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So, I can find hardcore horse pornography, and that's okay.
I can see videos of a cruel, evil dictator being hung to death, and that's okay too.
But a video of a VIDEO GAME, is too much for me to handle?
This is ridiculous, and I for one am not for it.
I can see videos of a cruel, evil dictator being hung to death, and that's okay too.
But a video of a VIDEO GAME, is too much for me to handle?
This is ridiculous, and I for one am not for it.
Well this news doesn't fill me with much confidence.
Am i the only one who is confused by Jack Thompson not making any appearences recently?
All this BBFC and ESRB stuff would have had him jumping for joy on all the news channels i'd have thought.
Am i the only one who is confused by Jack Thompson not making any appearences recently?
All this BBFC and ESRB stuff would have had him jumping for joy on all the news channels i'd have thought.
I really had no idea the ESRB had the power to ask for a game trailer to be removed from the internet. The internet is full of pr0n with farm animals, pictures of actual bodies being dismembered, and blogs devoted to Paris Hilton. And yet, a TRAILER to a video game is a problem for the ESRB. Isn't the point of trailers to video games to be over the top in order to help with the sales of the game? The trailers they asked Gaming Today to take off weren't even that bad.
This nonsense with the ESRB has to stop and people just need to lock their children away from the internet until their 18 if this and any other group out there has a problem with what's on it.
This nonsense with the ESRB has to stop and people just need to lock their children away from the internet until their 18 if this and any other group out there has a problem with what's on it.
I think Jack Thompson sold his soul, and assimilate the whole ESRB. Resistance is futile..
"So, I can find hardcore horse pornography, and that's okay."
Somebody digg this, quick! Tazar loves hardcore horse porn!
(buried as old news)
"So, I can find hardcore horse pornography, and that's okay."
Somebody digg this, quick! Tazar loves hardcore horse porn!
(buried as old news)
This really pisses me off. If you are reading this and thinking, "big deal, who cares about some stupid trailers" then you aren't seeing the big picture. This unnecessary censorship has to stop... now.
For the record, I can verify that Tazar loves horse porn.
@Tazar, please quit clogging up my gmail with horse porn!!
@Tazar, please quit clogging up my gmail with horse porn!!
F1tches: Well, we kept saying last time that this issue wasn't just Manhunt 2. These trailers indicate that the slippery slope has just been made slicker. Personally, I thank the ESRB for proving GFG correct and continuing to keep the themes of censorship nice and warm while we work diligently backstage on the next phase of our plans. Dance puppets.
As somebody who pays his bills by cutting video game trailers, I've got to say this scares the bejeezus out of me. Jim, remember when I said I'd have to wait and see about the Manhunt 2 disasterbacle?
My wait is over, apparently. THAT was quick...
My wait is over, apparently. THAT was quick...
I've never lived a censored life. When I was 5 my parents let me watch Commando, Revenge of the Nerds and all that ridiculous crap. I turned out pretty awesome, so what the hell?! I cannot condone censorship of any kind and this is just stepping over the line of stupid
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My family never censored me, or told me that I couldn't see this or that.
I'm a model citizen, I work hard, pay bills and taxes. Hell I've never even had a speeding ticket in my life before. I and only I should be able to decide what is right for me.
My family never censored me, or told me that I couldn't see this or that.
I'm a model citizen, I work hard, pay bills and taxes. Hell I've never even had a speeding ticket in my life before. I and only I should be able to decide what is right for me.
BlueWolf: Read what they said carefully. They worded it like a request, but the message was simple - the trailer is not to be made available for download.
I can understand wanting to keep "offensive" material away from kids, but keeping it away from adults is a complete violation of the first amendment (at least in the US). I'll bet that argument would hold up in court, too.
'Hold on to your hats gamers, we are on our little sled staring down the 'safe gaming' hill, someone is pouring water onto the snow, the ESRB fuckers are about to give us a nice shove and nothing but fluffy bunnies and kittens awaits us at the bottom.'
This is just the beginning. Wait till they decide that Counter-Strike is not too violent, but offensive to those nationalities with the reputation for harboring terrorists! First step: violence censorship Second Step: Political Censorship. I'm curious what authority the ESRB has to tell a gaming site to pull a trailer. They're a bunch of fucking game raters, not the surpeme gaming gurus. It's like telling a movie studio two months after their trailer was released to pull it off the airwaves and movie reels.
This is just the beginning. Wait till they decide that Counter-Strike is not too violent, but offensive to those nationalities with the reputation for harboring terrorists! First step: violence censorship Second Step: Political Censorship. I'm curious what authority the ESRB has to tell a gaming site to pull a trailer. They're a bunch of fucking game raters, not the surpeme gaming gurus. It's like telling a movie studio two months after their trailer was released to pull it off the airwaves and movie reels.
