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I got the trial a couple of days ago. I didn't know what exactly was going on so I flew around space a bit and did one and a half missions. I don't think I'll be going back to it but DAMN space is pretty.
"The way a battle is won in EVE Online is by having the strongest ship. If your ship is weaker, you'll die. Simple as that."
This statement is untrue for a variety of reasons. If you mean to say that a ship equipped with good modifications will do better than a ship with poorly chosen modifications then you're right, but it doesn't diminish the game at all. Slot choice in EVE is extremely important and one combination will not work well in all situations.
I find it strange that you would review an MMO without putting in more time, as it is to be expected that the type of person that plays these games is willing to invest at least a few months of time. I understand that you had to give it a score and you didn't enjoy the game, and the review is a good representation of what many new players feel. EVE is a game where the players are given a sandbox in which they can experience fun in whichever way they choose, and the game does that well. It is not meant to be a hand-holding experience as the player community generates most of the action within game.
I believe that someone who played the game more would have more exciting stories than "I got randomly shot/randomly shot a noob", as working within a corporation or a pirate group tends to be more interesting then the tutorial.
This statement is untrue for a variety of reasons. If you mean to say that a ship equipped with good modifications will do better than a ship with poorly chosen modifications then you're right, but it doesn't diminish the game at all. Slot choice in EVE is extremely important and one combination will not work well in all situations.
I find it strange that you would review an MMO without putting in more time, as it is to be expected that the type of person that plays these games is willing to invest at least a few months of time. I understand that you had to give it a score and you didn't enjoy the game, and the review is a good representation of what many new players feel. EVE is a game where the players are given a sandbox in which they can experience fun in whichever way they choose, and the game does that well. It is not meant to be a hand-holding experience as the player community generates most of the action within game.
I believe that someone who played the game more would have more exciting stories than "I got randomly shot/randomly shot a noob", as working within a corporation or a pirate group tends to be more interesting then the tutorial.
I've heard horror stories from my friend's evil friend. He just uses this game to steal money from people. It seems that is the only reason that people still play this. I doubt anyone will ever find fun with this title, unless they just hate life.
@marxisforlife I played for a week. How much time is a person expected to spend on this game before it becomes fun?
@ Tarquin- Dude, why does everyone always try to slap people with that sort of logo? I agreed to try out EVE online with my WoW buddies and they said the same exact thing to me. I'm still stuck at one of the intro missions because this game is so god damned confusing. Believe you me, this has nothing to do with not wanting to try new things. It's about having fun.
From my short experience with EVE Online (I'm gonna give it another shot, but with extreme caution) I have had more keyboard slamming moments then not. Understanding the interface takes quite a bit of time, but I didn't fault The Witcher for it so I won't fault this. What is inexcusable about it is how distant everything feels. I do not feel like an epic pilot taking on tasks of exploring the universe. I feel like a player, struggling to come to terms with where his mouse is supposed to click. Again, I will try it once more, but I'd not recommend it at all.
From my short experience with EVE Online (I'm gonna give it another shot, but with extreme caution) I have had more keyboard slamming moments then not. Understanding the interface takes quite a bit of time, but I didn't fault The Witcher for it so I won't fault this. What is inexcusable about it is how distant everything feels. I do not feel like an epic pilot taking on tasks of exploring the universe. I feel like a player, struggling to come to terms with where his mouse is supposed to click. Again, I will try it once more, but I'd not recommend it at all.
@Klarden ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh my. I am not recommending a game that takes a "few months" to get fun.
I agree, EVE as a concept is cool, but the gameplay is some of the most boring and unfriendly that has ever been created. How it survived its early days and grew into a profitable game boggles my mind.
EA had a space MMO, it was pretty crappy, but it made more sense that it would be successful than EVE, but look at what fate allowed to transpire... Bad Fate, BAD!
EA had a space MMO, it was pretty crappy, but it made more sense that it would be successful than EVE, but look at what fate allowed to transpire... Bad Fate, BAD!
@Destin
At least the month they paid for, I guess. I can't make a general rule for what people find fun (neither does EVE).
