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Eurogamer conducts GTA IV 360/PS3 framerate tests, Destructoid chimes in photo

So the folks at Eurogamer have taken it upon themselves to do the entire gaming community and the world at large a favor, and have conducted detailed framerate tests on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of Grand Theft Auto IV.

But Eurogamer took it one step further, conducting the tests not once, but twice. The details of the tests can be found here, but the general results are shocking and conclusive: 

Old 360: 33.798fps
Old PS3: 28.313fps
New 360: 33.713fps (2.35% torn frames in full capture)
New PS3: 28.313fps

Interesting figures, to say the least. But what does all of this mean for gamers, exactly? In an internal email discussion, the Destructoid staff breaks it down. Hit the jump for some real eye-opening industry discussion.

Nick Chester, Editor-in-Chief
Wait a minute ... wait a minute ... are Eurogamer kidding with those framerate tests?

Jim Sterling, Reviews Editor/Wearer of a Monocle
Just what IS the big erection about framerates anyway? Am I the only one who doesn't give a shit provided the characters aren't moving like stop motion Jason & the Argonauts skeletons?

Dale North, Writing Machine
I'm the same way. I've never cared, as long as it doesn't hinder the game. Shit, I still play games where the characters have three frames of animation -- left foot in front, together, and right foot in front -- all the time.

Nick
But I think this conclusively proves that the Xbox 360 version is BETTER than the PS3 version. I mean, it has more frames per second, guys.

Someone call Gametrailers.

Joe Burling, News Contributor/Framerate Expert
Frames per second is only one piece of a large pie. What makes games look good is a combination of things, including framerate, color, contrast, resolution, etc. All things are important, but no one should focus on one single thing.

Framerate is important because we've all seen what happens when the framerate drops. That sucks. To discount framerate altogether is ignorant. But, to think you NEED to have a framerate of 60 is just silly, as 30 can look great. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that framerate is often one of the things most associated to people getting motion sick when playing a game. The higher the framerate, the less likely you are to experience motion sickness.
 
Resolution is often the most misunderstood one. Resolution is like #4 on the importance list. As long as it is decently above 480p, the game or anything will look good. Call of Duty 4 was under 720p on the 360 and PS3, but most people think it runs at 1080p. Gears of War only ran at 720p. But why do these games look so good if they are under 720p? It's because the focus is on the other things, like contrast and whatever else they focused on.
 
By now, most of you have noticed a slight but consistent difference between the way 360 and PS3 games look. PS3 games tend to have lighter colors and look a little more washed out. 360 games have much richer colors and better standard lighting, but that can also make the games look more jagged because you can see everything in more detail. It's a matter of opinion. I think people should look through all of those comparison videos between the 360 and PS3, and pick the one that looks the best to them overall. To each their own.
 
But to focus on a five frame per second difference is just silly.
 

Nick
I think what you just said was that the Xbox 360 rules, the PS3 drools. Confirmed.  

Jim
Jesus, Burling. How much is MS paying you to suck them off? Jesus!

Joe
Haha... I like the look of the 360 better, but some people like the PS3 look better.

At the same time, however, I don't see much a difference between the two at all anymore... and I doubt we'll see much of a difference going forward outside of specific exclusive games that really focus on the console it's being made on.
 
Jim
"I like the the 360 better."

What a fucking fanboy.
 
Adam Dork, News Contributor
TALLEDAGHEA NIGHTZZZ!!! 
 
Joe
I'm such a fanboy, I know. I bought a PSP so I could piss on it. Fuck Sony!!! I LOVE my 8th 360 (yes, I've had that many RRoDs)!!! MS FTW!!!
 
Jim
YOU'LL NEVER GET METAL GEAR SOLID 4 BURLING! I AM PERSONALLY INVESTED IN YOU NOT DOING THIS THING I WRITE ABOUT!
 
 
Joe
OH YEH!?! WELL I'VE PLAYED IT AND YOU SUCK AND NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT AND YOUR BELLY IS BIG AND YOUR MONOACLE SXORS AND BAD GRAMMARS AND INTERNETS!!!!!

