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According to Electronic Arts, North America thought that everything in Army of Two was fine and dandy, while Europeans found the experience ridiculous and tasteless. While EA's Mark Reid says that you can't please everyone, he's certainly hoping that Army of Two's upcoming sequel will bridge the cultural gap a little more.

"We had this whole market in the US that thought the tone was cool, but in Europe everyone thought it was ridiculous and tasteless and a bunch of frat guys running around," said the EA Montreal EP. "One of the things we learned was that we’re never going to be able to please both. So the way you interact with your partner and decisions you make -- if you’re doing a lot of fist bumps -- these influence the tone and the dialogue of your character. If your taking it on a more serious level then the game reacts seriously."

Reid adds that he needs Europeans to like Army of Two's characters because otherwise they won't get into the game, making an interesting point about game characters versus movie characters: "It’s really important for us tonally to appeal to the European audience because with the core audience in that territory, the game really turned them off so deeply that they couldn’t get to the game underneath.

"In a movie you’re distanced from those characters and you’re watching them, but in a game you are those characters and if they say something you find bothersome it rips you right out of the experience. We wanted to change the overall dialogue but also let the player tell their own a story a little bit more."

I'm still yet to try out Army of Two, but I must resolve this before The 40th Day is released. After all, I just recently started playing Kane & Lynch, so the least I could do is give EA's game a chance.








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Uther's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:24
Uther
Well, that's strange. I'm European, and me and my friend played this game hooting like fratboys.
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:25
koehler83
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Europe on this one.
SelfQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:29
SelfQ
I wish someone would make a french/italian/dutch/sweedish etc game about one of there conflicts (or fictional) in there language with fucking subtitels and cultural shit I would not be able to understand.

So I could, like, you know, LEARN something.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:30
HEL105
I'm always amused when is see huge populations of people treated like a single-minded entity that has the exact same interests, values, and preferences. I can't tell you the number of times I've been told that I should or shouldn't like something, because black people do/don't like "X".
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:30
HEL105
*when I see
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:31
Elsa
I bought Army of 2 hoping for a stellar co-op game I could play with my husband. Within half an hour I found the characters so ridiculous and annoying that we quickly sold the game. It's not just Europeans that found the characters distasteful... I think that many older adults such as myself and my husband found them very hard to relate to as well.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:33
EternalDeathSlayer
I hated the characters, but then again I'm a parent. My friends, all aged 21 to 25, LOVED the characters.

My friends are kind of dumb.
randombullseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:33
randombullseye
Considering you are europe Jim, what is your opinion?
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:34
Kraid
Stop hating on the bromance you homophobic SoBs!
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:34
Xzyliac
@SelfQ
Then tell one of those countries to get off their asses and make one.
Uther's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:35
Uther
@randombullseye
Typo or fatjoke?
SelfQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:36
SelfQ
Anglo-Americanism is the cancer killing video games!

You heard it here first.
sickboy0138's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:39
sickboy0138
leave the manpanions alone you silly,hard to please twats. they were funny.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:40
StingingVelvet
"You can't please everyone all of the time... but dammit, we're toning this fucker down until we do!"
SelfQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:40
SelfQ
@Xzyliac
There too busy sucking the largest markets proverbial dong

Ubisoft (French), Guerrilla (Dutch), Dice (Sweedish) and there all making "American" wargames.

Italians are to cool to make videogames apparently.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:41
Shadowiii
Jim, why are you playing Kane and Lynch. That game is horrible.
Army of Two was bad also, though not AS bad. At least the co-op was good. It played fine until one of the two morons opened their mouthes. Blek.
Daniel Vargas's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:43
Daniel Vargas
I'm European too, and I LOVE this game, one of my favorites, and some friends think the same. Maybe EA NorthA. have to think twice what they say ;)
Revariance's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:44
Revariance
How is Kane and Lynch on PC, Jim? I've yet to play it and I'm mildly interested.
Uther's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:45
Uther
Swedish, with one e.
Just saying.
Acid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:45
Acid
SelfQ, I'm from Sweden. And seriously, you don't want to listen more to our language than neccesary. French and Dutch are nice languages, but Swedish is horrible... ^^'
Rockefellow's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:48
Rockefellow
@X1251x

buddy, that's not even bad. Some posts from certain writers on here are regularly awful. I don't know if it's because I'm an English major, but i would be embarrassed.

Having said that, one or two mistakes like the one you mentioned are going to happen. You aren't the only one who notices it, and it doesn't affect the story, so calm down.
Uther's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:50
Uther
@Acid
Second'd. There's nothing better to suck out the tension from a scene than Swedish, Skånska in particular. BTW When talking to your friends, do you also switch to English automatically?
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:52
king kong five
It's true that it was pretty ridiculous. And pretty tasteless.

But mostly it was just not fun.
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:55
lastdual
Hippies in general didn't like the game. And Europe has a lot of hippies.

But don't worry, force feed them enough and they'll get with the program.
sickboy0138's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:56
sickboy0138
i forgot...the douche bag with kids "i have kids so im an adult" you remind me of Brian on the Family guy episode where he finds out about his kid..did i mention your a douche bag?
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 11:57
RenegadePanda
Just make 40th day, I dunno, good. Then I will look past whatever stupid college guy I'm playing as.