At least the month they paid for, I guess. I can't make a general rule for what people find fun (neither does EVE).
@marxisforlife I know and the review is my impression of the game. I realize that a lot of people enjoy it. I did not. Not at all.
Actually, this review is spot on. If you come into it with nothing, as it was written it exactly as it is, however.... if you have a friend that plays and can get you into a coporation that has money, or even if you get loaned a character, you can be in a decent ship (given to you for nothing) and off having battles with the other peeps in your crew. I was lucky enough to have a mate in GoonFleet, at the time they kicked BOB out of their homespace and I dropped right in to the large fleet battles and such. Without the help its the most lonely game I've ever played and it is very unforgiving with the learning curve of a brick wall.
And yes, a lot of it is stealing money from people. My mate has a lot of stories of him swindling people out of everything, and then he tells me how much it costs irl for some of the stuff. It a bit like legal theft as its in a computer game so you can be a crook and get away with it.
And yes, a lot of it is stealing money from people. My mate has a lot of stories of him swindling people out of everything, and then he tells me how much it costs irl for some of the stuff. It a bit like legal theft as its in a computer game so you can be a crook and get away with it.
I like this review.
I really dig the stories that come out of EVE. Take overs, corporate espionage, the most complex player run economy and its various exploits. Its all amazing emergent gameplay at its most dramatic. For this, EVE is certainly in a position to be revered and studied and all that.
But it also sounds like the barrier for entry is astronomical at this point. And for that, as the review describes, the game fails anyone that would not be interested in pparticipating.
To be fair, WoW fails in the very same way, with regards to having some in game means of encouraging guild play. Corporation or guild play is likely where one can find the most rewarding times in an MMO, yet much of it is handled, logistically, outside of the game interface. For a more casual or even console oriented player, this is kind of an EPIC fail. Loads of information is passed to a player through in game learning and systems.
It also speaks to the community, which I think is completely fair to factor into the score. If the community sucks for the way you want to play, then that's a failure. Harshly so, considering there are always good apples out there. But if your system is such that continued progress feels like complete futility, and there isn't some separate recourse to that agressive play(non-PVP servers, no-kill status, player or moderated policing of griefing), then you're effectively shooting yourself in the foot. No matter how many people become interested in what EVE can offer at its upper Eschelon, the gap is way too wide.
I've gotta wish EVE Online continued success, because I think its an important game in the canon of the hobby. But am I inspired at all to put in that sort of commitment to get there? For reasons described in this review, I can't say I am, at all.
I really dig the stories that come out of EVE. Take overs, corporate espionage, the most complex player run economy and its various exploits. Its all amazing emergent gameplay at its most dramatic. For this, EVE is certainly in a position to be revered and studied and all that.
But it also sounds like the barrier for entry is astronomical at this point. And for that, as the review describes, the game fails anyone that would not be interested in pparticipating.
To be fair, WoW fails in the very same way, with regards to having some in game means of encouraging guild play. Corporation or guild play is likely where one can find the most rewarding times in an MMO, yet much of it is handled, logistically, outside of the game interface. For a more casual or even console oriented player, this is kind of an EPIC fail. Loads of information is passed to a player through in game learning and systems.
It also speaks to the community, which I think is completely fair to factor into the score. If the community sucks for the way you want to play, then that's a failure. Harshly so, considering there are always good apples out there. But if your system is such that continued progress feels like complete futility, and there isn't some separate recourse to that agressive play(non-PVP servers, no-kill status, player or moderated policing of griefing), then you're effectively shooting yourself in the foot. No matter how many people become interested in what EVE can offer at its upper Eschelon, the gap is way too wide.
I've gotta wish EVE Online continued success, because I think its an important game in the canon of the hobby. But am I inspired at all to put in that sort of commitment to get there? For reasons described in this review, I can't say I am, at all.
I played Eve on and off a couple of times, the biggest issue EVE has is the BIG learning curve. And the game seems so vast that after a while you feel like you don't know what to do and if you don't have any friends that are old players to introduce you to the late game aspect you may come to the same conclusion as this review.
