever the fanboys will claim. We've already seen both sides of the coin, with 360 ports looking inferior and PS3 ports looking inferior.

But continue measuring your penises. I understand.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:58
WarZombie
There might be a slight graphical difference, but it could be done on 360. Don't get me wrong, KZ2 is a fantastic looking game, but nothing the 360 couldn't handle (but like I said, just not on the same exact scale).

And on the topic of space, I doubt KZ2 would take up more than one disc. I'll give you Final Fantasy XIII, but KZ2 could fit on one disc.

I want a PS3 already :(
bluexy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 15:59
bluexy
Jim just likes to post something like this everyday so he can read all the fanboy comments.
Nogarda's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:00
Nogarda
Gear of War = Exhibit A
Gears of War 2 = Exibit B
Halo 3 = Exibit C

I'm also pretty sure Resident Evil 5 has zero graphical difference.
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:00
dip
haha oh wow
skankerzero's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:02
skankerzero
If anything, it would have higher res textures on the 360.
Askherserenity's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:06
Askherserenity
@Shirley Temple
He didnt compare Killzone 2 and Halo 3 graphic wise. He just meant that Killzone could be done on the 360 if it wasnt for the exclusivity...just like Halo 3 could be done on the PS3 if it wasnt owned by Microsoft.
BlackDove's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:06
BlackDove
Wouldn't work.

No mandatory installing on the 360.

But if you could, then yeah, obviously, you can do it. Would probably look better, xbot handles lighting in a superior fashion.
CodeFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:12
CodeFire
- KZ2 takes up around 50 gigs
- Uses the cell processor to it's current limit for all the lighting effects, many graphical filter layers, physics, and other graphical settings

If the game was drastically compressed and lowered in settings - then yeah, it's totally possible...
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:13
Chronic Logic
Stale joke, but whatever.
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:16
gamadaya
Yeah, if the 360 had Blu-ray. 360 has the muscle for any PS3 game that currently exists, and for the ones that will exist, with the possible exception of that one game with like 256 players on a battlefield. But that has nothing to do with the games graphics.
AngelsDontBurn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:16
AngelsDontBurn
I'm sure it could.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:16
Hiltz
Microsoft:I could do it too, ya know!

Sony: Nah uh!

Meanwhile...

Nintendo: It prints money!!
Loogibot's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:22
Loogibot
Anything you can do, I can do better
I can do anything better than you
No you can't
Yes I can
No you can't
Yes I can!
jorgedc's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:22
jorgedc
HOW DO YOU DARE COMPARE XBOX SHIT TO PS3?

HOW DO YOU DARE COMPARE HALO TO KILLZONE 2?

HOWDO YOU GONNA PLAY A 50G BLU RAY GAME IN A POORSHIT DVD DISC READ MICROSHIT??

YOU ARE A FAT AND A SLUT PEDO FATBOY...SORRY YOU EARNED :D
John Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:25
John Johnson
I think that the ultimate test of this will be to see whether or not a Metal Gear Solid 4 port comes to the 360. When you consider that this was done with MGS:2 and therefore is not completely out of the realm of possibilities, it seems likely that an MGS:4 port would come to the 360, were it technically possible. Businesses like money and at this point, if someone hasn't bought a PS3 to play MGS:4, they're probably not going to.

So if it comes over, statistically equal, we'll know for sure that 360 is a match for PS3. Otherwise, it will all just stay speculation.
IronPikeman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:28
IronPikeman
wow...just wow
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:31
aaronf
@gamadaya:

Actually, 256 players on the battlefield does have something to do with the game's graphics because the more objects you have on the screen, the harder the GPU has to work to render them all.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:33
CelicaCrazed
But could the 360 support the PS3 titles that will surpass Killzone 2?? Magic 8-Ball says, "Ask Again Later."
habslove's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:34
habslove
Haha HipHopGamer is so terrible. Any article that mentions them loses all credibility.

And lol @ the fanboys.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:40
Aurain
Ex-Guerilla dev says this = Credibility
Ex-Bungie = Bullshit

I'm guessing Ex-Bungie means he's a member of Microsoft's bullshit division.
Usedtabe's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:41
Usedtabe
"Computer says no"
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:53
Monodi
@Chronic Logic

I heard the Wii version comes in a crate.
papero2's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:56
papero2
Now lets see, we have an opinion of someone who ACTUALLY reached that level of graphics. And another opinion from a developer of a game with average graphics.

