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That's the first picture I've seen of Ono in a while where it doesn't look like he's had 2 grams of cocaine and drank fresh goats blood.
In an interview, Ono was asked about Mortal Kombat, since, from it's release it's been very successful(at this year's EVO, it's first ever, it had more entrants than BlazBlue AND Tekken) he went on to talk about how Eastern fighting games being more technical and strategic, whereas Western-developed fighting games being more about the end-result, hence the 'fatality'.
What does Ono do since last showing SFxT? Adds Street Fighter's version of the Fatality, the Super. So, forgive me if I have posted this before, but:
What does Ono do since last showing SFxT? Adds Street Fighter's version of the Fatality, the Super. So, forgive me if I have posted this before, but:
Rammstein: I honestly have no idea what you're getting at with that. Pretty much every Capcom fighting game since SSF2T has had supers. You have actually played fighting games right? Doesn't sound like you exactly have the strongest grasp of the genre.
I've been playing fighting games since 1991, so I'm pretty sure I know fighting games. My point had nothing to do with the addition of supers. You seem to have missed my point, so why don't you try reading my comment again and get back to me, k?
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To Rabite's credit, I also had some trouble reading what you were getting at. Could you explain it again?
I'm not sure what you are referring to has been added since the last showing that is equivalent to MK's "Fatality"
To Rabite's credit, I also had some trouble reading what you were getting at. Could you explain it again?
I'm not sure what you are referring to has been added since the last showing that is equivalent to MK's "Fatality"
Not to mention that supers are nothing like fatalities. Fatalities don't have any gameplay purpose, they're just for show.
@Jesse Cortez: I was referring to the addition of a "Super Combo"(Think Ultra in SSFIV:AE) to SF cross Tekken. I don't have the link handy but I'm pretty sure Dtoid covered the story(if I didn't read it here then it was one of the fighting game specific sites) when it was announced that the inclusion of Super's were being put into the game, that were not previously there.
I realize that Super's have been in just about every damn Street Fighter game but when the first one in years comes along that DOESN'T have one, the game is shipping up to be unique in that it doesn't rely on having a big 'flashy' finish, ones gets tacked on after all for god-only-knows why. That and because it was Ono's biggest critique of 'Western' developed fighting games. His hypocrisy, is mostly what I was referring to.
I realize that Super's have been in just about every damn Street Fighter game but when the first one in years comes along that DOESN'T have one, the game is shipping up to be unique in that it doesn't rely on having a big 'flashy' finish, ones gets tacked on after all for god-only-knows why. That and because it was Ono's biggest critique of 'Western' developed fighting games. His hypocrisy, is mostly what I was referring to.
@Rammstein
Thanks for clarifying! However, I disagree that the Supers in SF are similar to the fatalities in MK. In fact when it comes to the Supers, there are many times where it would be smart NOT to use it to end a match, since you'd want to save your meter for other skills necessary, such as partner cancels. For me, supers are just another tactical tool in the SF repertoire to be used to deal damage to the opponent (comparing to MK, they are more like the X-ray moves)
I think what Ono is referring to by the "Fatality" is that, to him, the joy of winning the match of the "Wester" developed game is that the point of the game is to win in order to get the option of doing a fatality, whereas in "Eastern" play, the using your tools to achieve a win is the point of the game.
Not sure I completely agree, or if thats what he means, but I don't think he is being hypocritical with that.
Thanks for clarifying! However, I disagree that the Supers in SF are similar to the fatalities in MK. In fact when it comes to the Supers, there are many times where it would be smart NOT to use it to end a match, since you'd want to save your meter for other skills necessary, such as partner cancels. For me, supers are just another tactical tool in the SF repertoire to be used to deal damage to the opponent (comparing to MK, they are more like the X-ray moves)
I think what Ono is referring to by the "Fatality" is that, to him, the joy of winning the match of the "Wester" developed game is that the point of the game is to win in order to get the option of doing a fatality, whereas in "Eastern" play, the using your tools to achieve a win is the point of the game.