But I still think EVE is the most amazing MMO ever created, and i must applaud the fact that they didn't give in to mainstream, watering down the game, like Wow did - wow is a joke from what it used to be, now even a 6 year old can play it and that is fine - more $$$ in blizzard's pocket!
EVE is not that, and it doesn't even want to be! What i love in EVE is that you don't find stupid players that do stupid things in the late game because they didn't get there just by throwing a few clicks in a NPC chat window and by killing some scorpions and giant rats for 2 weeks!
But I still think EVE is the most amazing MMO ever created, and i must applaud the fact that they didn't give in to mainstream, watering down the game, like Wow did - wow is a joke from what it used to be, now even a 6 year old can play it and that is fine - more $$$ in blizzard's pocket!
EVE is not that, and it doesn't even want to be! What i love in EVE is that you don't find stupid players that do stupid things in the late game because they didn't get there just by throwing a few clicks in a NPC chat window and by killing some scorpions and giant rats for 2 weeks!
Is this review supposed to be a joke? I don't get it. Why is this guy reviewing Eve as a whole? That's already been reviewed to death back in 2003 or whatever. Isn't this supposed to be a review of the expansion pack and whether or not it's worth a purchase?
If you hate Eve (which is fine, I tried it.. didn't get into it) why would you review its expansion pack?
That'd be like walking up and asking me if you should buy an expansion pack to a game I don't particularly like already. What's the point? IMO it totally makes your opinion null and void.
If you hate Eve (which is fine, I tried it.. didn't get into it) why would you review its expansion pack?
That'd be like walking up and asking me if you should buy an expansion pack to a game I don't particularly like already. What's the point? IMO it totally makes your opinion null and void.
I think someone going into Eve should know what to expect and thus giving it a 4 or a 10 or whatever at this moment is pointless; Eve is what it is, and for those who have the time and patience to master the game, it's an unforgettable experience. Expecting the game to hold your hand is a wrong outlook though, in my opinion. Stalker wouldn't be the experience it is if the game held your hand the whole time and neither would Eve.
Much like Mount & Blade or Red Orchestra, Eve is a game driven by the player. Not that M&B and Eve don't have very bad quests that could be done better or some streamlining done to make for a more fun game, but they're unique, challenging and ultimately rewarding games, depending on the outlook of the player of course.
Much like Mount & Blade or Red Orchestra, Eve is a game driven by the player. Not that M&B and Eve don't have very bad quests that could be done better or some streamlining done to make for a more fun game, but they're unique, challenging and ultimately rewarding games, depending on the outlook of the player of course.
@runtheplacered
Agreed. This just seems like an excuse for someone who has no idea what they're getting into to try something for a few days and decide he doesn't like it.
This game is hard. This game is brutal. This game is frustrating. This game also consumed me for the better part of a year. If you actually put the time into it, it's worth it. Sometimes.
Agreed. This just seems like an excuse for someone who has no idea what they're getting into to try something for a few days and decide he doesn't like it.
This game is hard. This game is brutal. This game is frustrating. This game also consumed me for the better part of a year. If you actually put the time into it, it's worth it. Sometimes.
Fantastic review Destin! My thoughts exactly. I think my 14 day trial just now expired... Over the first 3 days I was really enjoying it and knew it was going to be my thing. But after that it got harder and harder to enjoy, for all of the dullness and other reasons you have mentioned.
I really wanted to just jump into some interaction with some other players, but to fill out a application? Nah, no thanks. Best review I've read, you covered I think everything, except maybe the interface? Great review.
I really wanted to just jump into some interaction with some other players, but to fill out a application? Nah, no thanks. Best review I've read, you covered I think everything, except maybe the interface? Great review.
@Astalano so a guy or girl grabbing this game off of a shelf is supposed to know all of this information about the game? I took some time to learn about the game but they will not.
@ Dustin
If you buy games off the shelf without knowing anything about them then you deserve to get burnt. I'm sorry but I was thought to be more careful with my purchases so that point falls flat!
If you buy games off the shelf without knowing anything about them then you deserve to get burnt. I'm sorry but I was thought to be more careful with my purchases so that point falls flat!
