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ESRB responds to Destructoid regarding Dark Sector trailer recall photo

In response to the story of the ESRB's call for the removal of the Dark Sector trailer due to its "excessive or offensive content", we got in touch with them for an explanation. While we got an e-mail back from them fairly quickly, a thorough explanation it unfortunately was not.

Hit the jump for exactly what it said, and exactly why more information is needed for us to be satisfied over this one.

The ESRB's Advertising Review Council (ARC) regularly monitors game ads and trailers to make sure that they adhere to industry-adopted Principles and Guidelines for Responsible Advertising Practices ( http://www.esrb.org/ratings/principles_guidlines.jsp), which were established in 2000.  Since 2005, ARC guidelines have required that trailers for M-rated games on publisher websites be displayed behind an age gate to help restrict viewing to those visitors who are 17 and older.  Game publishers are also required to use best efforts with respect to ensuring the presence of age gates on third party websites that display their M-rated game trailers.  If a third party site insists on carrying a trailer for an M-rated game without placing it behind an age gate, our guidelines require the publisher to request that such trailer be removed and/or provide an edited version of the trailer to be used in its place.

However, the mere presence of an age gate does not permit a publisher to simply put whatever content it wishes into the trailer.  All trailers must still conform to ARC's Principles and Guidelines, which prohibit the display of excessively violent content or any content likely to cause serious offense to the average consumer.  When ESRB notifies a publisher that the content in a trailer is in violation of these ARC requirements, or that there is an age gate issue on a third party site, that publisher then must notify third party sites to rectify the problem. The notices issued recently by game publishers to third party websites are simply that - steps in a chain of publisher compliance with ARC guidelines and the ESRB enforcement system that have been occurring since their establishment seven years ago.

- ESRB president Patricia Vance 

 

Okay, so there's not much in the way of specific details relating to this individual case, but what have we got?

Well we start with an explanation that M-rated game trailers have to be hidden behind an age gate (Those "How old are you?" forms you'll often find before online trailers) in order to be acceptable for viewing online. That's only right, and it's obvious how a lack of such a measure would be a definite problem for a trailer like Dark Sector's. The thing is though, according to Gaming Today, there was an age gate on the trailer. 

So we now have to move on to the secondary explanation that the trailer in some way exceeds the level of violent content acceptable. Checking through the ESRB's guidlines on such matters, it is true that graphic depictions of weapon-use and gore are frowned upon, and both of those do feature fairly frequently in the Dark Sector video. However it's also true that "These Guidelines are not intended to restrict or impede creative and/or innovative advertising. Rather, the following areas merely highlight certain types of content that publishers should avoid when creating advertisements.". And quite rightly so. A catagorical ban on violent content in trailers for violent games (or films for that matter) is essentially a ban on advertising those products, as well as a discouragement of making them in the first place.

And of course, while the gory weapon-use in the trailer is fairly obvious, we have to ask ourselves whether it's really any worse than the content of the dozens of other action game trailers out there, and if so, does the level of violence the trailer depicts really justify a recall? After all, the ESRB's guidelines even allow age-gated trailers to be be run for AO-rated games. With this in mind, it is perplexing indeed that the level of violence in Dark Sector's trailer was deemed extreme enough to need this sort of action. And what's even more confusing is that essentially the exact same trailer is still available on Dark Sector's official site, with a status of Rating Pending at that.

This whole situation is still very strange, and the response from the ESRB is too vague to really clear things up. That's perhaps unsurprising, given that Destructoid and Gaming Today both recieved what appears to be the same standard reply in relation to the issue, and it's worth pointing out that that reply didn't come directly from Patricia Vance herself, but is in fact a statement from her chosen by a press relations guy at the ESRB. In light of this, we'd really like to find out more, and fully intend to.

If cases like this are allowed to go by without the specifics being questioned, eventually no-one will know where they stand and messy precedents will be set for the future. Ratings and related processes have to be carried out openly and with public understanding, or the whole thing can get dangerously secretive. To this end, we're working on contacting the ESRB for a more thorough explanation. 

With the trailer disappearing so soon after the start of the Manhunt 2 debate, after being cleared for use since last year, it's understandable that a lot of people are assuming some sort of muscle-flexing on the part of the ESRB right now. If that's the case, then we've got a major problem on our hands and a definite reason to be wearing snowshoes, given the slippery nature of the slope we now stand on. If not, then it'll be better for everyone involved that the real reasons behind this come to light as soon as possible. Here's hoping there's a good explanation. 


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slee's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 14:44
slee
@Gh05t_Rid3R

Well put!!
dorock's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 14:48
dorock
Yes! I love how they're always thinking about the children, protecting them from a media that could warp their fragile little minds. So when are they going to start banning news broadcasts?
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 14:51
LordRegulus
Everybody needs to have one of these on hand at all times.