Because the first one just wasn't good at all.
Acid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:03
Acid
@Uther

I think that Stockholmska is the worst, but I live in Skåne, so I'm used to Skånska (don't speak it though. My accent is all effed up xD)^^. I usually talk to friends in Swedish, but sometimes I use english because I express myself better that way.

But yeah, nothing disrupts the mood of a movie (or anything else) more than our beloved mothertongue...
Excalipoor's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:05
Excalipoor
Army of Two was a game for true bros.

Europe would never understand.
Handy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:07
Handy
Can we make Fanboy Friday about these dickheads that have invaded Destructoid this week?

Most of the commenters above without avatars are great examples.
Genius's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:14
Genius
@Handy
Well, Some people who have been here a while just don't care about a tiny ass microsized avatar that you can barely make out. Whoever thought avatars this small was a good idea should go play in traffic, might as well not have any.
Phantom Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:17
Phantom Spaceman
Needs more berets and cigarettes.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:25
mistic
well I'm from Eurpe and the videos of the gameplay put me off enough not to get the game... so he prolly has a slight point :-)
Harris Hatsworth's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:32
Harris Hatsworth
I honestly thought they were going for the "frat boys killing shit" angle. How else do you explain all the headbutting and inane dialogue? I half expected to hear the word "spocious" at one point.
Solid Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:33
Solid Squirrel
@Genius
My squirrel avatar will destroy you.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:33
hpv
I liked Army of Two because it was ridiculous and tasteless.
Attro's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:35
Attro
I guess I'm more European than I thought.
Brolsen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:49
Brolsen
I'm a European and I don't entirely disagree.
I LOVED running around like two frat guys fistpounding and shooting thugs to ribbons. I LOVED the whole mercenary thing, angry (badass) looking masks etc.

The one thing I didn't like was the wonky gameplay and gunhandling. Bring on 40th day. I got your back bro!
wedgejaeger's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:51
wedgejaeger
if you call a fistpound after snapping a guy's neck ridiculous and tasteless, then sure.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:55
-PL-
I thought Army of Two was ridiculous and tasteless, and fun. I don't play video games for the cultural significance. I play video games to KILL SHIT.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 12:59
Excel-2011
"One of the things we learned was that we’re never going to be able to please both."
Last I checked there are countless games that appeal to both American and European audiences. Most of them aren't FPSes, though.
Floodland's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 13:17
Floodland
I would have enjoyed it more if I hadn't forked out 50 spuds for it, but it's brainless fratboy nature was great fun for me.
matty125's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 13:26
matty125
Since when did Europeans account for taste?

j/k ;)

I would never touch a game like this one my own, it looks ridiculous - not in a Peewee Herman way, but a Howard the Duck way.
Now, if it were about two classy gentlemen with tophats going berserk when you shoot off their monocles in a place where rich people hang out, I'd play that.
AkumaLovesYou's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 13:30
AkumaLovesYou
@x1251x

Errrr, do you not know how to speak English and because of this having a go at someone that does?

Jim Sterling wrote: "I'm still yet to try out Army of Two".

This is fine, it means "I AM still yet to try Amry of Two". The way you're suggesting he says it is also fine, "I HAVE yet to try Army of Two".

I'm = I am.

I've = I have.

Both are fine.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 13:33
StingingVelvet
For those asking about Kane & lynch I actually found the PC version very enjoyable. It looks pretty decent and it is basically Michael Mann the movie. It has a lot of rough spots, and the second half takes a dive compared, but it is a fun game for fans of that style of movie I would think.
silvain's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 13:36
silvain
EDF 2017's character "Trick Hip" McGee >> Army of Dudes.

EDF 2017 was more fun too, lol.
readbigwordsisgood's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 14:17
readbigwordsisgood
@HEL105 -agreed.

Corps are just that retarded (and lazy) that they are surprised that there are differences -

Frito Lay tried to sell Doritos in the Asian Market. And failed of course.

The majority of the population of Asia doesn't eat cheese.

They are lactose intolerant.

So FritoLay made shrimp flavored Doritos just for Asia. Try selling shrimp flavored Doritos here. You might as well package it in a colostomy bag.
Pinhead's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 14:29
Pinhead
I have to say that I do expect my blood and carnage to be wrapped in a something slightly more sophisticated than Army of Two was. Even if sophisticated violence is something of an oxymoron. I just roll my eyes at the standard macho BS you find in so many shooters.
father33's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 14:32
father33
Imagine the euro equivalent of the Salem and Rios. Instead of two party boys who "bring it" they will be boys who "come to make party". And the soundtrack? Uber euro drum and bass club electro dance mix. I find that far more tatsteless.
ikiryou's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 14:50
ikiryou
I tuned out the character dialogue and lackluster story in the first AO2 and instead just focused on the gameplay. It was a mindless shooter purchase for me and was actually better than I expected by leaps and bounds. Hopefully they won't break up the shooting with more "storytelling", just give us more bad guys to perforate.
Kipaap's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2009 14:58
Kipaap
@father 33

yes it would be waaaaay more tasteless........but in an awesome way. I'd probably laugh my ass off especially if they'd have arnie accents. And the game was really crappy i mean i enjoyed it but it's not a good game IMO.
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