@Solozaur Okay. I did know about what I was getting into and I still hated it. So your attempt to discredit my remark fails.
@runtheplacered" It's not the expansion pack. "Incursion" hasn't released yet. Try to know what you're talking about before you comment and come off sounding like a real douche.
@Fisty: The reviewer is a typical gamer letting people know. I'm a detail-whore myself and wasn't overly-challenged by the learning curve, but the monotony and lack of MULTI was a big turn off. As someone posted above, it really helps to have someone playing so you join a corporation before a month has passed.
@Fisty: The reviewer is a typical gamer letting people know. I'm a detail-whore myself and wasn't overly-challenged by the learning curve, but the monotony and lack of MULTI was a big turn off. As someone posted above, it really helps to have someone playing so you join a corporation before a month has passed.
@runtheplacered
Commissioned Officer Edition isn't an 'expansion pack' - it's simply a retail edition of the game with some additional features designed to make the game more newb friendly.
EVE has regular expansion-like updates, but they're free.
Commissioned Officer Edition isn't an 'expansion pack' - it's simply a retail edition of the game with some additional features designed to make the game more newb friendly.
EVE has regular expansion-like updates, but they're free.
There's plenty of corporations in EVE made for new players, EVE University being the most prominent and well known. Aimlessly wandering around doing tutorials in your first few days is hardly recommended.
The barrier to entry is not at all astronomical. I joined EVE University this summer (which is a lot of fun), then in the fall joined a unit called Division 6 which is a part of the Northern Coalition (a massive power-bloc), and am currently leading my own fighter squadron in a rather violent war with the Russians in a region of space called the Dronelands. Earlier this we set an all-time record by having 3,100 people fighting a battle in one star system simultaneously.
It's a very, very complicated game with an extreme learning curve. But there's 300,000 people in EVE who get a lot out of it.
There's no other game on the market like EVE. Really, there's not. Ask the fleet commander for the Northern Coalition what it was like commanding a battle like that. He had authority over dozens of battlegroups, each with their own commanders, each with their own smaller size fleets, each with their own squadrons (like my own). And he's got to move all those thousands of pieces in just the right away, counter his opponent Russian fleet commander doing the same, and secure some manner of victory. Each and every death has meaning, because isk and experience are permanently lost when you die so everyone has a finely tuned sense of self preservation you have to overcome if you expect to mobilize them to risk themselves in a war.
It's a real life Napoleonic battle played out in a virtual sci-fi world. Amazing stuff.
But yea, getting started, trying to do the tutorials, and flying around aimlessly for a week or two is pretty damn boring so I agree with you there.
The barrier to entry is not at all astronomical. I joined EVE University this summer (which is a lot of fun), then in the fall joined a unit called Division 6 which is a part of the Northern Coalition (a massive power-bloc), and am currently leading my own fighter squadron in a rather violent war with the Russians in a region of space called the Dronelands. Earlier this we set an all-time record by having 3,100 people fighting a battle in one star system simultaneously.
It's a very, very complicated game with an extreme learning curve. But there's 300,000 people in EVE who get a lot out of it.
There's no other game on the market like EVE. Really, there's not. Ask the fleet commander for the Northern Coalition what it was like commanding a battle like that. He had authority over dozens of battlegroups, each with their own commanders, each with their own smaller size fleets, each with their own squadrons (like my own). And he's got to move all those thousands of pieces in just the right away, counter his opponent Russian fleet commander doing the same, and secure some manner of victory. Each and every death has meaning, because isk and experience are permanently lost when you die so everyone has a finely tuned sense of self preservation you have to overcome if you expect to mobilize them to risk themselves in a war.
It's a real life Napoleonic battle played out in a virtual sci-fi world. Amazing stuff.
But yea, getting started, trying to do the tutorials, and flying around aimlessly for a week or two is pretty damn boring so I agree with you there.
What I really disliked about EVE is this whole "because we can" mentality.
- Overly complex interface? Because we can
- Picked up a quest item but have to remove it from your dock inventory and into your ship inventory? Because we can
- Open the 'job' description to look at it, close it, and lose rep? Because we can (even though I can just check my journal.. thanks bugs!)