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BlueWolf72's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 14:55
BlueWolf72
http://gamepolitics.com/2007/06/26/esrbs-spanking-of-dark-sector-darkness-trailers-is-nothing-new/

talks about when the ESRB did this same thing back in 2005 and other details. This story is big and it could happen again

Bioshock
Postal3

Are these 2 games next?
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:05
Dhaos
@bluewolf
Can anyone find out if the ESRB ever releases specific details as to why that game got the treatment? or did no one question it and so they never release it?

Thanks for the info either way
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:05
LordRegulus
@BlueWolf72

BioShock and Postal 3 are never, under any circumstances, to be placed in such close proximity.

Now get down and give me 20!
Cardoweth's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:13
Cardoweth
Jim and Dave fight the good fight brothers!

It seriously bothers me because those trailers have been around for awhile... hell The Darkness came out yesterday or today right? So why would you pull the trailer for the game?

We need to find out just who is the puppet master pulling the strings... because I think he needs to meet the horror puppet master puppets.... those damn things were scary.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:19
Jim Sterling
Tuddler from Puppet Master = Pure, unadultered terror.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:26
Snaileb
JimSterling you sound like Phil Harrison. I'm sorry the d'toid crew gives you so much guff for sounding british, but I will admit the whole time I DID imagine you with a top hat and monicle, stroking your mustache with a wine glass...

..

..

Awesome.
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:29
BahamutZero
comme ca?
nsolo1717's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:38
nsolo1717
Invisible Universe, you ruined my day with that picture, thank you
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:55
RICHARD BLOCKER
Nice podcast.

Needed more Workman.

And was it just me, or did Sterling sound alot like Kate Winslett?
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 15:55
Dhaos
@nsolo
to be fair it was a link to a mario pic but the host site he linked to changed it.
TheTaj's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 16:23
TheTaj
@ BahamutZero

I never knew they took pics of Jim during Podtoid 26!
Foe's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 17:15
Foe
This is troubling news indeed. Compounded by the fact that some advocacy groups are hailing the Manhunt 2 situation as a "victory". Orwellian, very orwellian indeed.
EternalDarkWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 18:08
EternalDarkWing
Why the fuck is lemonparty up there?
morbo47's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 18:55
morbo47
Am I the only one bothered by the whole 'American body governing the internet?' Who the hell are they to be so presumptuous?!? It's all well and dandy for them to rate games or ban them as they see fit, but leave it within the confines or your own damn country... Or continent, I guess.
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 19:07
Rosseh
Haha that's exactly what I thought. Fucked. Looks like someone hyperlink slapped you.

This is strange. I think they might be feeling the squeeze from the media or some other evil lurking in the shadows. Maybe they're trying to crack down but going a little too far.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 19:44
RICHARD BLOCKER
Checkout "gamer generation" on discovery times channel. it's on right now (8-9 pm eastern US) last segment showed a game made for Palestinian boys that fights the israeli soldiers. worth a watch.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 19:47
RICHARD BLOCKER
Sterling would love this, they are testing a gamers brain waves for aggression while he plays a shooter. he want to prove that they don't provoke aggressive brain waves. I hope you catch this in time, Lord Sterling.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 19:53
RICHARD BLOCKER
The results show that playing shooters does trigger aggressive waves. sorry I'm communicating this way, my stupid hoymail wont talk to outlook, so I cant submit an e-mail. woop, Jack Thompson just made an apperance. They are talking about a kid who went on a shooting spree at his school. they are blaming his uncanny accuracy(8 headshots) on video games.
David Houghton 's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 19:54
David Houghton
Wow, that sounds great. I'll try to find a copy over the next week, but if anyone can record it and/or report on the results, there's my undying adulation in it for them.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 19:56
RICHARD BLOCKER
sorry bro, no DVR, no VCR. I would definately record it for you if I could
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 19:58
RICHARD BLOCKER
episode 2 is about tostart, it;s going to cover Warcraft/online games
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 20:02
RICHARD BLOCKER
Houghton, you should let Nex know. I believe He's more western US than I am. He'll have time to set up and record it.
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 20:16
Im OK
Man, that sounded like a generic form letter if ever there was one.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 20:24
Jim Sterling
The whole "games trigger aggression" theory is quack psychology at best. It's the kind of 'test' that idiot Morgan 'stating the obvious for a living' Spurlock would use. Of COURSE an aggressive game will make your brain exhibit more aggressive signs. An actual test was carried out to prove that playing Wolfenstein and Myst showed differences of aggression - NO SHIT, SHERLOCK! Of course playing a calming game like Myst will affect you differently than playing an aggressive, adrenaline-pumping game.