Hmm thats a tuffy.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 16:57
MechaMonkey
Sharpless hit the nail on the head. Feel free to keep comparing two consoles that use different technology to achieve arguably the same result. As Allen said, on either console it comes down to the skill and dedication of the developers, not the hardware specs.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:01
Monodi
I will laugh if the Wii2 has a capacity better than the PS3 taking in mind they keep aiming away of it.
boots555's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:13
boots555
It might be able to be done, but i don't think its gonna look the same at all. It would take more then one DVD for sure. I would really love to see a MGS4 port just to see how the two builds would compare.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:13
Darren Nakamura
I'm still not convinced that the technical abilities of either system are different enough from one another that one could have a game the other couldn't. I don't doubt that Killzone 2 could run on the 360.
Kalmah's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:14
Kalmah
Was this during April Fools day? "LOL GAIS, I WAS JUST KIDDING... THAT GAME IS WELL OVER 40GIGS AND IT WOULD REQUIRE OVER 9,000 DVDs TO GET IT RUNNING. APRIL FOOLS GAIS!"

/thread
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:28
pascuz46
Halo 3 could totally be done on the PS3, but that's if Bungie wanted to.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:31
TheDreadHawk
Wait.

50 gigs? What the fuck is that used for?
Mushman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:34
Mushman
What CelicaCrazed, Aurain and Codefire said.

IT can be done, but what will be lost in the translation, that's the real question.
ChillyBilly's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:48
ChillyBilly
But can you cook a steak on the 360?
funran's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 17:48
funran
I think that the division isn't that big right now, it's still there though. But i think we'll find over the years that the 360 is getting closer to hitting the roof graphically, and ps3 will have a few years after that said roof. Just a guess though.
LostSoulDX's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 18:00
LostSoulDX
I think it could run just as good on the 360. PS3 having Bluray doesn't mean anything. We haven't seen a lot of games utilizing that extra space right now, so why is everyone making a big deal about the Bluray factor?
glandseck's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 18:03
glandseck
Coming from someone who's worked with both platforms: He's right.
There's two main differences when it comes to data:

1- The xbox has 512mb of memory to deal with in any fashion, while the ps3 has 256 times two: 256 for graphics and 256 general purpose. It forces you to work with 256mb max for texture and mesh data (which is why the graphics on ps3 ports may look weaker if it's a very graphics-intensive game). If the mesh stuff isn't your bottleneck though, you're fine.

2- PS3 has bluray. 360 games generally use dual layer dvds while ps3 games typically use single-layer bluray. 8 gigs versus 25'ish. That's a lot more space, though you can't load more stuff than what you can throw into memory. 25 gigs is *huge* and you'd be hardpressed to need this amount of data for a game, unless you have a lot of fmv. 8 gigs is plenty for most productions and whatever extra data that you may have over dvd can probably be shrunk in the name of optimization. Whoever is using all 25 gigs of a bluray disc either hasn't been compressing or cleaning much, or is using a whole lot of fmv, which makes it very easy to split discs.
Nyteshade's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 18:06
Nyteshade
Since the computer FPSs I buy have yet to break the 15 Gig mark, I still call the whole "uses the whole BR disc" argument bull. When it comes to an RPG with hundreds of scripted events and thousands of lines of dialog, then your talking 50 GB (without any compression). MMO's on the PC are just starting to break the 30 mark. Even a really high def FPS isn't using 50.

On topic, both systems have their strengths, just like nVidia and ATI cards. It all comes down to how devoted and talented the developers are, and their access to time, equipment, and cash. Killzone 2 was Sony's love child, it had all three thrown at it and it turned out well.
Dennen's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 18:10
Dennen
I think that the game could be on the 360. Number of discs has nothing to do with whether it can or cannot. But considering that it's coming from a Bungie developer, I question how much he actually knows about developing on the Playstation 3. How much does he actually know about its power if he has never developed anything of that level on the platform?

I also think it was silly of him to bring Halo into the discussion. Halo is a clean imaged game, not graphics intensive. It would have been better suited for him to say "Gears of War" in my opinion.
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 18:20
DaedHead8
Of course it could run on the 360. With enough tinkering you could get KZ2 on a GameCube. This whole situation reeks of duhhhhhh to me, in more ways than one.
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/02/2009 18:40
Johnny Justice
I don't know enough to debate this. But as far as the number of discs hurdle goes, it hinges on whether multiplayer be played on one disc.
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