- Community hell-bent on excusing dusty design and "because we can" mentality, because they HATE new players pointing out perceived flaws? Because. We. Can.
I tried EVE 3 times, seperately, and each time I just found myself unwilling to accept that the game boils down to: earning ISK to pay for game time, paying for game time to earn ISK, perpetually being behind the curve vs. players that have been playing for a year or more, and spotty attention grabbing mechanics. I chose to be an Explorer and even that got old. Very Fast.
And no, I didn't get gate-ganked or nulsec'd. I just really think it's about time CCP shore up and really simplify vast stretches of the game.
Seriously, for a game so much in need of community (hi, to all you saying the community drives the gameplay), it really would behoove you and CCP to own these old-hat mechanics and figure out a way to go from driving a petrolium fueled car to hybrid/electric/new energy car.
You know - same thing, just better.
- Overly complex interface? Because we can
- Picked up a quest item but have to remove it from your dock inventory and into your ship inventory? Because we can
- Open the 'job' description to look at it, close it, and lose rep? Because we can (even though I can just check my journal.. thanks bugs!)
- Community hell-bent on excusing dusty design and "because we can" mentality, because they HATE new players pointing out perceived flaws? Because. We. Can.
I tried EVE 3 times, seperately, and each time I just found myself unwilling to accept that the game boils down to: earning ISK to pay for game time, paying for game time to earn ISK, perpetually being behind the curve vs. players that have been playing for a year or more, and spotty attention grabbing mechanics. I chose to be an Explorer and even that got old. Very Fast.
And no, I didn't get gate-ganked or nulsec'd. I just really think it's about time CCP shore up and really simplify vast stretches of the game.
Seriously, for a game so much in need of community (hi, to all you saying the community drives the gameplay), it really would behoove you and CCP to own these old-hat mechanics and figure out a way to go from driving a petrolium fueled car to hybrid/electric/new energy car.
You know - same thing, just better.
What I really disliked about EVE is this whole "because we can" mentality.
- Overly complex interface? Because we can
- Picked up a quest item but have to remove it from your dock inventory and into your ship inventory? Because we can
- Open the 'job' description to look at it, close it, and lose rep? Because we can (even though I can just check my journal.. thanks bugs!)
- Community hell-bent on excusing dusty design and "because we can" mentality, because they HATE new players pointing out perceived flaws? Because. We. Can.
I tried EVE 3 times, seperately, and each time I just found myself unwilling to accept that the game boils down to: earning ISK to pay for game time, paying for game time to earn ISK, perpetually being behind the curve vs. players that have been playing for a year or more, and spotty attention grabbing mechanics. I chose to be an Explorer and even that got old. Very Fast.
And no, I didn't get gate-ganked or nulsec'd. I just really think it's about time CCP shore up and really simplify vast stretches of the game.
Seriously, for a game so much in need of community (hi, to all you saying the community drives the gameplay), it really would behoove you and CCP to own these old-hat mechanics and figure out a way to go from driving a petrolium fueled car to hybrid/electric/new energy car.
You know - same thing, just better.
- Overly complex interface? Because we can
- Picked up a quest item but have to remove it from your dock inventory and into your ship inventory? Because we can
- Open the 'job' description to look at it, close it, and lose rep? Because we can (even though I can just check my journal.. thanks bugs!)
- Community hell-bent on excusing dusty design and "because we can" mentality, because they HATE new players pointing out perceived flaws? Because. We. Can.
I tried EVE 3 times, seperately, and each time I just found myself unwilling to accept that the game boils down to: earning ISK to pay for game time, paying for game time to earn ISK, perpetually being behind the curve vs. players that have been playing for a year or more, and spotty attention grabbing mechanics. I chose to be an Explorer and even that got old. Very Fast.
And no, I didn't get gate-ganked or nulsec'd. I just really think it's about time CCP shore up and really simplify vast stretches of the game.
Seriously, for a game so much in need of community (hi, to all you saying the community drives the gameplay), it really would behoove you and CCP to own these old-hat mechanics and figure out a way to go from driving a petrolium fueled car to hybrid/electric/new energy car.