Jim
WHY DON'T YOU DRINK THE KOOL AID BURLING YOU HAVE GROUP THINK MENTALITY AND IS A SHEEPLE AND I AM CLEVER FOR POINTING OUT THESE THINGS I HAVE POINTED OUT HA HA DRINK THE KOOL AID!
 
Joe
ZOMG YOU IS RACIST ADN DONT NOW ANYTHING ABOUT VIDOE GAMES!!!! YOU ONLY LIKE TEH SONYS BECAUSE YOUR MOM!!!! MY DAD COULD TOTALLY BEAT YOUR DAD IN A FIGHT!!! mEET ME AT THE VIRTUAL BIKE RACK IN SEcOND LIFE AT 3PM!!! YOU ARE GOING DOWN!!! YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DRINKS TEH COOL AID! DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A KOOLAID IS? oBVIOUSLY YOU DONT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THE FACT THAT KOOLAID IS WAHT THE COOL KIDS DRINK, HENCE THE NAME KOOLAID!

Jim
KIIIIIIIIIIIIILL
ZOOOOOOOOONE!
 
 
Joe
KILLZOONE SUXED THE FIRST TIME!!!! WHAT MAKES YOUTHINK ITS GOING TO BE ANYBETTER THE SEOCND TIME!!!!
 
I HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!
 
Dale
This needs to be a post.
 
Nick
Good idea. I'll do it.

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Cartman's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:36
Cartman
I love you guys.
Brian Keljore's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:39
Brian Keljore
Somehow I imagined Jim doing his Liquid Snake voice when talking in caps about MGS4
Jim's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:42
Jim
guys...?

more framerate is always better and mostly a deciding factor on how much fun a game makes!
Droll's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:44
Droll
This is pretty good.
You forgot to mention Killzone. That game is gonna be great!
PetiePal's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:47
PetiePal
Why are Mommy and Daddy yelling at each other!

I had a feeling the 360 would have higher framerate, but it wouldn't have made much a difference. It IS the sum of all the parts that determines the better system, and honestly the 360 and PS3 are still evenly matched when you go through all the checks and balances.
Hoygeit's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:51
Hoygeit
Hahahahahahaha.

Oh, so good.
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:51
deiga-the-semivaliant
Purple DRANK.
Joe Burling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:53
Joe Burling
YOU DONT NOW ANYTHING JIM!!! TEH 360 IS THE GRATEST GAME IN THE WORLD! BLUERAEY ONLY ONE BECAUSE $ONY PAID OFF THE MOVIE INUDSTRY WITH THEYRE BLOOD MONEY!!!!
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:56
MaximusPaynicus
Um... wow. All I can say is wow.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 13:58
Cheeburga
BROWN AND BLOOMAN GAEMZ
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:00
MechaMonkey
What is the framerate of Kool Aid?
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:06
Mxyzptlk
So how many FPS does GTA IV get on the Wii?
Gridl0k's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:12
Gridl0k
As the proud owner of a nice 1080p 47" TV (stay in school kids!) can someone point me to an XBox game that does actually render and display in 1080p?

I'm guessing Forza might, but I rilly rilly need to justify my impulse purchase of a large piece of far eastern electronics with 1,080 vertical pixels.
KyleGamgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:17
KyleGamgee
I like things that are funny.

I like this.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:22
Timmeh
Personally, I don't think their tests are particularly good. On my 360 GTA IV's FPS drops noticably quite frequently and it pisses me off. After PC gaming for many years I buy a console to not have to worry about tweaking things, upgrades etc and this is what I get.

Could be worse though, the frame rate issues in Lost Odyssey, along with audio glitches etc is a joke. No it isn't the be all and end all but I would prefer if they dropped a couple of filters and delivered a smoother experience instead of saying "Look! Our game has big shinys".

If a console can't do something comfortably they shouldn't try and cram it in.
Gridl0k's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:23
Gridl0k
Also; the biggest unaddressed controversy about GTA isn't framerates or hookercide, it should be that sniper bullets cost $160 each and you have to pay $1000 for what is simply a bottle of petrol with a rag in the top...
foxhound009's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:26
foxhound009
28 fps.. :/ .. sorrz but I can not play something
with framrate that low....