What blows me away about this is that they've done it to an OLD trailer. One that they've known about for months. I suppose it could just be a coincidence that it happened now, but right after the Manhunt situation? (I'm fucking sick of typing the word "manhunt.") Are they just scared, or are they just seizing the opportunity to clamp down on content? I wish I knew their motivations, minus all the PR bullshit.
@Wolf
Your saying that the devs found this trailer to be offensive 6 months -1 year after making it???
Your saying that the devs found this trailer to be offensive 6 months -1 year after making it???
This is just a thought but perhaps the ESRB has begun to step up its involvement in gaming so that the Government won't have to.
As soon as the ESRB is found to be incompetent you can bet that some politicians/lobby groups will make a push for a tax-funded, government board to regulate our hobby.
I'm not saying I agree with what's going on with Manhunt 2 and now with game trailers, because I don't.
In fact, I'm very opposed to the idea.
But at the same time, it's not that hard to picture the even MORE evil alternative.
As soon as the ESRB is found to be incompetent you can bet that some politicians/lobby groups will make a push for a tax-funded, government board to regulate our hobby.
I'm not saying I agree with what's going on with Manhunt 2 and now with game trailers, because I don't.
In fact, I'm very opposed to the idea.
But at the same time, it's not that hard to picture the even MORE evil alternative.
no the devs want to make the esrb happy as they want a m rating or lower so making the esrb happy was the reason why they sent emails in. As a site owner you got the email from the devs asking to take it down. Some will and some wont I was just pointing out that it wasn't mandatory but Jim points out in the email it seem like the sites didn't have a choice but within the next 4 hours I expect people to upload the video to sites like youtube and others to fight the powers that be.
wheres the gaming industries larry flint? or better yet, lets get larry flint on board. sometimes it takes a man with a lot of money and a gold wheelchair to convince the idiots that be that censorship is the opposite of what this country was founded on.
getting rediculous.... but if they want to keep this bullshit up time to be fair and give AO ratings to Gears of War, RE4 and many more games....... then we will maybe get some game lawyers that can do something about the retardedness.... cause apparently take two lawyers can't handle it
Someone should digg this, and the youtube video of the trailer as well. I don't need the ESRB telling me what I can and can't watch - or even suggesting what I should and shouldn't watch.
Basically, it seems to be going down like this - The ESRB can't *make* websites take it down, but they've already managed to censor the internet through Gaming Today who respected the pressured wishes of the devs. The devs are clearly being leaned on and most likely don't want their game threatened so are gonna have to comply. That's my take on the matter.
And I don't like it one fucking bit.
And I don't like it one fucking bit.
Nor do I. I expect some heat to come bioshocks way soon as int he game you can kill children from a story I found recently.
Thomas Paine wouldn't have stood for this bullshit. Nor Ben Franklin.
What we need to do is form an Illumnati/Masonry secret society bent on destroying all censorship of video games.
You know Mark Rein from Epic?
Secret Brotherhood member.
Will Wright?
Same.
David Jaffe?
Yup.
What we need to do is form an Illumnati/Masonry secret society bent on destroying all censorship of video games.
You know Mark Rein from Epic?
Secret Brotherhood member.
Will Wright?
Same.
David Jaffe?
Yup.
You were right Jim, it's about more than Manhunt and it's happening faster then we thought. So, when do we get our decoder rings?
invisible universe: Check the Gamers for Gaming link. It's no secret, but we have our society.
Wolf: I've been worried about Bioshock for a while. I will be crushed, seriously crushed, if a game as complex and dark and deep as Bioshock appears to be gets banned. It will set back the evolution of gaming as a storytelling medium back at LEAST five years.
Wolf: I've been worried about Bioshock for a while. I will be crushed, seriously crushed, if a game as complex and dark and deep as Bioshock appears to be gets banned. It will set back the evolution of gaming as a storytelling medium back at LEAST five years.
I'm just confused on why they decided to pull them now. I can't find a reason to pull trailers on a game this far before the release of the game (Q1 2008) or for that matter at all. Nothing in either of those trailers stood out for being excessively gore from what I can remember. This whole thing seems to be quite a mystery!!
Jim, thanks for the mention. We (Gaming Today) received the request from the devs, as you mentioned, and at their request, we pulled the trailers.
The thing that concerns me about the situation is the slippery slope that you mention. I've always thought that the idea of trailers was to give a good idea of the game content, and given that the ESRB may or may not have rated Dark Sector already (most sites are still listing it as RP), I'm curious as to what their take on the game as a whole is.
If they've rated the game already , and it's not AO, what's the issue with the trailers? Are they more graphic than the game? Or is it just a case of stimulus = response in the wake of the Manhunt 2 craziness?