You know - same thing, just better.
I have to agree with this review 100%. I -love- MMOs. Been playing them as long as they been around (well since day one of Ultima Online). But I couldn't manage to enjoy EVE. Even though I love MMOs, love Sci-Fi, and love hard games. Maybe I just love them each on their own, you put them all together and you have that which I do not love. Which is EVE.
But, like any game, if people enjoy it, then bravo. But this one just wasn't for me, either.
But, like any game, if people enjoy it, then bravo. But this one just wasn't for me, either.
What steep learning curve, I played this game a few years ago for a year and I lost 2 ship total, 1 in a suicide run and 1 because of server disconnect (which I get total reimbursement). Just do your work and read a little and you'll do fine. Long traveling time? of course if you use auto pilot, warp to 0 instead. Getting blasted by other players? Just avoid lowsec, the game even gave you warning before entering one. You can look for pvp later when you're better equipped for it. The strongest ship always win? Just look at multiple killboard of frigates killing battleship in 1 on 1. This review is completely bonkers.
@Felix Adi I was auto piloting 10 jumps away with "take safest route" selected. I never entered a low security area.
You know I think I'd love to side with the reviewer on this one.
I tried EVE back in the day, when I was told it was this amazing MMO. I was bored and gave it a shot. This was my exact experience. If it weren't for the help of a random, kind-hearted player who gave me some advice, I'd have never made it out of the basic tutorial. He helped me out, told me where I could start mining for ore, and how to build up a better ship. He even gave me some people to contact, in the instance that I keep playing the game.
I think this serves as an excellent warning guide for those who want to check out EVE: It's a bitch of a game that sucks balls if you're alone. But, if you've got even one person to help you out, the game gets much better.
If you go into EVE, go into it with like, 10 people who are just as confused as you are. Do everything in a group.
I tried EVE back in the day, when I was told it was this amazing MMO. I was bored and gave it a shot. This was my exact experience. If it weren't for the help of a random, kind-hearted player who gave me some advice, I'd have never made it out of the basic tutorial. He helped me out, told me where I could start mining for ore, and how to build up a better ship. He even gave me some people to contact, in the instance that I keep playing the game.
I think this serves as an excellent warning guide for those who want to check out EVE: It's a bitch of a game that sucks balls if you're alone. But, if you've got even one person to help you out, the game gets much better.
If you go into EVE, go into it with like, 10 people who are just as confused as you are. Do everything in a group.
hmmm if that happened in high sec that was extremely unlucky. (And happened very rarely) As the attacking ship will be destroyed by CONCORDS right after (and had nothing to gain other than griefing). Maybe you picked up a container right before? It's a common scam that will let the other player to attack you without CONCORD interfering. Also auto pilot with safest route does not guarantee you won't enter lowsec, if there's no choice it will set a route to lowsec.
Ehm, I've been playing EVE for 7 years straight, and I highly disagree with the score.
Just came to say that, also, JOURNALISM!
Just came to say that, also, JOURNALISM!
The game is a market simulator, the whole "space" thing is just the visuals.
This is a community driven game, not a developer driven one. Give that a consideration when you play EVE.
This is a community driven game, not a developer driven one. Give that a consideration when you play EVE.
All other mmo's are games, they give you the content to partake in, EVE is a simulator where the players make up their own games. Also, yes, if you are new to EVE, join EVE university, they will make the game go from aweful to stellar in a matter of seconds. EVE does not hold your hand, it is (admittedly) obtuse at the best of times but when its good it is without peer.
I started playing last Monday and I feel like has out me on the track to doing good Ive already acquired several ships through beginning agent missions and sold two of the them for a good amount of isk Ive also made sure to keep training my skills all the time especially on days i know i wont be playing. Im still green as as grass but i feel i have accomplished enough to seriously consider paying for the 20 dollar membership after the trial account expires. Oh and i haven't died once and although Ive had limited contact with the community so far people seem nice and willing to get involed
I learned more about the game from the comments here than I did from the actual review. You don't have to like the game, but don't do a half assed job of reviewing it.