Not sure I completely agree, or if thats what he means, but I don't think he is being hypocritical with that.
I was referring to this interview more than the Super's as a whole. And by 'Super' I was referring to how you can hold a regular Hadoken and at level 2 it becomes an EX Hadoken, then at 'level 3' it becomes a Super, in SF x T.
@Narishma: Ok, then. Tell me, how do you feel about 'X-Ray' moves in Mortal Kombat? ;)
@Narishma: Ok, then. Tell me, how do you feel about 'X-Ray' moves in Mortal Kombat? ;)
@Jesse Cortez: bad timing is bad(on my part) but yeah, that's what I was talking about. I'm not sure how Supers will be fully utilized in SFxT, especially since it sounds like Ono doesn't even know himself(yet) but in terms of SSFIV(or AE) you don't use your Super to finish because it's essential for many reasons and since the Ultra doesn't carry over to the next round, its more reasonable to finish with THAT. However, since Ono-san's comments were made before the full extent of Mortal Kombat(9)'s tournament viability were established, they are in essence, no longer valid. This year's EVO is a testament of that.
I just want it to be known that the Ultra's and Super's, while still a technical game mechanic, are still 'flashy' and a fancy 'end' to the 'means' just like MK. And speaking of EVO, high level play in MK usually ends with NO Fatalities performed, since their new/freshness honeymoon period is over. And yes, Ultras/Supers are now most like X-Ray moves in MK.
I just want it to be known that the Ultra's and Super's, while still a technical game mechanic, are still 'flashy' and a fancy 'end' to the 'means' just like MK. And speaking of EVO, high level play in MK usually ends with NO Fatalities performed, since their new/freshness honeymoon period is over. And yes, Ultras/Supers are now most like X-Ray moves in MK.
I agree they are flashy, but I think thats the difference between Ultra/Supers (and X-ray) versus Fatalities. The first two actual have a purpose in the game whereas Fatalities don't. I just think his point was that the Western way of thinking is to have something in place thats flashy just for its own sake versus it being part of the technical gameplay. I'm sure Ono-san wouldn't have a problem with X-ray moves.
But like I said, I dont necessarily agree, I just see his point with the Fatalities bit. MK, while is not my game of choice, has techincal stuff like Breaker and X-ray that are what makes the game, not necessarily the Fatality. And like you said, he would probably think different after seeing some of the stuff at EVO this year.
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But like I said, I dont necessarily agree, I just see his point with the Fatalities bit. MK, while is not my game of choice, has techincal stuff like Breaker and X-ray that are what makes the game, not necessarily the Fatality. And like you said, he would probably think different after seeing some of the stuff at EVO this year.
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@Rammstein: Ultra isn't always the best choice for a finish, either.
I get what you're saying, but I think you're straight up wrong about his "hypocrisy." The sun burst finish is fun As far as I understand, these supers will take along time, so they're not even that viable.
Plus, I believe the very first video of SFXT had Ultras that have since been removed.
I mean, I'm just getting the vibe that you don't like Ono (which is fine) and like saying rude things about him rather than actually making a point. Is SFxT not technical and strategic? Do supers or ultras take that away?
No matter what, Fatalities are not an ends to a mean. They are pure show. Basically, I totally disagree with what you said.
I get what you're saying, but I think you're straight up wrong about his "hypocrisy." The sun burst finish is fun As far as I understand, these supers will take along time, so they're not even that viable.
Plus, I believe the very first video of SFXT had Ultras that have since been removed.
I mean, I'm just getting the vibe that you don't like Ono (which is fine) and like saying rude things about him rather than actually making a point. Is SFxT not technical and strategic? Do supers or ultras take that away?
No matter what, Fatalities are not an ends to a mean. They are pure show. Basically, I totally disagree with what you said.
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