I hope it'll be on pc soon....
60 fps ftw :)
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:42
Sharpless
I woke up and I looked at the computer and there was awesome on it and it was this post.
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:44
Emrah
It may only sound like 5 frames per second, but multiply that with 100 hours of gameplay, and xbox owners receive a hell lot of frames, compared to ps3. You never thought of that, didn't you?
Tamz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:46
Tamz
lawlzorz
Zac Bentz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:49
Zac Bentz
THIS
Zac Bentz's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:50
Zac Bentz
FRAMERATES!
CALkulon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:56
CALkulon
TV is 25 fps, your eyes cope just fine with that. What the hell is the problem with sub-30 fps? Jeez, get a grip.
moot button's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 14:56
moot button
In related news: Microsoft and Sony have announced their partnership in developing the first 360/ps3 fanboy crossover game titled "YOU GAMERS WILL FIGHT ABOUT FUCKING ANYTHING!" an epic adventure following a first time poster on a gaming forum to the ultimate battle for the elite top fanboy spot. Mini-games include frame counting, pixel counting, trolling, flame-baiting, statistic invention, and the awesome unverifyable comparison video. The game is expected to break all current records for everything thing, and be the greatest thing since sliced bread. This game is a Wii exclusive.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:04
falinter
I think we should be seeing more articles where the DTOID crew has well thought out discussions like this one here.


SERIOUSLY.
Itchy's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:06
Itchy
I simply have to comment on this Epic post.
Log1c's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:08
Log1c
@Calkulon: Tv is 29.997, Movies are 24fps.

And my PC IS 8 BILLION FPS SLIXFIRE FTW KTHX....
hexfix93's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:15
hexfix93
who cares. they both play well.
hexfix93's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:16
hexfix93
oh and the ps3 i dont have to worry about getting it fixed for months after it breaks from playing it hardcore. i wonder how many red rings happened while people played gta4 on their crappy 360 that fails. EPIC FAILS.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:17
-PL-
PS3 has lower frames cause it pushes BETTER GRAFIXXX
h3lios's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:20
h3lios
This is why i have you guys on my RSS. Pure unadulterated win. Also, Sterling FTW!
The GHost's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:21
The GHost
I can't tell if that was a satirical conversation or a re-enactment. Hilarious :D

Also, I can't help but point out the following...

DTOID RUNZ @ 30FPS KOTAKU GOES HIGHER AND HAZ BETTER SOUND LOL!11!!11!!
DaedHead8's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:25
DaedHead8
Fuckin awesome
PaperBowser0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:53
PaperBowser0
Fuckin sweet if I do say so myself. :D
aj2good4you2's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 15:58
aj2good4you2
@THE GHOST

Kotaku also runs in 720p and all my friends are on it.
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 16:07
Niero
YOU NEED A MATH CO-PROCESSOR FOR TEH HIGH FRAMERATESZIS11!11
Morrius's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 16:07
Morrius
Think I'll install it on my PC in 8 months and double those frame rates...
braulio09's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 16:13
braulio09
*adds a comment to the epicness*

this must be read for generations
ExpertPenguin's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 16:17
ExpertPenguin
I think the point of their exhaustive comparison was to cover all bases, not be asinine, which is what you sound like, making it seem like all they did was a framerate test.
RaiRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 16:35
RaiRed
U MAY HAVE LARGER PENIS THAN ME!! BUT I HAVE MORE PENINESSSSS!!
vp360's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 16:43
vp360
so 360 rules and ps3 sucks
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 16:44
Crunshii
wut
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 17:02
Necros
I want to make love to you all.
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 17:03
DemonEyes23
best post ever...
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 17:08
DemonEyes23
http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm
Vitamin Awesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 17:13
Vitamin Awesome
Dear Destructoid.

I love you.

-Vitamin Awesome.
Steel Squirrel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/12/2008 17:15
Steel Squirrel
49 FRAMES FTW
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