Auto pilot takes much longer to reach your destination, instead use warp to 0km to reach the next stargate. Even so it can take a while if you have to fly across the entire universe.
Eve is obviously a Niche product but the amount of care that CCP puts into the game and attention to their player base makes sure that the game dosent get out of hand. Hell they even have the CSM (Council of Stellar Management) with elected players and they vote on which issues and changes to bring up to the developers, most mmos just want to make their game fun to everyone and forget the die hard players (or so it seems).
Eve is obviously a Niche product but the amount of care that CCP puts into the game and attention to their player base makes sure that the game dosent get out of hand. Hell they even have the CSM (Council of Stellar Management) with elected players and they vote on which issues and changes to bring up to the developers, most mmos just want to make their game fun to everyone and forget the die hard players (or so it seems).
This is a bit of a silly review, most of the stuff covered in early training would have taught you to stay out of low sec space so you don't get blown up. You also have the EVE wiki and tons of starter guides out there to give you tips on things to know when you start.
So you didn't bother to take any screenshots while you were playing then?
Sadly enough though I did get that impression of EVE anyway. Very punishing. Amazing, an incredible achievement, but one for the really dedicated only.
Sadly enough though I did get that impression of EVE anyway. Very punishing. Amazing, an incredible achievement, but one for the really dedicated only.
To the people defending Eve Online... Get over yourselves. There are a hundred ways to implement a user-friendly approach. EO tries none of them. For example, why the hell isn't there options in place for beginning players to not get reamed?
I had a similar experience to Dustin's. Yes, I'm sure once you know the tactics, you can achieve a victory against a superior ship. However, a new player with his crappy ship and crappy weapons most certainly won't know these tactics, while friendly Mr. Rapeface sitting in his Destroyer with enough weapons to drown a whole colony in mayhem and explosions will. And so as a new player, you're left with his good will on being discovered, and whether or not he decides to ruin your shit is the only thing standing between you and another few days of trying to crawl back up to where you were.
Is that fun for some people? Maybe. I can sure see the appeal from Mr. Rapeface's perspective, or someone who is at least established. However, as a new player, I can assure you this game is not fun in the least. It could be fun, I'm sure, but I generally don't see having to invest X amount of time into a game before it gets fun as a worthwhile endeavor.
Don't get me wrong. I know people who play Eve Online and it seems like it's a blast to them, but that just means the game has good mid- to end-game play. The beginning really needs work to make it a little more friendly for newer players.
I had a similar experience to Dustin's. Yes, I'm sure once you know the tactics, you can achieve a victory against a superior ship. However, a new player with his crappy ship and crappy weapons most certainly won't know these tactics, while friendly Mr. Rapeface sitting in his Destroyer with enough weapons to drown a whole colony in mayhem and explosions will. And so as a new player, you're left with his good will on being discovered, and whether or not he decides to ruin your shit is the only thing standing between you and another few days of trying to crawl back up to where you were.
Is that fun for some people? Maybe. I can sure see the appeal from Mr. Rapeface's perspective, or someone who is at least established. However, as a new player, I can assure you this game is not fun in the least. It could be fun, I'm sure, but I generally don't see having to invest X amount of time into a game before it gets fun as a worthwhile endeavor.
Don't get me wrong. I know people who play Eve Online and it seems like it's a blast to them, but that just means the game has good mid- to end-game play. The beginning really needs work to make it a little more friendly for newer players.
No offense, but you're passing off the 5% of the experience you seen in a week as most of the total experience. And you're not exactly wrong on all of your points, but EVE isn't for everybody and it apparently isn't for you.
Standing against the adversity and growing as a pilot is the real test of EVE> If you have the desire to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get into nullsec, you'll find the real game in EVE.
And newbies make a huge difference in EVE, despite seeming the opposite. Two words: Hero Rifter.
Standing against the adversity and growing as a pilot is the real test of EVE> If you have the desire to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get into nullsec, you'll find the real game in EVE.
And newbies make a huge difference in EVE, despite seeming the opposite. Two words: Hero Rifter.