Proving that doesn't mean jack-shit, and it's not worth anyone's time to dispute it.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 20:30
RICHARD BLOCKER
I am just relaying the results of that specific test, Jimmy. That doesn't mean I agree with it. Sorry I'm posting 20times like a douchebag, but I really feal that neone who participates in this site would enjoy watching this show.
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 20:30
Im OK
@Churchhills Dog

The problem is that the ESRB shouldn't have to do borderline shit like this just because it "satiates a few anal retentive douchebags".

They're anal retentive douchebags, after all. And if limiting speech is what it takes to satiate them, they don't deserve to be satiated in the first place.
RICHARD BLOCKER's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 20:31
RICHARD BLOCKER
feal? god I'm drunk.
Founder's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 21:28
Founder
Someone want to tell me what exactly is so offensive in these trailers? Except for the fact that this game looks so awesome your eyes might explode causing your neighbor to vomit in disgust?
Mikecirca1980's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 21:41
Mikecirca1980
I just hope it doesn't get worse. Next year is an election year in the US, after all.
Jark212's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 22:11
Jark212
i think its time for a Civil War, we can have our own flag and things of that nature...
Founder's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/26/2007 22:18
Founder
^
Seconded.
Foe's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 01:05
Foe
WOW, I've heard a lot of hate in my life, but hate for Morgan Spurlock is a new one. A tip of the cap to you sir!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 01:39
Sharpless
I like how there were hardly any comments about the Lemon Party image.
Spitfire747's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 02:32
Spitfire747
It's not so much the fact that they pull the trailers down unfairly that scares me. Hell, the government does things just as bad on a daily basis. It's that they respond with yet ANOTHER standard response. I really just want to go over and get in their faces as ask them "WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY ANSWER A FUCKING QUESTION?!"
SubOrbital's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 03:11
SubOrbital
Does anyone on this site actually believe in the responsible regulation of the gaming industry or do they feel that somehow gaming is the new word of the people and no matter what a game espouses, serial killers, rapists, GTA or Manhunt anyone? A lot of people seem to be keen on jumping up and down, complaining about this and that with the BBFC and the ESRB, but I see little from people actually questioning whether certain types of games should actually be allowed to release for anything under Adults Only. Until you have someone responsibly tackling both sides of the argument, most of the reporting on this site in regards to this reeks of inadequate journalism to say the least.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 06:32
Jim Sterling
Orbital: You clearly haven't been paying attention then. Our issue is that the answers we're getting aren't satisfactory. Manhunt 2 in the UK wasn't regulated - it was BANNED. I don't believe an AO rating was warranted, either, but that's another debate.

GFG was set up to see games get treated equally to movies, to give the argument a second side to tackle and to get the answers that are being denied us by smug governing bodies. Go read the latest on the banning of Burnout posters.

Orbital, we're trying to stop this getting out of hand. I'm honestly shocked by the 1% of people who are still against us on this.
brimtastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 08:49
brimtastic
"If cases like this are allowed to go by... messy precedents will be set for the future." I think this is what's important here -- it's not just about this trailer, but the bigger picture.
ShawnS's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 09:33
ShawnS
I want to chime in here and say that its great to have other folks concerned and covering this issue.. my follow up on Gaming Today also asked the same questions that David and Jim ask.

We are all getting nothing when we ask the hard questions. I got a form letter in response both times I dealt with the ESRB. D3 is not in a position to help us understand as they have a commercial stake in the game being released and rated..
I also posted another blog at another of my outlets dealign with this issue as well..
http://www.columbusalive.com/?sec=blogs&story=sites/alive/php/blog.php&blog=GameOn/2007/06/esrb_censors_the_internet.html

This is a much larger issue than "a trailer" or "Manhunt 2". This is about civil liberties and the freedom of expression in entertainment and the freedom of choice for consumers. The ESRB are not a government agency so slapping the Constitution in their face does little good unless someone sues them and the entire argument gets litigated unfortunately.

Do we have enough of a consensus to do that? I somehow doubt most consumers would be overly concerned if we tried to raise the issue publicly but honestly this is how things like rights are lost - they come in quietly in areas most people don't care about and spread - it sets precedent.
dprim3's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/27/2007 23:07
dprim3
I don't see what the big deal is.
antivert's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2007 11:37
antivert
If you don't understand what's at stake here, I urge you to watch This Film Is Not Yet Rated.

In fact, all authors dealing with industry censorship would do well to watch the film. Looking at you, Destructoid! It has a lot of insight that is directly applicable to the ESRB.
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