The thing that concerns me about the situation is the slippery slope that you mention. I've always thought that the idea of trailers was to give a good idea of the game content, and given that the ESRB may or may not have rated Dark Sector already (most sites are still listing it as RP), I'm curious as to what their take on the game as a whole is.
If they've rated the game already , and it's not AO, what's the issue with the trailers? Are they more graphic than the game? Or is it just a case of stimulus = response in the wake of the Manhunt 2 craziness?
Ah, I missed the days when cencorship was almost a waste of time, music was more appreciated, and kids got whipped when they did wrong and nobody cried abuse.
Nowdays we got people sueing over anything under the sun, kids feeling (and almost knowing) they got more power than parents, and things on the internet (what many say is our last "freedom of speech") being banned by something not even remotely as bad as a majority of things on there.
When you really look at the past compared to now, at least with the simple thing as music, games, and movies, it's amazing how much some simple things have changed... for the worse. Now we get trailers banned from EVERYBODY, including adults... sad... really sad.
Nowdays we got people sueing over anything under the sun, kids feeling (and almost knowing) they got more power than parents, and things on the internet (what many say is our last "freedom of speech") being banned by something not even remotely as bad as a majority of things on there.
When you really look at the past compared to now, at least with the simple thing as music, games, and movies, it's amazing how much some simple things have changed... for the worse. Now we get trailers banned from EVERYBODY, including adults... sad... really sad.
And what happened to the whole "enter your birthdate" to view a trailer? Is that little (annoying) process obsolete now so we just remove content on a whim?
RonW: Thank YOU for taking the time to comment here. Listen, we're working on something to try and fight back against the slippery slope, could you email me at jim@destructoid.com so I can have a word with you about what we're up to? I feel you and us are on the right wavelength here.
Am I missing something cause there some videos that I would call a teaser!
http://www.gamevideos.com/video/channel/Trailers
This is something you pull from a site.
http://www.gamevideos.com/video/channel/Trailers
This is something you pull from a site.
I found nothing offensive or excessive in that trailer. In fact the game looks pretty sweet. It's basically GOW without guns, which itself is RE4 without zombies. Actually now that I think about it, this game's gonna suck.
This is crazy, censorship on the internet? Not only is it unheard of, but its also pretty much goes against everything that the internet stands for. I'm confident that there is no way for this to be enforced long term, and that this is just the ESRB using there newly realized power (A power that Manhunt 2 just happened to make them aware of) and that tactics will change to combat them directly.
I think a bigger problem is the fact that in overstepping there bounds they are in turn bringing themselves into a direct collision course with the entire community, but they are more like a canoe vs. an aircraft carrier. When the eventual conflict comes and they are abolished or completely de-ligitimized, we loose a good check against the people that complain about gaming corrupting the youth.
I'm more than a little pissed at Rockstar on top of all this. It looks like Manhunt 2 is going to be another shallow game that is violent for the sake of being violent (Like the first). And its entire press campaign is based around creating insane amounts of negative press. They seem to have done a great job, at the expense of the entire industry. Its almost like Rockstar picked a fight with a cop over something that was so ridiculous that even the people that backed them couldn't agree with what they did.
Its as if they gave the Jack Thompsons of the world the reason they needed
I think a bigger problem is the fact that in overstepping there bounds they are in turn bringing themselves into a direct collision course with the entire community, but they are more like a canoe vs. an aircraft carrier. When the eventual conflict comes and they are abolished or completely de-ligitimized, we loose a good check against the people that complain about gaming corrupting the youth.
I'm more than a little pissed at Rockstar on top of all this. It looks like Manhunt 2 is going to be another shallow game that is violent for the sake of being violent (Like the first). And its entire press campaign is based around creating insane amounts of negative press. They seem to have done a great job, at the expense of the entire industry. Its almost like Rockstar picked a fight with a cop over something that was so ridiculous that even the people that backed them couldn't agree with what they did.
Its as if they gave the Jack Thompsons of the world the reason they needed
The ESRB historically has a pretty lax set of restrictions for game trailers. When I'm cutting a trailer, I always have to ensure that the ESRB rating and content descriptor are clearly visible for at least four seconds, and if the trailer contains any content that could be considered "mature" (blood, violence, drinking, language, nudity, etc.), it has to be placed behind an age gate. I've had trailers sent back for recutting if the age gate wasn't an option and I had to remove a few frames of blood here and there, but to get banned entirely? I'd have to Tyler Durden the whole damn thing.
The ESA doesn't have anything to do with the ESRB, correct? As far as management or anything like that, I mean.
......THIS was censored? God fucking dammit, this is shifting from slippery slope to freefall a lot faster than I thought it would. Nut gud. Nut gud.
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