Umm to those who said you can't have fun or pvp as a newbie, you certainly can. Just get in a rifter and tackle like mad. Yes you need to learn how to fit it properly and fly it properly. As said before there are tons of online resource you can use.
Also while there are a lot of stories of high sec gank for the most part; it is quite safe; especially for newbies in their cheap ship. So if you don't want to pvp you don't have to. If you chose to pvp (entering low/nullsec) without preparing for it of course you'll get reamed. It wouldn't be fair otherwise.
If you don't want to do all those stuff (learning how to choose a ship, fit your ship, what skill you need, etc) then cleary EVE is not for you.
Also while there are a lot of stories of high sec gank for the most part; it is quite safe; especially for newbies in their cheap ship. So if you don't want to pvp you don't have to. If you chose to pvp (entering low/nullsec) without preparing for it of course you'll get reamed. It wouldn't be fair otherwise.
If you don't want to do all those stuff (learning how to choose a ship, fit your ship, what skill you need, etc) then cleary EVE is not for you.
Yeah, for a game that is as complicated as EVE is, this review is
The entire review is written in a negative connotation, and due to that I find it hard to believe you actually gave this game a fair shot. "When I play a massively-multiplayer online game I expect to be playing with other people. Not to be isolated." You isolated yourself and you refuse to acknowledge that. That is ridiculous, mate!
You don't connect with the community, the thing that makes EVE special. You do not join a corporation, you barely played the game (if you're not willing to play the game for a month, don't score it, because it's obvious that you're scoring it without knowing the full scope of the game, which is a disservice to the game and any possible new players) you just skip the most important part to this MMO and then score it based on the bare bones isolated experience that the developers give you. What the hell is that? Have you never played an MMO? They're not single player games, you have to put in more to reap the rewards.
How did this pass editing? I think this review should be taken down until it gets a fair chance. I realize Dtoid isn't an MMO site, so I don't really expect much, but this review is utter shit. It barely covers what the game is about, because obviously the guy did not play it enough. You didn't score Metro 2033 for the same sorts of reasons. Why score this?
I've come to expect a certain quality from the reviews here. Call me entitled, call me spoiled. I love reading reviews on this site because they're more often than not brutally honest and I respect that. This review is dishonest.
The entire review is written in a negative connotation, and due to that I find it hard to believe you actually gave this game a fair shot. "When I play a massively-multiplayer online game I expect to be playing with other people. Not to be isolated." You isolated yourself and you refuse to acknowledge that. That is ridiculous, mate!
You don't connect with the community, the thing that makes EVE special. You do not join a corporation, you barely played the game (if you're not willing to play the game for a month, don't score it, because it's obvious that you're scoring it without knowing the full scope of the game, which is a disservice to the game and any possible new players) you just skip the most important part to this MMO and then score it based on the bare bones isolated experience that the developers give you. What the hell is that? Have you never played an MMO? They're not single player games, you have to put in more to reap the rewards.
How did this pass editing? I think this review should be taken down until it gets a fair chance. I realize Dtoid isn't an MMO site, so I don't really expect much, but this review is utter shit. It barely covers what the game is about, because obviously the guy did not play it enough. You didn't score Metro 2033 for the same sorts of reasons. Why score this?
I've come to expect a certain quality from the reviews here. Call me entitled, call me spoiled. I love reading reviews on this site because they're more often than not brutally honest and I respect that. This review is dishonest.
(Herp derp, no edit button)
First sentence was meant to say, "Yeah, for a game that is as complicated as EVE is, this review is a travesty."
First sentence was meant to say, "Yeah, for a game that is as complicated as EVE is, this review is a travesty."
Yeesh, this review sounds less like a review that should be telling me if this game is worth my time and more like some new player bitching and moaning because he can't get a grasp of the mechanics. I found out more about the game's pros and cons from the comments than I did from the review, which might as well have just been an editorial tirade.
I don't play EVE Online and I probably never will, but good god, you should've known going in that the game has an insanely steep learning curve. It certainly isn't WoW, that's for sure.
I don't play EVE Online and I probably never will, but good god, you should've known going in that the game has an insanely steep learning curve. It certainly isn't WoW, that's for sure.
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